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so how does this disqualify laura???? she posted 30 minutes before her turning and shortly after ......
It doesn't.
That's been my point all along. Laura qualifies under both the "old" (whatever they are) and the new rules.
Period.
We don't need J0ker to get involved in the minutiae--he's said many times that he has no time to deal with that. The PVT members, not jj, decide who qualifies and who doesn't.
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See ETA I made. Moderator, who ever it maybe, I would like the post where I stated the rules to be the last. So would you please clear post until it is.
Tweety I had to take some time and calm down again before responding to you. First you should know that it's breaking my heart that you are so unhappy.
One other thing jOker said when we put the contest together---there would be no changes.
When you all tried to do it the first time, he said no changes.
So what was set at the beginning is still in effect until I'm told otherwise.
I would love to change Laura just for you but if I did this then I'd have to do it for everyone who asked.
From now on I will PM them and make it clear what they need to do. This PM will let them know that it's me making the decision and if they are unhappy then they will blame me.
All you need to do is go have fun and celebrate with them and forget this contest.
One other thing jOker said when we put the contest together---there would be no changes.
When you all tried to do it the first time, he said no changes.
So what was set at the beginning is still in effect until I'm told otherwise.
I would love to change Laura just for you but if I did this then I'd have to do it for everyone who asked.
From now on I will PM them and make it clear what they need to do. This PM will let them know that it's me making the decision and if they are unhappy then they will blame me.
All you need to do is go have fun and celebrate with them and forget this contest.
Okay this is what I got right now. I may tweak it a bit but basically it will remain the same.
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PreVet is there for you to celebrate your day and they may have some things they would like you to do. Id advise you to show up a bit early and find out what they are if you dont already know.
The Welcome Thread ties PreVet to the contest because it gets you an automatic entry. However the PreVet committee members do not determine if you are eligible for that special Grand Prize on Jan. 1, 2013. For this you must post at least once during the last five minutes of the countdown and the deadline for this post is twenty-four minutes passed the hour.
Please don't wait until the very last second because once you wear the ECF Veteran title, it is too late.
Im also sorry to inform you that if you have prearranged the time of your turning, you are not eligible for the one prize. Just keep in mind, you are still eligible for that monthly prizes and hopefully there will be more than one grand prize.: )
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I asked a moderator to come in and remove some of the post. Whoever does this, would you please leave this one.
Thank you.
Also I must apologize for some confusion I have caused here. I did state that I would except a post at twenty-five past. I meant twenty-four because at twenty-five past they are a veteran and it's too late.
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PreVet is there for you to celebrate your day and they may have some things they would like you to do. Id advise you to show up a bit early and find out what they are if you dont already know.
The Welcome Thread ties PreVet to the contest because it gets you an automatic entry. However the PreVet committee members do not determine if you are eligible for that special Grand Prize on Jan. 1, 2013. For this you must post at least once during the last five minutes of the countdown and the deadline for this post is twenty-four minutes passed the hour.
Please don't wait until the very last second because once you wear the ECF Veteran title, it is too late.
Im also sorry to inform you that if you have prearranged the time of your turning, you are not eligible for the one prize. Just keep in mind, you are still eligible for that monthly prizes and hopefully there will be more than one grand prize.: )
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I asked a moderator to come in and remove some of the post. Whoever does this, would you please leave this one.
Thank you.
Also I must apologize for some confusion I have caused here. I did state that I would except a post at twenty-five past. I meant twenty-four because at twenty-five past they are a veteran and it's too late.
Okay this is what I got right now. I may tweak it a bit but basically it will remain the same.
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PreVet is there for you to celebrate your day and they may have some things they would like you to do. I’d advise you to show up a bit early and find out what they are if you don’t already know.
The Welcome Thread ties PreVet to the contest because it gets you an automatic entry. However the PreVet committee members do not determine if you are eligible for that special Grand Prize on Jan. 1, 2013. For this you must post at least once during the last five minutes of the countdown and the deadline for this post is twenty-four minutes passed the hour.
Please don't wait until the very last second because once you wear the ECF Veteran title, it is too late.
I’m also sorry to inform you that if you have prearranged the time of your turning, you are not eligible for the one prize. Just keep in mind, you are still eligible for that monthly prizes and hopefully there will be more than one grand prize.: )
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I asked a moderator to come in and remove some of the post. Whoever does this, would you please leave this one.
Thank you.
Also I must apologize for some confusion I have caused here. I did state that I would except a post at twenty-five past. I meant twenty-four because at twenty-five past they are a veteran and it's too late.
FYI, we just lost a committee member over all this JJ and 3 more that are borderline leaving Pre-vets,(no doubt the rest will follow) Nobody holds this working machine together like we do, you want to sit back and tweek the rules & not participate but take the glory & boss people around in an abrasive manner, well that's not how Pre-vets wants to work. I guess alot is going to depend on what J0ker says to all of this, But I ask you, what happens if you have no Pre-vets parties to have a contest for??? What then??? Is this how you are "ascending to a higher Plane???"...Just saying
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QUOTE=j0ker;6426588] (...)
My Thought:
Ok, let me make this as clear as I possibly can. I have nothing at all to do with the rules of the contest when it applies to the veterans portion.
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Anything beyond these rules are not my responsibility. The whole agreement in the beginning of this contest was that I would assist in constructing the contest and administer the contest. I've left the eligibility requirements and enforcement of eligibility in the hands of those who run this section.
Too explain a little further, I only partially understand the requirements but I find them somewhat confusing. I've found in my experience that a confusing contest (or anything for that matter) will cause people to lose interest quite quickly. So my plan for 2013 is to make things a lot less stringent and in turn make the contest more fun, that is if there is a 2013 Vet contest. If we are unable to come to a smoother process, then I may choose to not be involved next year and either the contest will be abandoned or conducted outside the ECF Official Contest thread. I hope we can make this work, rather than abandon.
So in conclusion, I don't like rules being changed midstream but I feel an exception is warranted in this situation. So come up with the changes you feel are required and then we'll go from there.....[/QUOTE]
[emphasis mine]
It's clear as a bell to me the above from J0ker. The new rules we worked so hard to bring together should now apply, all we are lacking is someone to go in and modify the corrections in the Veterans forum titles to qualify the members for the contests per new rules.
**I move that JJ either adheres to the rules WE have devised, or be removed from her responsibilities of this group altogether.
Thank-you
My Thought:
Ok, let me make this as clear as I possibly can. I have nothing at all to do with the rules of the contest when it applies to the veterans portion.
Excerpt:
Anything beyond these rules are not my responsibility. The whole agreement in the beginning of this contest was that I would assist in constructing the contest and administer the contest. I've left the eligibility requirements and enforcement of eligibility in the hands of those who run this section.
Too explain a little further, I only partially understand the requirements but I find them somewhat confusing. I've found in my experience that a confusing contest (or anything for that matter) will cause people to lose interest quite quickly. So my plan for 2013 is to make things a lot less stringent and in turn make the contest more fun, that is if there is a 2013 Vet contest. If we are unable to come to a smoother process, then I may choose to not be involved next year and either the contest will be abandoned or conducted outside the ECF Official Contest thread. I hope we can make this work, rather than abandon.
So in conclusion, I don't like rules being changed midstream but I feel an exception is warranted in this situation. So come up with the changes you feel are required and then we'll go from there.....[/QUOTE]
[emphasis mine]
It's clear as a bell to me the above from J0ker. The new rules we worked so hard to bring together should now apply, all we are lacking is someone to go in and modify the corrections in the Veterans forum titles to qualify the members for the contests per new rules.
**I move that JJ either adheres to the rules WE have devised, or be removed from her responsibilities of this group altogether.
Thank-you
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Your wrong that is not all we have to do...we do MUCH more than that, the contests certainly makes it ALOT more than that, you certainly know how to simplify things when it suits you.
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JJ, what you have written is not consistent with what has been applied throughout the year. There is no automatic entry. A person must deliberately enter by posting their thread in the contest.
A person could be on the thread, and not be able to get a post in at 24 past the hour. I also don't think this is consistent with what has been applied through the year.
I would request that none of the guidelines that are currently posted be changed until we hear back from j0ker. If he accepts the current recommendations, then the timing of the posts is not important for the grand prize drawing.
Everyone, if there is a bonus drawing that is tied to the moment a person turns vet, this issue will continue to arise. As we started this conversation (again), i advocated that contest eligibility not be tied to participation in an avatar party. But worked with all y'all to try to come up with some guidelines that would make sense for a 'bonus' drawing. I no longer support the idea of a bonus drawing or having any aspect of the contest being tied to participation in a avatar party. I still support the other recommendations and guidelines we developed, and hope that j0ker accepts them.
It is clear that it isn't possible to make or consistently apply any rules that relate to attendance at a specific time on a fast moving thread. I hope that j0ker accepts the recommendations that all vet-started welcome threads be eligible for both the monthly and grand prize drawings , but I don't think even a bonus drawing based on attendance and timing is possible. So in that sense I'm glad that it's taken this long to have our recommendations reviewed. If we keep any timing requirements it is clear that this will happen over and over and over.
I too am hanging on by a thread. Having things blow up again is untenable. At this point, I don't care who did what to whom when. I do care that people are getting hurt and angry and unable to work together. We're losing people, again. There aren't many willing to keep the list, we've had others drop out due to the complexity of the contest, and the lack of clarity about who is 'in charge'. Losing people to confusion and infighting hurts all of us.
This whole thing is a pretty impressive undertaking, and incredibly special. I want to get back to that. As do we all. Tying in avi parties to any aspect of contest eligibility isn't working. The lack of clarity over who sets the guidelines isn't working. Hurting each other and rehashing old arguments isn't working.
A person could be on the thread, and not be able to get a post in at 24 past the hour. I also don't think this is consistent with what has been applied through the year.
I would request that none of the guidelines that are currently posted be changed until we hear back from j0ker. If he accepts the current recommendations, then the timing of the posts is not important for the grand prize drawing.
Everyone, if there is a bonus drawing that is tied to the moment a person turns vet, this issue will continue to arise. As we started this conversation (again), i advocated that contest eligibility not be tied to participation in an avatar party. But worked with all y'all to try to come up with some guidelines that would make sense for a 'bonus' drawing. I no longer support the idea of a bonus drawing or having any aspect of the contest being tied to participation in a avatar party. I still support the other recommendations and guidelines we developed, and hope that j0ker accepts them.
It is clear that it isn't possible to make or consistently apply any rules that relate to attendance at a specific time on a fast moving thread. I hope that j0ker accepts the recommendations that all vet-started welcome threads be eligible for both the monthly and grand prize drawings , but I don't think even a bonus drawing based on attendance and timing is possible. So in that sense I'm glad that it's taken this long to have our recommendations reviewed. If we keep any timing requirements it is clear that this will happen over and over and over.
I too am hanging on by a thread. Having things blow up again is untenable. At this point, I don't care who did what to whom when. I do care that people are getting hurt and angry and unable to work together. We're losing people, again. There aren't many willing to keep the list, we've had others drop out due to the complexity of the contest, and the lack of clarity about who is 'in charge'. Losing people to confusion and infighting hurts all of us.
This whole thing is a pretty impressive undertaking, and incredibly special. I want to get back to that. As do we all. Tying in avi parties to any aspect of contest eligibility isn't working. The lack of clarity over who sets the guidelines isn't working. Hurting each other and rehashing old arguments isn't working.
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^^^ This.
Don't change anything until we know what j0ker says. This is vital.
We spent a long time just formulating a response to the "new way" and wording it. Let's not just start throwing text changes around and then (possibly) change them again for the New Way. It's too confusing for everyone.
We've been through the timing thing in our previous discussions. We've moved the same/similar set of issues to the bonus contest (except that they can reschedule the new way). However, timing issues will arise because, like CES said, timing is involved.
I'd rather see the hate speech reduced during the discussions. This is worse than politics.
Don't change anything until we know what j0ker says. This is vital.
We spent a long time just formulating a response to the "new way" and wording it. Let's not just start throwing text changes around and then (possibly) change them again for the New Way. It's too confusing for everyone.
We've been through the timing thing in our previous discussions. We've moved the same/similar set of issues to the bonus contest (except that they can reschedule the new way). However, timing issues will arise because, like CES said, timing is involved.
I'd rather see the hate speech reduced during the discussions. This is worse than politics.
I will agree that a big part of this is the fighting. And on my part that is from being badgered in the past. More so because of the stuff that has gone on recently: Comments on the open forum and that PM I got through FB.
I will make this a compromise and my part, if you will just take my decision (which is what I said that I would do if it WAS JUST up to me), is go with the changes.
Your part of the compromise is to act in a civil manner everywhere on ECF. The main two people that I want to agree to this is Whiskey and Tib.
Otherwise it's down to I will give if you give and if this is impossible for anyone, or if the compromise is broken, then I will make these suggest to jOker because it's up to him and me to what part PreVet actually plays in the contest.
He goes with what he suggested. People enter the month they turn and making an exception for all those who missed the opportunity.
That one special prize is given away now to end PreVet's celebration connection to it.
Just as a reminder.
Posted by Atty.
{The contest restrictions are up to you and j0ker. Not us. You can make it as open as you want, regardless of what we say here. We're only commenting on our pre-vet process. You don't have to tie the contest to the pre-vet celebrations at all. This is to keep your options very open, and is intended to help you.}
I will make this a compromise and my part, if you will just take my decision (which is what I said that I would do if it WAS JUST up to me), is go with the changes.
Your part of the compromise is to act in a civil manner everywhere on ECF. The main two people that I want to agree to this is Whiskey and Tib.
Otherwise it's down to I will give if you give and if this is impossible for anyone, or if the compromise is broken, then I will make these suggest to jOker because it's up to him and me to what part PreVet actually plays in the contest.
He goes with what he suggested. People enter the month they turn and making an exception for all those who missed the opportunity.
That one special prize is given away now to end PreVet's celebration connection to it.
Just as a reminder.
Posted by Atty.
{The contest restrictions are up to you and j0ker. Not us. You can make it as open as you want, regardless of what we say here. We're only commenting on our pre-vet process. You don't have to tie the contest to the pre-vet celebrations at all. This is to keep your options very open, and is intended to help you.}
To clarify if this is agreed upon. Your changes will go back to when they were submitted to jOker. All of you will make the decision on who is in and who is out except for those who open their own thread.
Yes Laura will be changed, as you want.
Yes Laura will be changed, as you want.
Sorry if I am understanding this wrong, JJ...but the way you have it worded it sounds like if you get ruffled by anything in the future once we have agreed to the above, that you will suggest to J0ker to go back to the old rules...I MUST be reading that wrong??? Its sounding like your giving us no choices & an ultimatum.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
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It will never go back to the old rules. Even if I think this compromise has been broken, I will discuss it with a moderator (preferably jOker or Classy) and if they agree, it will then convert to........
Going with what jOker's suggested: People enter the contest the month that they turn and making an exception for all those who missed the opportunity.
That one special prize will be given away at that time and will end PreVet's celebrations connection to the contest.
Going with what jOker's suggested: People enter the contest the month that they turn and making an exception for all those who missed the opportunity.
That one special prize will be given away at that time and will end PreVet's celebrations connection to the contest.
Then I will have to wait to see what the other committee members think about your proposition before I agree to this, it still has a feel like we are being held hostage in a way by you alone, that's just how I feel, I will wait for others to see what they get out of it first and comment...sorry
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