That was very helpful. Thank you. Listening to my body is something I understand. But throw math at me and my head starts to swim. ha ha
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I've been smoke free for 17 years as of April 4th. I loved to smoke but quit because they were so bad for me. Imagine my surprise when I found out that you can get the real thing without all the crap! So I tried out the e-cigar and have loved every puff! Yes, I'm going back and very excited about it too. I've been looking at sites and watching lots of videos and just learning so much about how everything works while I'm waiting for my pen style e-cig to arrive.
I've been smoke free for 17 years as of April 4th. I loved to smoke but quit because they were so bad for me. Imagine my surprise when I found out that you can get the real thing without all the crap! So I tried out the e-cigar and have loved every puff! Yes, I'm going back and very excited about it too. I've been looking at sites and watching lots of videos and just learning so much about how everything works while I'm waiting for my pen style e-cig to arrive.
It's almost a given that these things are better for us than analogs, i would bet every penny, plus my life on this fact (i already am hehe). Early tests are looking like this is going to be proven.
I don't for one minute think that these are going to be 100% safe just a hell of a lot safer than normal ciggys. The nicotine like any drug has it pro's and cons alone and that includes the patches.
I think these are an awesome thing for somebody that smoke analogs already but i can't understand why anybody that's bee smoke free for 17 years would want to start these. What happens if they did get banned would you then start smoking analogs? Or do you think you could stop again? Did you find it easy the first time when you quit?
Im have no intention of telling you what to do mate, i will say be careful though and have a good think before you reignite your nicotine addiction.
I am sure once we have been addicted to something in the past it takes a lot less time to get re-addicted when our brains remember being addicted in the past. It wont take as long to get addicted to nic this time around as it did the first.
It's your choice but make sure you are making the right one for yourself mate.
Of course all this does not apply if you are smoking the nicotine free ones haha. Still may be some slight issues if you do it heavy but nobody really knows yet.
All the best Lee.
Sorry if this thread was on it's way out but have been using my e-cig for a few days and after looking at the math threads and doing some of my own research what I ended up doing was going with 6mg (I just wish I didn't spend so much money experimenting on different strengths now that I know lol). I smoked Pall Mall Light 100s which contain 0.8 mg/nic per smoke. Since I seem to be getting more nic from e-cigs I decided that going under would balance out. I smoked a lot in that I went through a lot of cigarettes in a day but I never really smoked an entire cig. Usually either burnt out when I got caught up in something or I'd snuff it early.
I've noticed with the 6mg I can just puff away all day (as others seem to do) but even the 11mg strength were getting me light headed and I tried 18mg and couldn't stand more than 1 or 2 puffs.
I'm also thinking of getting some 0 nic juice to see if I'm even addicted to nicotine or not. I have an hour commute home from work every day and where I would usually have 3-4 cigs between my job and my house I barely had a few puffs on my e-cig the last 2-3 blocks before I got home today.
I've noticed with the 6mg I can just puff away all day (as others seem to do) but even the 11mg strength were getting me light headed and I tried 18mg and couldn't stand more than 1 or 2 puffs.
I'm also thinking of getting some 0 nic juice to see if I'm even addicted to nicotine or not. I have an hour commute home from work every day and where I would usually have 3-4 cigs between my job and my house I barely had a few puffs on my e-cig the last 2-3 blocks before I got home today.
I actually started smoking e-cigs with the intention of quitting analogs full stop.
My first e-liquid was 24 and it was too strong for me to smoke all day and that's what i wanted to do, so i started going down in strength to find the correct one for me.
After a whilst i got some 36 TW marlboro with the intention of cutting but found quickly that i smoke this neat and do not need to cut it, the only difference is that it cut's my craving 100% and i find im having a puff less frquently, maybe one - three puffs every half hour.
For me i found once i got my stronger juice i was not using my device every 5 minutes like i was and getting OD on nic.
I think it's because of the way my brain works and wanted a quick hit like a cigarette that gave it everything it needed in a few puffs and just did not want to be vaoeing non-stop like a chimney all day.
I was smoking 25ish analogs a day and have found that 36mg juice settles my craving a hell of a lot better than all the other juices and i just vape a lot lot less than the others.
Maybe the fact it's the closest thing i ever vapped to a cigarette in taste too that it works so well.
I may buy lower strength fruity juices but i will continue to buy one Super Strength Tobaco flavoured juice as this is the only one that stops me wanting an analog.
Hope this makes sense, since i got that juice i am not vapeing non stop all day and getting any sort of headache or OD and it's stopping my craveing 100%
Cheers Lee.
My first e-liquid was 24 and it was too strong for me to smoke all day and that's what i wanted to do, so i started going down in strength to find the correct one for me.
After a whilst i got some 36 TW marlboro with the intention of cutting but found quickly that i smoke this neat and do not need to cut it, the only difference is that it cut's my craving 100% and i find im having a puff less frquently, maybe one - three puffs every half hour.
For me i found once i got my stronger juice i was not using my device every 5 minutes like i was and getting OD on nic.
I think it's because of the way my brain works and wanted a quick hit like a cigarette that gave it everything it needed in a few puffs and just did not want to be vaoeing non-stop like a chimney all day.
I was smoking 25ish analogs a day and have found that 36mg juice settles my craving a hell of a lot better than all the other juices and i just vape a lot lot less than the others.
Maybe the fact it's the closest thing i ever vapped to a cigarette in taste too that it works so well.
I may buy lower strength fruity juices but i will continue to buy one Super Strength Tobaco flavoured juice as this is the only one that stops me wanting an analog.
Hope this makes sense, since i got that juice i am not vapeing non stop all day and getting any sort of headache or OD and it's stopping my craveing 100%
Cheers Lee.
Lee,
That is pretty much how I do it as well now.
I have 24mg TW juice I cut to 12Mg and flavour for day to day usage.
But I also keep a bottle of the neat 24mg TW for the times I WANT a proper ciggie.
I do find as well that with hight strength you get more and tend to slow down your vaping. If I try to vape 24mg like I do 12mg, then I feel sick in the stomach..
Hopefully this thread will develop to help newbies.
From this we are learning that it is probably best to start low mg as you get used to the ecig and puff like a steam train all week trying to work it out. Then as you become experienced after a few weeks, move to a higher strength to suit your body.
That is pretty much how I do it as well now.
I have 24mg TW juice I cut to 12Mg and flavour for day to day usage.
But I also keep a bottle of the neat 24mg TW for the times I WANT a proper ciggie.
I do find as well that with hight strength you get more and tend to slow down your vaping. If I try to vape 24mg like I do 12mg, then I feel sick in the stomach..
Hopefully this thread will develop to help newbies.
From this we are learning that it is probably best to start low mg as you get used to the ecig and puff like a steam train all week trying to work it out. Then as you become experienced after a few weeks, move to a higher strength to suit your body.
Agreed, in fact if i would advice anybody just starting out who plans to quite analogs totally and smoked over 20 a day to get a couple of bottles of different strength.
1 Bottle of 18 or less something fruity maybe, and one bottle of strong 24 or 36 maybe cigarette flavoured.
The idea being when it's a novelty and you have just got it you can smoke the lower juice as you are likely to keep picking it up and won't want to put it down hehe (at least i did).
Then when you stop analogs, i did it over the course of about a week, you can use the stronger ciggy flavoured one when you actually get a strong craving.
This may not work for you but it did for me. Even though my siggy says smoke free for all that time i was smoking one or 2 ciggys a day for a lot of that time, it was strange how i needed just that 1 but i did, that 1 ciggy was enough though for the day with my e-cig aswell.
I have been totally analog free for a week now since i got my Super Strength TW Marlboro, and i am sure i will never go back to smoking an analog unless i am forced to by having some sort of issue with e-cig supply.
Cheers Lee.
P.S I am sure everybody is different and you may do it differently to me, i am just saying this is how i did it and it worked well for me!
This is quite an interesting thread. I have to agree with Boomer, you're best bet is to listen to your body.
Like Boomer, when I first got mine about a month ago (heck, even still) I was a vaping freak. Just the novelty of it alone would keep me vaping. I had bought some 16 mg juice and after 25 years of smoking, actually copped a buzz. I was amazed at that. However, didn't like the feeling of being buzzed all the time, so bought some glycerine to cut and get more vapor.
I think it's worth mentioning that is isn't just how many analogs you smoked a day, but also, what kind. 20 Camels compared to 20 Ultra lights are NOT the same.
Pooch Smooches~
Patti
Like Boomer, when I first got mine about a month ago (heck, even still) I was a vaping freak. Just the novelty of it alone would keep me vaping. I had bought some 16 mg juice and after 25 years of smoking, actually copped a buzz. I was amazed at that. However, didn't like the feeling of being buzzed all the time, so bought some glycerine to cut and get more vapor.
I think it's worth mentioning that is isn't just how many analogs you smoked a day, but also, what kind. 20 Camels compared to 20 Ultra lights are NOT the same.
Pooch Smooches~
Patti
I think it's worth mentioning that is isn't just how many analogs you smoked a day, but also, what kind. 20 Camels compared to 20 Ultra lights are NOT the same.
Pooch Smooches~
Patti
True, and also how you smoked them! If you watch somebody that smokes say "parsley" they are more likely to take a deep drag on a ... right down deep into their lungs and hold it in for a couple of seconds before exhaling.
I have seen other smokers taking tiny little puffs and blowing it straight out.
And a lot of other smokers somewhere in between the two hehe.
Now even if these smokers were smoking even the same brand i am sure they would be getting vastly different amounts of nicotine and all the other crap into there system.
Lee.
Exactly! That's why tobacco companies aren't allowed to put words like "lights" on the packs any more. The figures on the side of the packet are meaningless.
Hi,
Thanks, this post was very helpful to me. I, too, smoke about 25 analogs, and ordered 901, with 36 mg, as I seriously (after 35 yrs of smoking and 4 of coughing) want to quit. Your posts have been very helpful in what to expect. Also, I do plan to listen to my body and vap for the nicotine fix, to get me off these regular cigs, which will kill me if I keep it up. I think I will order some lower mg. liquid, and carts. This way I will be ready. Thanks to all who posted here, I'm greatly encouraged that I can, and will get off analogs (finally) thanks
Thanks, this post was very helpful to me. I, too, smoke about 25 analogs, and ordered 901, with 36 mg, as I seriously (after 35 yrs of smoking and 4 of coughing) want to quit. Your posts have been very helpful in what to expect. Also, I do plan to listen to my body and vap for the nicotine fix, to get me off these regular cigs, which will kill me if I keep it up. I think I will order some lower mg. liquid, and carts. This way I will be ready. Thanks to all who posted here, I'm greatly encouraged that I can, and will get off analogs (finally) thanks
Good way of saying these things Boomer, thanks
Only point I would like to make on it: your 'low' (18 mg or less) sticks out a bit if you look at what is sold as 'medium': that's 11 or sometimes 14; so lower then your 'low 18', lol. Perhaps say 11 (even 6 or 8 for the ultra-light smokers ) with a bottle of 18 for when a peak is needed, would allready suffice for many? (I know it did for me, while I did smoke 2-3 packs a day, and not light cigs either - not that all will be like me, but surely part are... and it would be a shame if we sent those into starting higher then they really would need?)
Only point I would like to make on it: your 'low' (18 mg or less) sticks out a bit if you look at what is sold as 'medium': that's 11 or sometimes 14; so lower then your 'low 18', lol. Perhaps say 11 (even 6 or 8 for the ultra-light smokers ) with a bottle of 18 for when a peak is needed, would allready suffice for many? (I know it did for me, while I did smoke 2-3 packs a day, and not light cigs either - not that all will be like me, but surely part are... and it would be a shame if we sent those into starting higher then they really would need?)
Yeah i know what you mean, but the way it works for me is that when i was having the lower juice i kept picking it up every 5 mins hehe.
Now i have the stronger juice i only take 2 or 3 puffs and less often, in some ways it's not as much fun as i vape less lol but my brain is not saying pick it up pick it up.
So i think you will know when you have had enough with a normal e-cig but you do have to listen to your own body.
I know when i first got my e-cig, there were times when i was not craving or did not even need nicotine but i kept on vapeing because it was fun like a new toy lol. Thats why i think when you first get it make sure you have some real low juice to what you think you need as you will keep putting it in your mouth every 5 mins lol
Some people may have more will power to leave the thing alone... i did not hehe
All good points, i think this thread Catanonia started has become a really good thread for noobs to e-cigs!
It can be a little daunting at first, but for anybody starting just feel your way into it you will be fine
Cheers Lee.
Now i have the stronger juice i only take 2 or 3 puffs and less often, in some ways it's not as much fun as i vape less lol but my brain is not saying pick it up pick it up.
So i think you will know when you have had enough with a normal e-cig but you do have to listen to your own body.
I know when i first got my e-cig, there were times when i was not craving or did not even need nicotine but i kept on vapeing because it was fun like a new toy lol. Thats why i think when you first get it make sure you have some real low juice to what you think you need as you will keep putting it in your mouth every 5 mins lol
Some people may have more will power to leave the thing alone... i did not hehe
All good points, i think this thread Catanonia started has become a really good thread for noobs to e-cigs!
It can be a little daunting at first, but for anybody starting just feel your way into it you will be fine
Cheers Lee.
Oh and Katink you are correct on that aswell... One companys medium is another companys high etc.
So when you do find a juice that suits you, look at the MG content and use that when you order your liquids.
Obvious to people who have been doing it a whilst but a total noobie might think medium is medium and high is high when sometimes it is not just to confuse you hehe
Lee.
So when you do find a juice that suits you, look at the MG content and use that when you order your liquids.
Obvious to people who have been doing it a whilst but a total noobie might think medium is medium and high is high when sometimes it is not just to confuse you hehe
Lee.
Hello, I'm new to the forum and the whole E-cig thing. I've still yet to receive my kits from my place of order, so I haven't had the chance to experience the vaporizing excitement.
Anyhow, I'm reading some of these calculations...and I'm getting quite confused. I've ordered 36mg DIY liquid.
The way I understand it, is that the whole bottle (30ml) is 36MG of nicotine. Not 36MG of nicotine per drop. Depending on the model, size of cart, and technique,(whether dripping or refilling) one would only use 2-8 drops per usage.
Having said that, on most bottles and claims, it's recommended 3-4 drops per refill. But no where have I seen and estimated amount of nicotine per drop. But if my calculations are correct 36MG of nicotine/divided by an estimated 600 drops per 30ml= .06 grams of nicotine per drop.
That's if you were to absorb the entire drop of e-liquid...but as you know, most of that is exhaled and burned only allowing a variable amount to enter your blood stream per puff.
So, in one cartridge that holds 3-4 drops, should only contain 0.18 - 0.24mg of nicotine.
So if I vape 20 times a day at 3 drips a session...that's only 3.6 grams of nicotine intake a day....If I were to absorb all that in.
That is equivalent to (depending on brand and strength) 2 cigs at full strength or 5 cigs as a light cig.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyhow, I'm reading some of these calculations...and I'm getting quite confused. I've ordered 36mg DIY liquid.
The way I understand it, is that the whole bottle (30ml) is 36MG of nicotine. Not 36MG of nicotine per drop. Depending on the model, size of cart, and technique,(whether dripping or refilling) one would only use 2-8 drops per usage.
Having said that, on most bottles and claims, it's recommended 3-4 drops per refill. But no where have I seen and estimated amount of nicotine per drop. But if my calculations are correct 36MG of nicotine/divided by an estimated 600 drops per 30ml= .06 grams of nicotine per drop.
That's if you were to absorb the entire drop of e-liquid...but as you know, most of that is exhaled and burned only allowing a variable amount to enter your blood stream per puff.
So, in one cartridge that holds 3-4 drops, should only contain 0.18 - 0.24mg of nicotine.
So if I vape 20 times a day at 3 drips a session...that's only 3.6 grams of nicotine intake a day....If I were to absorb all that in.
That is equivalent to (depending on brand and strength) 2 cigs at full strength or 5 cigs as a light cig.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I am not 100% sure on what it is but i think it is 36mg/ml I will go and find out though for sure, or maybe somebody on here could confirm this?
The problem again is that there is too many variables, we don't work out how much nicotine we are taking when we smoke an analog cigarette, we smoke one when our body tells us it wants one hehe.
Thats why i just listen to my body and have had no problems.
It's impossible to guess just how much nicotine is being transfered with each inhalation of vapor and as was said earlier in the thread even individuals smoke differently.
Cheers Lee.
The problem again is that there is too many variables, we don't work out how much nicotine we are taking when we smoke an analog cigarette, we smoke one when our body tells us it wants one hehe.
Thats why i just listen to my body and have had no problems.
It's impossible to guess just how much nicotine is being transfered with each inhalation of vapor and as was said earlier in the thread even individuals smoke differently.
Cheers Lee.
Exactly. There are too many variable to determine how much one intakes during vaping...or smoking a traditional cigarette.
But, it is an exact science about how much nicotine is in one drop determined by the weight/or volume of a drop, if contents are exactly as described on labels.
My TW liquid says the total percent of nicotine in my 36mg/30mL bottle is 3%. I don't see anything that says there is 36mg per 1ML or 10ML. If a 30ML bottle is advertised as 36MG...I believe it's just that. Or in that case, the packaging should be corrected and state 36MG per 1ML or 10ML.
Yes well if thats the case the packaging needs to be changed, but i will go out on a limb here and say im almost sure it is 36mg per Ml
Ill get an answer on this one way or another though.
P.S Also if we were to go on the logic it's per bottle then that would mean an 18mg Cartdridge and an 18mg Bottle both have 18mg of nicotine in total which cannot be correct hehe.
P.S.S It would also apply to juices that come in both 30ml of 36mg liquid and 50ml of 36mg liquid or any other strength.
Both the liquids are the same strength just more of it.
Cheers Lee.
Ill get an answer on this one way or another though.
P.S Also if we were to go on the logic it's per bottle then that would mean an 18mg Cartdridge and an 18mg Bottle both have 18mg of nicotine in total which cannot be correct hehe.
P.S.S It would also apply to juices that come in both 30ml of 36mg liquid and 50ml of 36mg liquid or any other strength.
Both the liquids are the same strength just more of it.
Cheers Lee.
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Ok, makes sense. Also makes sense for the buzz I got for tasting a medium sized drop of the 36mg liquid I got yesterday. I assumed it was 36mg for one entire bottle, when essentially...there is 1 mL of nicotine (36MG/30ML=1080MG convert to grams= 1.08 estimated 1.08ML depending on density of nicotine crystals)
That's scary stuff. Isn't it 60mg to kill a person if taken in at one time?
Put it this way if you drank a bottle you would be very ill even if it did not kill you, thats why it comes with the toxic labels and childproof caps, at least in the UK.
Still i bet i could find plenty of other things in your house which would also be dangerous if you drank it, i.e bleach, antifreeze etc.
Have a look at this thread where we were talking about getting juice in your mouth, it kind of went of the rails a little bit hehe.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lth-concerns-leeking-e-liquid.html#post203325
This stuff isn't to be played with though, it could easily kill children, pets etc so keep it out of sight and out of reach of children and animals.
Cheers Lee.
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