Considering a 2nd VP

[moorea]

I tried an njoy for a few days and hated it... Got a 510 about a week ago, and it is worlds better. I am thinking about trying a different brand before they are all band and I can no longer get one, but not sure which to try... Any suggestions. Would it make sence to stick with one that has a manual battery or is there a benefit to having an automatic around every now and again. Or maybe should I not waste my time and just concentrate on stocking up on liquids and more extra parts for my 501. My husband and I both have a 501... We currently have between the both of us (6 batteries (one mega from TW), 14 atty's, a handful of carts and one PCC)

 

[TnA]

I tried an NJoy for a few days and hated it... Got a 510 about a week ago, and it is worlds better. I am thinking about trying a different brand before they are all band and I can no longer get one, but not sure which to try... Any suggestions. Would it make sence to stick with one that has a manual battery or is there a benefit to having an automatic around every now and again. Or maybe should I not waste my time and just concentrate on stocking up on liquids and more extra parts for my 501. My husband and I both have a 501... We currently have between the both of us (6 batteries (one mega from TW), 14 atty's, a handful of carts and one PCC)

moorea, if you and your husband are happy with the 510, I really wouldn't see a logical reason for buying any other PVs. However, if there is any specific thing you or your husband wish the 510 would do better, that might be helpful to know before you're mobbed with a bunch of well-intentioned but misleading suggestions.

As for having an automatic battery....everything out there has it's positives and negatives. There are a couple of members who talk about how they like the automatic when they're busy typing (or doing whatever else with their hands) because they can continue to vape away. But then again, an automatic switch will also cause some problems with reliability due to the automatic switch sticking....so....you'll have to decide.

If you decide to just stick with the 510's and just want to stock up for an eventual ban, then I would suggest you consider a battery mod (won't have to worry about stocking up on 510 batteries after that), more atomizers, and more liquid.

 

[Lalesa]

I tried an NJoy for a few days and hated it... Got a 510 about a week ago, and it is worlds better. I am thinking about trying a different brand before they are all band and I can no longer get one, but not sure which to try... Any suggestions. Would it make sence to stick with one that has a manual battery or is there a benefit to having an automatic around every now and again. Or maybe should I not waste my time and just concentrate on stocking up on liquids and more extra parts for my 501. My husband and I both have a 501... We currently have between the both of us (6 batteries (one mega from TW), 14 atty's, a handful of carts and one PCC)

Getting a second PV is purely up to you. I've read posts where some people suggested it in case you couldn't get parts for your regular vape right away, then you had something else to use from a different supplier. Made sense to me so I got the DSE901 because some supplier ALWAYS has parts somewhere. I currently use the VX2 from Litecig the most and I got my 901 from Liberty Flights which I really enjoy a lot also. Then I thought I would try the 510 so I got one of those, then I heard how awesome the M201 was and ... yeah, got one of those too. LOL
As far as manual vs. auto batts. That again is your preference. I personally own both. I really only use the manuals for outside, wind setting them off and all or when I need/want a more powerful hit. I just find the button a pain in the .... and I never drip so that works for me.

I doesn't matter if you buy another PV or just parts for your current PV, you are still kind of stocking up. You'll still have it as a backup or just something to switch off to sometimes. Either way you win IMO.
So good luck with your decision.
(personally, if you have the means, I would try another device just cuz it's fun to try new stuff)

 

[moorea]

So far yes we are happy, but then again without trying something new, who knows maybe we could be happier and not even know it!!! To be honest I am still smoking analogs, but I am down from 2 packs per day to 4 to 6 cigs... So maybe with a different device we could cut down to none. I guess what I am looking for now, for those who are happy with the 510 to share what they feel are good companions to it! Or maybe to find out if others started with the 510 liked it as we did, then tried something different and found it even better then the 510... just looking for others to share their experiences. I see many posters have and use two different devices together and looking for opinions.

I do have a few issues with the 510 (nothing major), but because I am so new to all this, I do not know if they are user error or the fact that I haven't found a juice I love. I have been on the boards and I am testing new ideas and mods to over come some of these issues.... A big issue is consistency... sometimes I take a puff and the flavor and experience is nice others it is not, that is why I am trying different mods.

 

[Wench]

I started out with a 901, then got a 510, then a 801.
My primary is the 510 because I really enjoy it, so far for me it has been the most reliable also.
You could always get another to try , then decide which one you like and then stock parts for your favorite.
It never hurts to have a backup of a different pv just in case something should happen and you can't find your favorite because usually someone will always have at least 1 or the other of them in stock.

 

[JustJulie]

I started with the 510, and even now, six months later, I still use it, although it's no longer my primary device.

There's so much to love about the 510--a sleek design, and it packs a powerful punch for such a small e-cig. But for me, the battery life was way too short. (I was a heavy smoker 2+ packs a day, so it's perhaps not surprising that I'm also a heaver vaper.)

Ultimately, it was the short battery life of the 510 that allowed me to justify trying some other models. But if I'm entirely truthful, I have to admit that I think I'd have wanted to try other models even if I had been 100% satisfied with the 510. It's just the way I am.

ALL e-cigs are a compromise of one sort or another. The really small, cigarette-looking devices tend not to be powerful enough to produce a very satisfying vape and the battery life tends to be shorter. While mods provide more powerful and longer lasting batteries, you generally sacrifice size to get it.

For example, I have a Prodigy. I'm really loving it. But it's big. I mean VERY big. But because I've been vaping awhile and have tried lots of models, I don't really care overly much about the size of the PV . . . I care more about function. For someone just starting to vape, though, the size might be off-putting. The Prodigy is also a device designed for direct dripping, and for me, I've found it operates best without cartridges. That means I spend an awful lot of time opening a bottle of juice and adding a few drops to my atomizer. Again, for me, not a problem . . . for someone else, that might be a deal-breaker.

Then there's my JantyStick. What a sweet device--small and compact, and it feels wonderful in my hand. Battery lasts a good long while, and it does beautifully with cartridges. And while 3.7 volts provides good power, the vape is smooth . . . but sometimes I want something stronger and harsher.

So I guess my point is that there is not really one e-cig that is "perfect" and will suit everybody. So much of it depends on what you're looking for in an e-cig. I think TnA is absolutely correct that you need to think about what it is about the 510 that isn't fully satisfying you, and that will provide you some guidance on what you might be looking for in your next e-cig should you decide you want to try something else.

 

[moorea]

But if I'm entirely truthful, I have to admit that I think I'd have wanted to try other models even if I had been 100% satisfied with the 510. It's just the way I am.

As long as we are being truthful... I'm that way as well, hence the post. I like new toys, so now that I have my 510, what do I try next.

As far as dripping goes... I don't think it is something I would want to hassle with ALL the time, but then again, I haven't been able to drip well with the 510... not sure why. I am only putting 1 or 2 drops in there, and it just doesn't work... As soon as I drip the next several hits are less flavorfull and there is a lot less vapor.... which seems to be the oposite of everyone elses dripping experience. So I have decided if it is not working forme to just pass.

The 510 is usually harsh enough (every now and again I get a dudd drag) But it does not seem to keep the flavor long and I am going through a ton of liquid topping off trying to get those few flavorfull good hits that only seem to happen after I put a few new drops in the cart, and even then I do not always get it. It often tastes either bland or a hint of plastic. I am keeping it well filled (but I do not believe over filled) Hopefully some of the cart mods I want to still try will help.

So maybe I need to look for something that uses less liquid (does this exist) and is more consistent with the delivery of flavor.

 

[moorea]

OK... just looked at my posts title and really wish I could edit it, as I have a typo... I am obviously looking for a new PV not a new VP... (I do own a small business, but I do not have a vice president and I can't have a second if I don't have one!)

 

[Kent C]

If you worry about a ban, then something like a Janty Stick (or look into making a NicoStick) would be good in the sense that it uses batteries that are readily available and cheap. Then stock up on atomizers for the Janty Stick and juice.

As far as auto and manual - if you have the 510, just get some auto batteries for it. Totally Wicked has them. And I'll tell you they work much better than the super mini for some reason. Still have to take it easy on the draw and you still can go into the cutoff but with the flat tip you can vape with no hands.

 

[JustJulie]

Well, since you've basically admitted that you want to try another device "just because" . . .

If you're wondering if the higher voltage devices are for you, you have two relatively inexpensive ways to go.

First, you can make your own mod. While I have absolutely no desire to do so, there are plenty of instructions in the mod subforum, and folks assure me that it is indeed quite simple.

Second, you can order a USB manual passthrough from www.puresmoker.com. The PureSmoker passthrough can be ordered as a 510, 801, or 901 . . . and you can buy adapters. The cost of the passthrough is about $40, and if you buy an adapter, that's another $17. But if you want to simply order it as a 510 model with no other adapters, that's only $40. Well, that plus the cost of your atomizers.

Now, the advantage to the PS passthrough is that it's a heavy-duty device, designed to basically take as much power as is given to it. Thus, it's not like a "regular" usb passthrough battery . . . it mimics a higher power mod given the right power source. (My computer has no trouble giving it lots of power, and likewise I can plug it into an adapter for household current--just make sure the adapter has 5V output.)

I ordered the PS passthrough to give me a taste of what the PS Prodigy might be like. Within a day, I had placed my order for the Prodigy.

The downside is that there's a 2-3 week wait for the PS passthrough, especially for the 510 model. But it's a relative inexpensive way to see if you like vaping at a higher power.

Anyway, just a thought.

 

[moorea]

Wow... lots to think about. I was thinking about maybe the m403 or the Janty Mini Fogger... but after reading more I am worried either would be a disapointment after using the 510 for a week.

The prodigy does look interesting, but I have not read enough about it yet. The Janty Stick looks interesting, but being new at this and still trying REALLY HARD to cut out the analogs I think I am still in a place where I need to reporduce the ritual... The prodigy looks more like it would do so, I am looking at the Janty Stick and can't really invision how it would work... Maybe I need to find a better pic... Is the Janty Stick that much smaller then the prodigy? The photos I am seeingdon't make it look that way.

So does more voltage mean more vapor and more flavor. Is there more upkeep (ie: work, as many have stated this feels more like a hobby then a habbit) with these bigger models or less.

How would you compare your Prodigy to your Janty Stick?

 

[moorea]

OK... so just noticed the comment you made about direct dripping on the prodigy, and yes that might be a deal breaker for me. I find it a pain to top off the carts as it is.

So I guess now I would like to know exactly how you compare the Janty Stick to the 510.

 

[halfevildruid]

see my kits below, i have 4 in my pocket at any given time....

 

[happily]

see my kits below, i have 4 in my pocket at any given time....

not baggin on any of those pv's but if you bought a mod you would free up 3 of those spaces in you're pocket


GO BIG.......IT'S IN THE ONLY NEXT STEP FROM A 510

 

[Kent C]

OK... so just noticed the comment you made about direct dripping on the prodigy, and yes that might be a deal breaker for me. I find it a pain to top off the carts as it is.

So I guess now I would like to know exactly how you compare the Janty Stick to the 510.

I can answer that one ;-) The Janty Stick has an 801 cart and atomizer. The cart on the 801 is almost twice the width of the 510 and twice the length. If you don't like topping off or dripping the 801 would suit you. The Janty STick has a 3.7 volt batt (same as the Screwdriver, I believe). The only thing that the 5/6 volt mods would have on the Janty Stick would be throat hit (ie more vapor and hence more nicotine hit). I'm not a 'throat hit' guy so I don't see myself going to a mod unless it has a built in bottle of juice Some do, btw... but aren't in production.

So anyway the fill up on the Janty Stick would be 1/4 of the times for the 510 - broad generalization - but in experience it seems even better than that. I have about 5 ecigs going for variety. And I rarely refill the JS at my chair more than once a day. The one at the computer maybe twice. The vapor on the JS is enough to choke you at times and while the 510 produces much more vapor than say, a super mini - the JS wins on the vapor war.

The JS drag is easier and cooler than the 510 and it is more like the experience of smoking - inhaling the vapor and exhaling and seeing a pretty good cloud - while the 510 is very close to that. Taste wise, I haven't noticed the difference that some claim. In fact Cappuccino tastes better out of the 510, although still great on the JS.

I really think a 40x or a 4081 for example, would be a mistake at this point. Again, if you want to experience auto - get a 510 auto batt from TW. I like mine for a change. But still opt for the manual.

 

[JustJulie]

Post 123 in this thread will give you a good idea of the relative sizes of the e-cigs we're talking about . . .

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-newbies-pics-most-common-models-here-13.html

The JantyStick is very small. To give you some idea, with the cartridge in the JS and the cartridge in the 510, the 510 is a bit longer. Yes, you read that correctly . . . the 510 is longer than the JantyStick. Now, of course, the JantyStick is wider and thicker--approximate dimensions--1" wide, 1/2 " thick/deep, and about 4" long (with atomizer and cartridge attached).

Personally, I'm quite partial to the JS. I think it's a lovely design. How it compares to the 510? Well, that's hard to say . . . they're just very different devices. When I'm using the 801 atomizer with the JS, I'd say it's a very, very smooth vape, not harsh. However, I have to hold the button down for the full ride to get a strong throat hit. But it uses a cartridge very effectively, and so I'm not messing with liquid nearly as much. Also, the battery lasts for a good, long while . . . 3 hours for me as a heavy vaper, and all day for a lighter vaper.

Honestly, I've been vaping for 6 months (and tobacco-free for as long), and I picked up the JS well into my vaping journey. In other words, I didn't pick it up as a newbie. Consequently, it's hard for me to say how successful I would have been with it had it been one of my first few models. It is very different . . . a small box instead of something that kind of sort of resembles a cigarette or a pen.

As I think you are beginning to see, it's hard for other folks to make recommendations because this is all so subjective. For example, I think my Prodigy provides AMAZING flavor with the 801 atomizer and direct dripping . . . much better than my JantyStick. That being said, I was reading a post from another guy who talked about how his JantyStick provided much better flavor/taste than his Prodigy.

So you do your research and then you make the leap.

 

[JustJulie]

Wow... lots to think about. I was thinking about maybe the m403 or the Janty Mini Fogger... but after reading more I am worried either would be a disapointment after using the 510 for a week.

Oh, no . . . I absolutely would not be looking at either of those models after a 510. I wouldn't go so far as to say they'd be a disappointment, but I don't think they're necessarily what you're looking for.

 

[moorea]

WOw thanks for the link to the pics... that really helped a bunch. The prodigy just looks really big and constant dripping kindof rules it out.

I understand that all of this is subjective, but all of your subjective points of view have helped.

So the Janty Stick is on the top of the list but after looking at the photo you linked to the screwdriver has become an interesting choice as well. Would anyone like throw in their opinion with comparisons of the screwdriver and the Janty Stick or Screwdriver and 510.

Thanks for ALL your input.

 

[JustJulie]

WOw thanks for the link to the pics... that really helped a bunch. The prodigy just looks really big and constant dripping kindof rules it out.

I understand that all of this is subjective, but all of your subjective points of view have helped.

So the Janty Stick is on the top of the list but after looking at the photo you linked to the screwdriver has become an interesting choice as well. Would anyone like throw in their opinion with comparisons of the screwdriver and the Janty Stick or Screwdriver and 510.

Thanks for ALL your input.

Boy, you're making me work this evening!

I have a Screwdriver as well. If you're not careful, you'll wind up like me . . . with lots of different devices.

I like the Screwdriver. I like it a lot. It's not nearly as big as what people think (which I think you can see in the photo I linked to), and you can vape quite discretely with it. It uses a 901 atomizer, an atomizer widely considered to be pretty durable and quite flavorful.

What I personally don't care as much for with the SD is the fact that I have to top off the cartridge fairly frequently . . . 901s aren't noted for having a particularly long cartridge life. I'm also not wild about the button placement. When I carry it about with me, I have to loosen the atomizer to make sure that if the button gets accidentally depressed, the atomizer won't engage. I also don't like how the button sticks out like that. I dropped my SD, and the button broke off. It's not terribly difficult to fix, from what I understand, but since it still works, I haven't bothered. But the placement of the button makes it pretty likely you'll break the button if you drop it on a hard floor.

How the SD compares to the JS is a tougher call. The default atomizers are different--801 for the JS and a 901 for the SD. I do often use a 901 adapter in my JS, and when I do, I'd say the vaping experience is fairly comparable between the two. With the 801 atomizer in the JS, though, it's very different . . . much longer vaping time with the 801 cartridge in the JS as opposed to the 901 in the SD (longer vaping time in terms of how long you can go without topping off the cartridge--not battery life). . . but I think the SD packs more of a punch than the JS when the JS is operating with an 801 atomizer.

Personally, I like the feel of the JS more than the SD . . . the JS just feels perfect in my palm. However, despite the potential for the button on the SD breaking if you're not careful, I think the SD is a more durable, substantial device. It's metal, and the JS is plastic.

The JS is cheaper than the SD.

I love how the JS has the ability to charge its battery via the USB cable while you're using it . . . basically, it's a built-in passthrough battery. I also like how versatile it is, how you can use different atomizers (with the purchase of an adapter, of course).

I think if I had to choose amongst the JantyStick, the Screwdriver, and the 510, it'd be the JantyStick. But that's me.

 

[Kent C]

WOw thanks for the link to the pics... that really helped a bunch. The prodigy just looks really big and constant dripping kindof rules it out.

I understand that all of this is subjective, but all of your subjective points of view have helped.

So the Janty Stick is on the top of the list but after looking at the photo you linked to the screwdriver has become an interesting choice as well. Would anyone like throw in their opinion with comparisons of the screwdriver and the Janty Stick or Screwdriver and 510.

Thanks for ALL your input.

JS vs. SD. Don't have the Screwdriver but there's many threads on it and comparison, videos, etc. Basically the difference is the SD is 'in line' battery where the JS is side by side making JS wider but shorter, than the SD. SD is 99.99 pound sterling with an exchange rate, last I looked of 1.65 - so $165 vs. $79.99 for the JS. Shipping would be longer and more expensive from England but pretty sure Totally Wicked US sells them**. Same voltage battery (or close - last I knew). The JS has a charger cable that can double as a passthrough. Button on the SD is on the far end... on the JS on the bottom. (or top). When on the bottom it's in a good position for the thumb.

** Checked TW and they had them on sale for $127 regular $159 but are sold out in both black and silver minis - which would be a smaller cartridge.