Confused!

[Rocko1290]

First I want to say that I tried to post this in a different forum but it will only allow me to post in the New Members Forum since I just registered. I also want to say thank you in advance for anyone who helps me out because I'm clearly not up to par on my ecigarette knowledge. I'm very confused about a lot. First off, I always thought there were two types of devices which hold your e-liquid and attach to your battery: cartomizers (which have the container which holds the juice as well as the "vaporizer" which vaporizes the juice, as one inseparable and disposable piece) as well as another type of device (referred to as an atomizer I believe) which consists of a container that holds the juice and also houses a middle piece (which I believed was called an atomizer) that contains a filler material which holds the juice and vaporizes it. In this case, the middle piece is replaceable and cheap. This is what I've been using thus far. However, I have seen constant interuse of the terms, people calling what I believed to be atomizers cartos and vice versa. To make a long story short, I'm confused. I've tried to do some reading, as well as checked out some online Ecig stores as well as actual stores, and the confusion only gets worse. I started off with a pretty basic Joyetech Ego and just today I bought an iTaste MVP (made by Innoken I believe). The manual says it's threaded to fit Ego products. It's variable voltage up to 5v. Basically I have 3 goals here:

1) Find a tank/carto/atomizer (whatever the hell you want to call it) that will give me a thicker, more full flavored vapor. I've sampled juice flavors in stores using the company's tester Ecig and gotten that full flavored thick hit I like so I know its possible.

2) Find a "fillerless" tank. I've heard some talk about new tanks that do not have the polyfil material to house the juice. This is very appealing to me as I don't like the idea of that poisonous plastic polyfil around a heat source that I am inhaling as well as I've heard the tanks without filler work much better, last longer, and give you a thicker fuller vape. Given that my new Ecig is variable voltage, I should be able to be flexible on the resistance of the vaporizer unit I need, but it's my understanding that something in the neighborhood of 2.5ohm will be ideal.

3) Replaceable "vaporizer" units so I don't have to constantly buy more tanks. Unless of course the tanks I end up getting last long enough to negate this requirement.

I'm also interested in what they call a "drip tip"? This sounds appealing to me as I often times end up sucking liquid into my mouth and I'm assuming the point of a drip tip is to prevent this. Obviously I'll have to find out which ones will fit the tanks I choose and what not.

Thanks so much for any assistance, and I apologize for my lack of knowledge. I assure you I've attempted to do research before posting here, but all the jargon and terminology is just beyond my grasp at this time. I really just need to be brought up to speed on some of this stuff. Thanks again for your time.

 

[yzer]

This is a 22 mm XL carto tank from IBTanked on top of my Sigelei Zmax V3 Telescopic flat top.. It's made of borosilicate glass (Pyrex without the brand name). There is a Smoktech XL carto inside which I punched myself.

Carto tanks are one of the more popular atomizer set-ups that deliver excellent vapor.

There are many more choices: clearomizers, RBAs, bare naked cartos, drip attys, ect. It's all about choices and what suits you best.

 

[GranFumador]

Welcome, from another beginner.

Yes, it's confusing. Too much jargon, too many abbreviations, and altogether too much stuff to learn.

1. You did well to get a variable voltage eGo battery. It has two kinds of threads, "510" on the inside, and ego threads on the outside, so you can use all sorts of delivery systems with it.

2. I started with crappier gear, with the polyfil you and I both detest. Reading a lot on here, including the tendency of some liquids to
destroy plastic tanks, I went straight from the cartomizers with the filler to Kanger Protank IIs, which are pyrex glass tanks. They are big,
totally rebuildable (the glass tank, the heating/vaporizing coil, the tip, the top and bottom caps...) This satisfies my desires for flexibility in juices, a full day or more of vaping without refilling, and compatibility with the eGo battery and loads of other batteries with the same threading.

It gives me lots of flavor and as much vapor as I want, and I adjust the voltage to suit the juice and the resistance of the coil in the attomizer.

3. Given the heft of the Protank, I've just ordered, and should have within an hour or so, some Protank Mini's, which are the same basic design, but smaller and lighter weight.

I'll leave the drip tip topic to those who know more.

 

[gerrymi]

This is a 22 mm XL carto tank from IBTanked on top of my Sigelei Zmax V3 Telescopic flat top.. It's made of borosilicate glass (Pyrex without the brand name). There is a Smoktech XL carto inside which I punched myself.

Carto tanks are one of the more popular atomizer set-ups that deliver excellent vapor.

So you have a "tank" with a "carto" inside. You put the e-juice in the "tank". What's the "carto" used for?

 

[Screamin Eagle]

I started out with what they call clearomizers. Mine was an Evod. It was made of plastic which, after starting to make my own juice) I quickly clowded. So I went with a glass "clearo" AnyVape's Mini Davide. These are of a bottom coil design. Which means that the heating coil is at the bottom of the tank and feeds through small wicks into the coil. Then the vapor travels up a tube through the center of the tank.
I've never messed with any of the other equipment so I'm no expert on those. I just know about what I work with.

 

[OlDogNewTricks]

This is a 22 mm XL carto tank from IBTanked on top of my Sigelei Zmax V3 Telescopic flat top.. It's made of borosilicate glass (Pyrex without the brand name). There is a Smoktech XL carto inside which I punched myself.

Carto tanks are one of the more popular atomizer set-ups that deliver excellent vapor.

There are many more choices: clearomizers, RBAs, bare naked cartos, drip attys, ect. It's all about choices and what suits you best.

I whole heartedly second this nicely composed post. I like Boge XL LR cartos, love the IBtanked tank and am more than pleased with the Smok pyrex DCT. The dual coil cartos that they come with are just fine. The polyfill never touches the coil(s) as I understand it. If you use the carto correctly and don't burn it, the fill is uneffected (I took one apart to see). No wierd flavor either.

 

[OlDogNewTricks]

So you have a "tank" with a "carto" inside. You put the e-juice in the "tank". What's the "carto" used for?

The carotmizer (carto) is what vaporizes the liquid. I have a Protank (Kanger) that uses a bottom coil and it is fine, but the quality of the flavor of the cartomizers are better, IMHO.

 

[SirSteve]

Blog by Baditude.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-carto-tank-what-guide-juice-attachments.html

Pretty good guide that has pictures and explains the differences between delivery systems.

 

[hvac999]

Go to http://www.myvaporstore.com/Vision_Spinner_Joye_Ego_C_Twist_Combo_p/vvs-c.htm and select the 1300mah Spinner battery and EVOD cartomizer. This should give you what you are looking for. The EVOD is a small fillerless tank.

 

[yzer]

So you have a "tank" with a "carto" inside. You put the e-juice in the "tank". What's the "carto" used for?

The carto contains the coil and atomizing plumbing. Cartos can be used alone, without a tank. The Smoktech XL single coil cartos I use have a 1.8 ml capacity.

If you punch holes into the carto and and put it inside a carto tank then you greatly increase the amount of time you can go without refilling. Cartos may be purchased pre-punched, too. When I used cartos alone I had to top them off often to prevent burning: like after every 10 minutes of vaping time. The carto tank I use needs refilling once a day. The IBTanked glass tank I pictured holds nearly 5 ml in addition to the 1.8 ml in the carto itself.

Cartos contain a filler material to keep them from spilling liquid. This is called polyfill. The only time I taste polyfill is if the carto has run dry enough to burn the filler or fabric envelope that covers the coil. It is relatively easy to burn a carto that is used alone and without a tank. Carto tanks keep the carto fully saturated, greatly increasing carto taste and lifespan.

In my experience the Smoktech cartos can vaporize about 18-20 ml of liquid before they begin to tighten up and need replacement. That's about once a week for me. So once a week I give the tank a good cleaning and replace the carto.

 

[Rocko1290]

So you can replace the little internal atomizers on this thing? How much are they a piece? And you're saying instead of plastic polyfil, they use pyrex polifil? That solves the problem of toxicity but I was under the impression that the ones that contain no filler whatsoever and just like a coil, are better in the sense that they last longer and give you cleaner, thicker, fuller flavored vape.

Welcome, from another beginner.

Yes, it's confusing. Too much jargon, too many abbreviations, and altogether too much stuff to learn.

1. You did well to get a variable voltage eGo battery. It has two kinds of threads, "510" on the inside, and ego threads on the outside, so you can use all sorts of delivery systems with it.

2. I started with crappier gear, with the polyfil you and I both detest. Reading a lot on here, including the tendency of some liquids to
destroy plastic tanks, I went straight from the cartomizers with the filler to Kanger Protank IIs, which are pyrex glass tanks. They are big,
totally rebuildable (the glass tank, the heating/vaporizing coil, the tip, the top and bottom caps...) This satisfies my desires for flexibility in juices, a full day or more of vaping without refilling, and compatibility with the eGo battery and loads of other batteries with the same threading.

It gives me lots of flavor and as much vapor as I want, and I adjust the voltage to suit the juice and the resistance of the coil in the attomizer.

3. Given the heft of the Protank, I've just ordered, and should have within an hour or so, some Protank Mini's, which are the same basic design, but smaller and lighter weight.

I'll leave the drip tip topic to those who know more.

 

[clowe]

I highly recommend going with a bottom coil tank/atomizer like a Protank which is also glass so you don't have the plastic with a heat source issue. I've been vaping for awhile and still get confused with some of the lingo. My understanding is a "tank" with an atomizer can also be a "clearomizer" depending on the make of the tank. A cartomizer seems to be a different beast that I've been too afraid to figure out. The other thing I am confused about is the dual coil cartomizers/tanks or DCT's. I know I'm not much help but if anyone can explain the whole DCT thing, I think that would be helpful because I've heard these give good vape.

 

[clowe]

I forgot to put - I recommend the bottom coil systems because I've found the flavor and thickness of the vape to be better with them.

 

[GranFumador]

So you can replace the little internal atomizers on this thing? How much are they a piece? And you're saying instead of plastic polyfil, they use pyrex polifil? That solves the problem of toxicity but I was under the impression that the ones that contain no filler whatsoever and just like a coil, are better in the sense that they last longer and give you cleaner, thicker, fuller flavored vape.

Not quite...

The Protank and similar pyrex glass tanks, often called clearomizers, contain no filler. It's just a bottom heating coil inside a glass tank, with a tip on top.

Second, yes, you can replace the attomizer, also called a coil or head. I just received a couple of Kanger Protank Mini pyrex clearomizers in today's mail (Got them from Sweet Vapes, in Wisconsin. Quick delivery.). I filled one with some fine new juice from Juice-e-vapes (intense flavors) and then inserted the coil into the base, screwed the based onto the glass tank, and put the whole thing onto an eGo style battery, a variable voltage Vision Spinner. There is no polyfill. Just wicks that absorb the juice so it can be vaporized by the coil.


When a coil dies of old age or abuse, you just unscrew it and pop a new one in. The go for about $1.25 to $1.45 each, depending on the vendor. You can also learn how to replace the attomizer coil yourself, at a likely cost of about 10 cents in materials. I'm not there yet, but may try it in a month or two.

Now that I've made the main purchases, the batteries, I expect to spend approximately $10 per week. That will be for all the juice I can vape plus one replacement attomizer coil. Not bad, compared to the cost of a carton of cigarettes, plus gasoline to get to the nearest tobacco store...which is about 15 miles each way for me here in the beautiful, serene, boondocks! And the vapor tastes better and doesn't ruin my lungs.

 

[SirSteve]

"CARTOMIZERS or carto's are steel tubes filled with polyfiber that looks like a cigarette filter. A heating coil within this material heats e-liquid into vapor. A small air tube in the center of the filler runs its entire length which directs vapor into a drip tip placed on the end. The drip tip is just the name vapors use for a mouth piece.

Single coil cartomizers have one heating element, dual coil cartomizers have two. Heating coils have a ohm or resistance rating, which determines the amount of energy used to heat e-liquid and turn it into vapor. A drawback to using a cartomizer is being unable to see your juice level. Cartomizers can be used alone, or be used in a cartotank which allows larger quantities of juice. Since these tanks are often clear, you can see the juice level in them."

source: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-carto-tank-what-guide-juice-attachments.html

Read the blog.

 

[Rocko1290]

Not quite...

The Protank and similar pyrex glass tanks, often called clearomizers, contain no filler. It's just a bottom heating coil inside a glass tank, with a tip on top.

Second, yes, you can replace the attomizer, also called a coil or head. I just received a couple of Kanger Protank Mini pyrex clearomizers in today's mail (Got them from Sweet Vapes, in Wisconsin. Quick delivery.). I filled one with some fine new juice from Juice-e-vapes (intense flavors) and then inserted the coil into the base, screwed the based onto the glass tank, and put the whole thing onto an eGo style battery, a variable voltage Vision Spinner. There is no polyfill. Just wicks that absorb the juice so it can be vaporized by the coil.

Good deal, it seems like the Protank is probably my most viable option so far. I did initially use some cartos when I first started vaping called "stardust" I believe which had wicks and they never really worked out well. I remember tasting a funky taste as if the wicks were burning...is that ever an issue with those Protanks? Also, do you think I will be satisfied with the level of vape? I just remember getting such a full-flavor from the ones I sampled, it was just a complete taste, made the juice taste much better than it does in my current ecig. Ever since then I've yearned for that.

How much are the little replacement atomizers?

Also, is there any value the the "dual coil" designs I see around.

 

[Spazmelda]

I never had a stardust, but I believe they are more of a clearo than a cartomizer.

The protanks also use wicks, but the wicks and coils are at the bottom, so they are always covered with liquid, sometimes the protank can give you a bit of a burnt taste if the wicks aren't taking up juice fast enough, but that's fixable. I never never cared for the top coil tanks, because you'd always have to tip them to keep the wicks saturated. I love the protank though. I used cartomizers in carto tanks for the longest, until the reliable bottom coil tanks became popular, then I switched over. The bottom coil tanks are very convenient. For a protank (or evod) you can just replace the head (the part that contains the atomizer or coil) and those run about $6 for a 5 pack.

You can also learn how to dry burn your coils to get more life out of them, and even rebuild them with some silica wick and kanthal (very inexpensive on eBay or various vendor sites). That's a discussion for later though...

 

[GranFumador]

Good deal, it seems like the Protank is probably my most viable option so far. I did initially use some cartos when I first started vaping called "stardust" I believe which had wicks and they never really worked out well. I remember tasting a funky taste as if the wicks were burning...is that ever an issue with those Protanks? Also, do you think I will be satisfied with the level of vape? I just remember getting such a full-flavor from the ones I sampled, it was just a complete taste, made the juice taste much better than it does in my current ecig. Ever since then I've yearned for that.

How much are the little replacement atomizers?

Also, is there any value the the "dual coil" designs I see around.

I'll answer where I think I know something, and leave your other questions for wiser, more experienced folks.

Again, the replacement atomizer coils are a little over a buck apiece. I just got two 5-packs for about $5.40 per pack.

I am very happy with the flavor and vapor quantity I get from the Protank II. Flavor is, of course, subjective. It will depend on all these things:

a) The juice you are vaping
b) The tank/attomizer/cartridge et alia you are using
c) The voltage you are using to vaporize the juice, and
d) most importantly, your own tastebuds.

Some juices seem to like higher voltage. Some coils NEED lower or higher voltage, to create the vapor you like without burning up the coil. There are lots of discussion threads about volts/watts to use for different coil resistance, measured in ohms. I won't repeat all that here, but will note that a variable voltage battery works fine for me with coils rated at 1.8 ohms, 2.2 ohms, and 2.5 ohms, all of which have come with various Protank IIs I've recently purchased.

Burning wicks is only an issue if you vape with little or no juice in the tank. Just don't do that and you are ok.

Dual-coil vs. single? I can't say, as I've gone from cartomizers with filler straight to clear glass tanks without filler. All my tanks are "bcc", or bottom coil clearomizers.

Also, please remember that the Protank II is fairly hefty, as it holds nearly 3ml of juice. I just got the Mini versions, as these weigh quite a bit less—and hold less—for going out of the house. The bigger tank suits me well in front of the computer, while the smaller one, being lighter, is better for trips around the fields or into town.


Oooops! Left out an important detail. When I fill either the Protank II, or the Protank II Mini, I let the juice sit for at least 15 minutes before I vape. This is to let the tiny wick absorb the juice initially, so I don't taste burned coils.

 

[Jmjax13]

There is definitely a steep learning curve with gaping. I started with an ego kit then moved to cargo tanks finally to an RSST. I personally like the flavor and vape of the RSST the best. You need to make your own wick and coil, but with the RSST it is not to hard. You will find what you like and are comfortable with in time...then the fun begins!

 

[Jmjax13]

There is definitely a steep learning curve with vaping. I started with an ego kit then moved to cargo tanks finally to an RSST. I personally like the flavor and vape of the RSST the best. You need to make your own wick and coil, but with the RSST it is not to hard. You will find what you like and are comfortable with in time...then the fun begins!