Could someone please help me find this thread?

[GoodNews!]

I'm seriously not trying to start a flame war here.

Now, for a minute, I did have a brain fart, and I forgot the difference between vapor condensation and vapor in general. Vapor condensation is measured by (at the very simplest of methods) blowing vapor into a sterilized bottle, screwing on the cap, letting it sit overnight, and collecting the dew, and sticking that in one of those chemical/material readers or under a microscope. At simplest.

What I have to ask, is how would the OP of that one thread get a bunch of silica in his vapor condensate, if it were not truly there? Were they using some other way to collect vapor condensate? Were they just blowing vapor onto the tray of a microscope? If so, that's not a very good test.

Abestos's testing is much more scientific. If that's the result, then hey, I would have listened to something like that about a thousand posts ago. I need a little more back-up in the theories than just someone saying "silica doesn't do this or that." That's just my way, and I'll question things until I really get a good, tested answer (from people who've studied this more than and don't mind sharing the test infomation, like Abestos has.)

For me, the only reason I'm posting any of this is to A. Explain and question why I get a "dusty" vape if a coil is really acting up on silica, hemp, or cotton [yet, from what I can tell, not doing it on a wickless coil], and B. If it's true that my bad tastes may be coming from Kanthal or NiChrome, I'd assume the chemical deposits (or just gunk) from those wires would need a more solid particle to travel with, rather than just H20 particles, which are probably what flavoring particles travel with.

That's really all I'm doing this for, you guys. It's not some big war. It's serious scientific questions that I've only ever wanted a bit of research and depth on. For whatever I ever make up on this forum, it has to be said that not many folks have provided any sort of studies or links or self-tests. I need that as much as you guys do (and trust me, we're all getting mad at each other for the same reason - just because the theories and advice goes back and forth without either of all of us getting the proper information across or, well, with me, getting a good vaping result...)

I mean, my general tests seem to prove that certain materials give me a dusty vape. This dusty vape doesn't always correlate with a bad taste (but always does correlate with coughing, asthma, or sneeszing). Yet, a bad taste, for me, never happens without the vape also being very dusty. It's as though one factor requires the other, but not the other way around.

The bad tastes don't happen all the time (well...), and the dusty vape sure doesn't happen all the time, it's just experiences I've experienced at a very large rate, and I want to share and inquire.

 

[Ref Minor]

Have you tried tilting your clearomiser?

 

[Thunderball]

Have you tried tilting your clearomiser?

That may certainly do it.

 

[catalinaflyer]

That's really all I'm doing this for, you guys. It's not some big war. It's serious scientific questions that I've only ever wanted a bit of research and depth on. For whatever I ever make up on this forum, it has to be said that not many folks have provided any sort of studies or links or self-tests. I need that as much as you guys do (and trust me, we're all getting mad at each other for the same reason - just because the theories and advice goes back and forth without either of all of us getting the proper information across or, well, with me, getting a good vaping result...)

Speak for yourself!!

If you don't like Silica, you have an allergy to Silica, you think there's something wrong with Silica then.....wait......DON'T USE SILICA!

Most people vaping, which is millions don't give an once of horse pucky about silica!!

Dude if it's not working for you then read some threads, listen to what other people say and move on, find something else, look at using SS Mesh (unless you have some weird allergy to that as well). But PLEASE stop with the ridiculous threads you start looking for some obscure and meaningless theory as to why you can't get a good vape.

I drink Louis 13 Cognac and other people drink Remy VSOP and yet others drink Remy VS, they like theirs, I like mine, they don't want to spend the money on mine and I don't have to spend the money on theirs. However I don't go on the Cognac forum and try to pick apart why the masses enjoy something I don't, it's called personal preferences, we all have them, you have yours. No matter how many ridiculous threads you start your not going to prove everybody wrong, they're not wrong, they're making a choice.

 

[Thrasher]

well for starters your the one who mentioned a war is starting lol, your words not ours.

im not sure how a vaper made of liquid can have dust or a dusty effect. this is your sense of taste and smell messing with you some how. maybe its a lack of a better description. but the only time i get anything that can compare to what you describe is when wicks run dry and i taste the silica.
but that in no way means you are now inhaling the silica as dust. it is just the flavor of scorched silica always has been that way.

What I have to ask, is how would the OP of that one thread get a bunch of silica in his vapor condensate, if it were not truly there?

this goes back to what I have been saying - without full disclosure and proper testing methodologies everything posted here is conjecture and unproven. in that regard the poster can represent his findings as anything he wants them to be. at the same time there is a post somewhere from someone in Isreal who also did testing and found nothing - who is right?

real laboratory testing needs to be done either way, and many here will not go beyond " i will take it under consideration" until someone does otherwise.

I can sit here all day and create whatever photos I need to prove my case, buy how do you know they are real? you dont.

That's really all I'm doing this for, you guys.

thanks but in the end we dont need your help, you are the 1% with a problem that you cant seem to fix, most of use arent having your issues and there is nothing to fix for most of us.
you need to worry about fixing your own problems first.

For me, the only reason I'm posting any of this is to A. Explain and question why I get a "dusty" vape if a coil is really acting up on silica, hemp, or cotton [yet, from what I can tell, not doing it on a wickless coil], and B. If it's true that my bad tastes may be coming from Kanthal or NiChrome,

see the quote above -you, then me myself and I, you constantly contradict yourself.

 

[GoodNews!]

Well, if you did the testing of vapor at your job site or elsewhere, or even on home equipment, I have no problem trusting you, it sounds scientific enough for me. The truth is, it really takes a lot for me to distrust someone around here, even all the vendor employee crap is a bit of a "let off steam" thing at folks who just seem to get very mad at me and get insulting when, for better or truly worse, I always try to be polite.

We all have personal reasons for vaping, for making vaping sound as safe as we can make it sound, and for us to make products sound as good as we want them to sound. I know that, and it's nothing a forum should be without. I just think that some people take it too personally - I take my results personally only because I'm the one getting a bad result. If I got good flavor and a relaxing throat hit, I couldn't give two darn craps about what's in our vapor until I bothered to study it simply more in hobby form.

And here's the big thing you guys: I'm not saying this "dust" is in ALL vapes. I believe it's non-existent on good RDA coils - like I said on another thread, dude's RDA at the shop, the smoothest vapor I've ever gotten. I've gotten that "dust" at 0mg, so it isn't nicotine, and it's the worst with hemp or cotton - also very bad if the tank happens to come in with all that shiny silica dust in it, I'll feel the dust in my mouth for a whole tank. At least that's the type of sense that something is giving my mouth. It could be anything at all. I'm just theorizing in a scientific minded way.

I'm not performing real science. Neither did Issac Newton in his entire life, he just saw things and proposed ideas that turned out to be correct hundreds of years later when machines could test it. I believe I'm sort of the "Issac Newton" of the vaping world. I try very bizarre, weird, strange things to eliminate certain results and to make other results come through, for good or bad, so that I can test current results and even extreme results. But I'm doing nothing that can be said as "fact". Though, fact is, silica IS dusty, as a form. Just hold it in your fingers, and when you shine your fingers under a light, it'll be shiny with that dust.

Silica is just dusty because it is. Hemp would be dusty if the temperature sort of sorches it a tad. Cotton would work that way too, though cotton would probably have the most dust of all, being packaged and processed with thousands of cotton balls and all the dust inside those bags that probably have infiltrated all the balls. That "assumption" simply lines up with my results. Concerning the dust effect, silica has given me the least of problems, that's sort of where I'm agreeing to come to a midline on this. I've never torched silica. I've never boiled cotton. If either are naturally dusty or dirty, I'm sure both methods pretty much solve this completely - again, which is why a lot of RDA'ers seem to have crystal clean vapes.

The only area this really comes in, is really just on the devices I've tried so far. With a "dusty" vapor, I largely got that type of effect on some of the Aspire heads, and on the PG Fluxomizer. Very few other devices have done that, with the exception of cotton in my RDA and Protank, and the hemp on the Smokin' Crow. It's not a "all the time" thing. It's just an experience I'm curious over, because, like I said, it seems to correlate a lot with the "rancid" taste I tend to get, that sulphur-polyester type taste.

Again, if silica particles are proven not to be in our vapor at this time, at all, on any occasion, not even under too-hot coils and dry coils and all sorts of factors, then hey, I can only consider that it's more of a "gunk dust", or something, like gunk on the coils being heated and sort of vaporized. Wether this is metallic chemicals, or juice chemicals, or what - it's hard for me to say. It's hard to believe that a chemical could cause such dusty of a vapor, without actually being a physical particle. That's what confuses me. I don't think the explanation is as simple as saying that my senses are messed up, because I do see lots of reports of the same experience, for those that try cotton and fail at it....

 

[Thrasher]

I believe I'm sort of the "Issac Newton" of the vaping world

really?

no offense but the biggest detriment to people wanting to work with you is your extraordinary ego.
i cant count how many times you stated how your going to revolutionize vaping.

If you could just find a little humility you would have so much less friction around here. so many people want to help you but cant stand the way you rub their fur.

Debate is the foundation of many a scientific discovery or break through, arguing your superiority is counter productive to that process.

I do not think vaping is for you...... and on a side note.....what happened to the RBA's? I thought we were going to have a new direction for once and leave these clearos behind us

 

[GoodNews!]

Issac Newton was, by all accounts at the time, a dipstick. The town troll. People probably laughed him silly, or threatened to burn him at the stake. Acting like ya'll don't treat me the same way.

Lol that's all I meant. I didn't mean like Issac Newton in a good way, I meant like Issac Newton in an insane way. There are plenty of scientists who were just as hardworking and dedicated as Issac Newton (probably some of the failed ones would have been better name examples for me), but ultimately wrong.

I could be that too.

I'm just saying, I'm really doing a lot of testing here, no matter what anyone thinks. I'm getting my own results that each seem to have consistent control factors and results for each theory I name.

That's all scientific study is. That's all it has to be. If I don't have the technology, experience, or equipment to fully tests my theories, then pretend we're in 1609. What did people do at that time? Even the smartest ones just guessed at a lot of things. The only ones who even began to be right were the ones who got consistent results over and over and over gain. I accomplished that.

In a bad way. Not a good way. I've proven what solves these theories, and what doesn't. The theories themselves could be ridiculous, I have no clue, but the results aren't. I've proven to myself that the results I get are very controllable and consistent from factor to factor, and that's all I need to know that, beyond getting negatives results as a whole, that I am looking into things that do have scientific basis at the very simplest.

Long story short: I'm simply proving in my own tests that it's not some vaping devil leaning on my shoulder, giving a newbie vaping curse of not tilting a clearomizer. I've proven that tilting works for my preference, for VG and not PG. That's a good thing right? Odd thing, but good thing.

 

[Myrany]

Goodnews

The closest I have ever come to something like "dust" in my vape is more of a chalky taste from some flavorings particularly in high PG juices. Now I DIY so I can only go off my own experimentations in making my own juices. Not really scientific in a true science sense of the word.

Recently I picked up some TFA Spearmint flavor. Mixed up a bit at my normal 20% flavoring, 50 VG/50 PG. I got a very distinct dry chalky sensation when vaping it. After trying many combinations I found I need to use this particular flavoring at no more than 7% flavoring and at 70% VG. Any more flavor or less VG and it is a royal case of cotton mouth and not nice to vape at all. Now as I said this is my own personal tastes.

In general I find more PG = a dryer vaping sensation whereas more VG=a moister vape. I have not found any difference in cotton or silica in terms of the dry chalky sensation to the vape.

All just personal observation so take with as many grains of salt as you like.

 

[Iffy]

ARRRGH... when will it end?!?!?

I believe I'm sort of the "Issac Fig Newton" of the vaping world.

Same result as dat Taco Bell burrito... us>>>

<<< you

That's what confuses me. I don't think the explanation is as simple as saying that my senses are messed up, because I do see lots of reports of the same experience, for those that try cotton and fail at it....

Serious question fer ya, why don't you just use what you consider a good vape and stop swimming upstream, misinforming our newer members and give us all a break until YOU determine what your issues are?

BTW, do you have any pets? .

 

[GoodNews!]

Issac Newton was, by all accounts at the time, a dipstick. The town troll. People probably laughed him silly, or threatened to burn him at the stake. Acting like ya'll don't treat me the same way.

Lol that's all I meant. I didn't mean like Issac Newton in a good way, I meant like Issac Newton in an insane way. There are plenty of scientists who were just as hardworking and dedicated as Issac Newton (probably some of the failed ones would have been better name examples for me), but ultimately wrong.

I could be that too.

I'm just saying, I'm really doing a lot of testing here, no matter what anyone thinks. I'm getting my own results that each seem to have consistent control factors and results for each theory I name.

That's all scientific study is. That's all it has to be. If I don't have the technology, experience, or equipment to fully tests my theories, then pretend we're in 1609. What did people do at that time? Even the smartest ones just guessed at a lot of things. The only ones who even began to be right were the ones who got consistent results over and over and over again. I accomplished that sense of science to the point I'm satisfied with my own discoveries.

In a bad way. Not a good way. I've proven, to myself, what solves these theories, and what doesn't. The theories themselves could be ridiculous, I have no clue, but the results aren't. I've proven to myself that the results I get are very controllable and consistent from factor to factor, and that's all I need to know that, beyond getting negatives results as a whole, that I am looking into things that do have scientific basis at the very simplest.

Long story short: I'm simply proving in my own tests that it's not some vaping devil leaning on my shoulder, giving a newbie vaping curse of not tilting a clearomizer. I've proven that tilting works for my preference, for VG and not PG. That's a good thing right? Odd thing, but good thing.

^Just a little update about the meaning of the Newton!

I mean really, none of ya'll told me to offset a seemingly hot coil or hot vapor with a VG juice, and that itl'll only work with a device that has pretty grand wickflow gaps. I had to find that out myself. It's a result that has turned a Fluxomizer from a Blu standard to a mini-RDA vape.

And how it worked? I guess I'm just better of trying to tell ya'll that it did, rather than trying to guess why. It was simply a neat experiment. While you guys are off modding and RDA building and such, I'm here pushing really weird tests with really cheap models.

Room for me too! I'm just trying to budge into the forum and do some really weird experiments. If it works for me, it works for me!

Just asking why. Why, why, why, why, why. I'm worse than a darn 4-year old. I'll happily admit it. Ya'll ain't telling me all that much about myself that I don't know. I'm just still in the "why" phase because Monday, RDA day, isn't coming fast enough!!!

 

[catalinaflyer]

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[Thrasher]

see this is what im talking about regarding humility you want to work together to form opinions and help you figure this out but every post somehow turns into being about you and how we are supposed to view you and nothing about the original post.

stop man if you want to work on the problems let's talk about the problems and not your overinflated self image.

And exactly why is it you quote your own posts without adding anything??

don't worry it will be edited 50 times to add content.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

The only way the insanity ends is if none of us responds. Period. There is no reasoning here. It's just on and on, one thing after another. And it's just totally out of control. I'll be an observer, not a participant. I can't take anymore! GN wins.

 

[RubyRuby]

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Maybe because his post has been edited since the first responses were posted.

 

[mare ze dotes]

As said. It was kinda fun but wearing off fast.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

Look, if you have a sensitivity to silica, I'm not going to knock you for it. If you think you can taste it in all your clearos, fine. I'm not going to tell you you aren't. Taste is subjective after all. However, many, many, more people do not. Most who come here are super excited they found vaping and they managed to quit or cut down on cigarettes. I don't know where you think you're going with this constant attack on all clearos. Granted, I moved on to carto tanks myself, but I really do think your experiences with clearos are rare, if not unique in the sheer amount of clearos that have disappointed you. If there was some scientific, peer reviewed study that concluded that silica particles in vapor were dangerous, I'm sure the anti nicotine crowd would be screaming it from roof tops. There isn't, and without it, what's your point regarding clearos? That no one should use them because YOU don't like them? Just move on to something else then. Leave others to whatever vaping experience they prefer.

 

[Thrasher]

The only way the insanity ends is if none of us responds. Period. There is no reasoning here. It's just on and on, one thing after another. And it's just totally out of control. I'll be an observer, not a participant. I can't take anymore! GN wins.

i think im reaching the same level.
i sit for hours in pm's sometimes working with people who don't get somethings, racking my brains to find an angle until it clicks or breaking things down to the smallest steps possible so they get it but this is too much .

I think im going to leave this to the newbs who get sucked in out of curiosity.

 

[GoodNews!]

I just don't have an over-inflated ego, I have a point-fun-at-myself-and-compare-myself-to-old-age-idiots-who-happened-to-be-smart-basically-by-dumb-luck-and-some-downright-slightly-controlled-idiotic-testing-but-brung-valid-points-to-the-world ego. Like Issac Newton lol.

Ya'll just do severely misunderstand it sometimes. I think once you guys accept me as sort of a truly humble person, my posts would suddenly sound much more sensible than the meanings can sometimes seem to imply with simple text.

Again, not a war thread, not a flame thread! We're here to talk about what could be causing a dusty effect, because just like I trusted that thrasher did some very good scientific testing, I want you guys to trust me that this is the physical effect that I have gotten at times! Please and thank you!

And nah... I don't have pets. My house is, well, not the cleanest though .

Do you guys think it could be PG crud? Just PG gunk on the coils? It could be the only other simple thing as to explain why %100 VG is fine to me. Yet, why this gunk would form, that's the QUESTION.

 

[gully]

"Room for me too! I'm just trying to budge into the forum and do some really weird experiments."


Experiments With Equipment

This sub forum would be the place for that I would think.