Is Organic Cotton Harmfull ? (Calling Everyone!)
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The lungs do expell particles they can't absorb. That's why we coughed up slime when we were smokers....it's how the lungs try to clean themselves......
I first off want to know the doctors names and credentials. For at this moment I would guess them to be Dr. Paul Mall, Dr. Marl Boro , Dr. Virginia Slim.
But in all seriousness it would be a rather simple method to find results in a lab or at home to anyone who has a powerful microscope.
1- Examine side test filter material under microscope.
2- Fit it to a drip tip for a day or more of vaping.
3- Re-examine under microscope , both wet and dry.
Maybe this is something for Myth Busters
For now I will,,,
VapeOn
Though the idea of building a SS wick in a Kangertech sounds like it's going to be my next experiment.
But in all seriousness it would be a rather simple method to find results in a lab or at home to anyone who has a powerful microscope.
1- Examine side test filter material under microscope.
2- Fit it to a drip tip for a day or more of vaping.
3- Re-examine under microscope , both wet and dry.
Maybe this is something for Myth Busters
For now I will,,,
VapeOn
Though the idea of building a SS wick in a Kangertech sounds like it's going to be my next experiment.
Hmm so my little piece of cotton equals the ten of thousands of pounds found in a cotton factory. I may drink a few beer now and again but in my mind I wouldn't drink all the beer on a beer truck.Hello to everyone,
I always had doubt about cotton and I was investigating it. I talked to few doctors and they all say the same thing in my country but when i talked to other doctors from other countries I couldnt get much information and I believe the reason is explained well in the following message that I received from a doctor.
I'm calling every doctor and people who use cotton in ecig as a wick, also aspire company as they started to use organic cotton in every coil they have.
Today I have received a scientific explanation from the doctor and I'm translating it.
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First of all this sickness usually not known by US or German doctors, because they have high hygiene in their cotton factories. This issue is known by 3rd countries like Turkey and other countries where there is no hygiene in cotton factories and employees inhale cotton dust.
It is under pneumoconiosis category and the sickness name is Bisinosis. The doctor reported; every year many employees who are working in cotton factories that are lack of hygiene and filter getting bisinosis sickness and dead from bisinosis, because of inhaling cotton dust for a long time.
He said it is not important if it is organic or not, the important thing is the particle of cotton. The particle of a cotton is 0,5-5 micron. The problem is the cotton gets burned even with temperature controlled devices because the cotton fire range is so low and this can be detected with a microscope not by eyes. The cotton does not need to be burned and turned to black color that can be seen by eyes. Its particles are burning even with a very low heat at 3.0v and wet with liquid, that can be seen under the microscope only.
When the cotton is burned, that cotton micron diameter goes down from 0,5 to lower diameters and turns to a dust which can be seen by microscope only. Those burned cotton dusts goes to the lungs and stays there because the human body is surely unable to absorbe it as it is not organic anymore because of burned particles.
He clearly state this; The cotton dust cannot be absorbed in lungs and will result bisinosis in time which will lead to dead for sure he says. If it was tolareted and absorbed, there wont be a sickness called bisinosis and people who are working in cotton factories wouldnt die in the past from bisinosis sickness.
He also add this, people working in cotton factories inhaling cotton dusts which is not burned already causes bisinosis sickness, I cannot imagine what burned cotton dust is going to do because its micron diameter is smaller than normal cotton dust due to fire damage, maybe those employees getting bisinosis between 10 -15 years but in ecig case, burned cotton may speed up the process of the sickness.
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Final Notice from the doctor; Above information makes cotton %100 dangerous to inhale and will result bisinosis in time soon or late even with temperature controlled devices. Employees are working in 3rd country cotton factories where there is no filtration are not inhaling warm cotton and they are already getting bisinosis, again this sickness is known by 3rd countries which cotton factories have no hygiene and filtration. I hope this will make sense, for everyone who use cotton in ecig.
So, the doctor explanation is above and enough for me to not to use BVC coils anymore also cotton unless someone make a different scientific explanation to above doctors information and make it wrong.
It is clearly understandable if you use cotton in ecig, no filtration(you cannot filter it as the particles can be only seen by microscope), it will surely will cause bisinosis one day as you are inhaling cotton particles in to your lungs which is surely not absorbed.
What bisinosis is: Byssinosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Byssinosis, also called "brown lung disease" or "Monday fever", is an occupational lung disease caused by exposure to cotton dust in inadequately ventilated working environments)
UPDATE:
I just received a second opinion from another DR, MR Farsalinos send me the following email after I ask him the above explanations.
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First of all, i have a question for you. Has the doctor who told you about byssinosis informed you about silicosis? It is a disease which is caused by inhaling silica dioxide fibers. That means, silica and ekowool fibers used as wicks (alternatives to cotton). Silicosis is even more common than byssinosis.
Byssinosis is almost exclusively observed in workers in cotton processing. So, most likely it is dust from the spores of cotton which cause the disease. Processed cotton does not have spores or other type of dust. It is possible that cotton fibers may cause a disease, which is not byssinosis, and i found only 1 case report of someone who developed some form of disease due to cotton fibers. But he was exposed to huge levels of cotton dust every day for many years.
I find it unlikely that the cotton wick will cause byssinosis, but of course none can be 100% sure. However, i think that silica and other alternatives may be equally (if not more) problematic. So, please stay calm.
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So, second opinion is clear my mind now and made me calm.
Guys I already updated the first post and send a reply in the first page but it is missed I believe, I got a second opinion and it is from MR Farsalinos, unless there is another theory, we dont need to discuss any more as he explanied clearly and well.
Can we secure from General Quarters now?
I have been using organic cotton wicks for almost 2 years now and here is my personal outcome from it. But first a little background. Smoked 1PPD for 21 years and quit 5 years ago. Used ecigs to quit. Cartos with cotton fill for 3 years and RBA with cotton wick for almost 2 years. Anyways, due to a medical condition unrelated to smoking, (burn pit exposure) I have had EXTENSIVE lung testing over the last 6 months as follows:
1. Pulmonary breathing test. (sitting in a glass box and breathing into a tube for a variety of tests for 45 min)
2. Methacolene challenge. (used to determine if you have asthma)
3. Stationary bike test (30 min on a bike with full O2 face mask, BP cuff, and 15 or so different monitors stuck all around your chest. Resistance on the bike increases over time and a Doctor administers the test.)
4. CT scan of the lungs.
5. MRI of the lungs.
6. High resolution CT of the lungs.
7. VQ scan (like a CT but they inject you with radioactive dye. You also inhale radioactive solution throughout the test)
8. PET Scan (like a CT but you are injected with radioactive dye.)
9. Angiogram
10. High Stress Angiogram (Angiogram performed when your heart rate is at max, 165 BPM. Heart issues can cause breathing issues)
Every single test showed that I had normal lung function with absolutely no signs of damage from smoking, asbestos exposure, or now cotton exposure. The doc is still working to see if what is going on with me is burn pit related. While I understand that everyone else is different, if someone else can offer better conclusive evidence that vaping cotton is harmful, please step forward.
Cheers!
Isn't this a bit like saying if I BBQ using briquets I am likely to get black lung disease like coal miners get working in the mines??
Aye... that could be of what became in the other discussion. I just can't find it.
I have seen a lot of cotton fibers under optical and electron microscopes. They always looked pretty clean, without small particles on them. But I have never looked on a used cotton wick with burnt fibers.
Its seems then if spores are the main culprit then organic cotton would be worse use and treated cotton better.
Organic cotton is just washed very well, sheeted or puffed then sold. The seeds and spores remain.. IDK I hope its not bad stuff as it turns new vapers into master builders quickly and they stay off stinkies.. But do check out that link I posted for that silica its awesome silica and my wicks last months.. Using that silica with a temp device is a perfect match in heaven lol...
Organic cotton is just washed very well, sheeted or puffed then sold. The seeds and spores remain.. IDK I hope its not bad stuff as it turns new vapers into master builders quickly and they stay off stinkies.. But do check out that link I posted for that silica its awesome silica and my wicks last months.. Using that silica with a temp device is a perfect match in heaven lol...
There are no spores of cotton! Cotton is not a mushroom. And I may remind you there are no "molecular structure of metals".
Is somebody really need to have "scientific" explanation of everything vape-related, even if it is far beyond the scope of somebody's experience and training?
Well according to DR Farsalinos he says, "Processed cotton does not have spores or other type of dust." I'm not sure if he says porcessed chemically or just organic and processed in factory. I think he is not saying chemically processed. Because vaping those ultra white color chemically processed cotton is another issue and another subject.
Is it just me, or has anybody noticed the drama increaseing the last couple months.
My guess new vapers. They are just going through the same thing we did years ago. Smokes will kill you.. so if I switch to vaping will it kill me? I did the same.
@Alien Traveler,
Somebody needs "scientific" explanation if that somebody does not want to be byssinosis in the future and I do like to be aware what i am inhaling to my lungs.
I do know cotton has been discussed pages to pages in the past, I'm vaping over 1,5 years now. But I didnt see in detail explanation of its micron diameter and if it can cause bisinosis or not. Even DR says "I find it unlikely that the cotton wick will cause byssinosis, but of course none can be 100% sure" So if something is not can be sure %100, human will always scare from it. We do know smoke kills, but we dont know what vaping will do after 20 years and we do have rights to investigate to not to say vaping kills after 20 years in the future.
In the past 3 months, all pre-ready coil companies, aspire, kanger etc.. changed their all coils to cotton. Because of pressure from users. This shouldnt be done like that, there must be scientific tests on cotton before.
I am not even inhaling to my lungs, I'm a classic vaper. I do care for people, for the future.
Somebody needs "scientific" explanation if that somebody does not want to be byssinosis in the future and I do like to be aware what i am inhaling to my lungs.
I do know cotton has been discussed pages to pages in the past, I'm vaping over 1,5 years now. But I didnt see in detail explanation of its micron diameter and if it can cause bisinosis or not. Even DR says "I find it unlikely that the cotton wick will cause byssinosis, but of course none can be 100% sure" So if something is not can be sure %100, human will always scare from it. We do know smoke kills, but we dont know what vaping will do after 20 years and we do have rights to investigate to not to say vaping kills after 20 years in the future.
In the past 3 months, all pre-ready coil companies, aspire, kanger etc.. changed their all coils to cotton. Because of pressure from users. This shouldnt be done like that, there must be scientific tests on cotton before.
I am not even inhaling to my lungs, I'm a classic vaper. I do care for people, for the future.
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Thank you for bringing this to light for us, I guess I missed these cotton horror threads. This just gives me something more to research and maybe be aware of. I will still keep useing cotton, but now at least its on my radar, thanks react.
It's not traumatic my space friend but I think you could agree wiki is useless to a discussion when it comes to scientific medical studies. Then again if you like your doctors to use wiki as a means to diagnose and treat you by all means proceed.
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