Could someone please name one industry the FDA regulated out of existence

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Maybe not a whole industry, but try reading about the history of stevia. Sure, it's sold as a sweetener now, but before Coca-cola and Pepsi jumped on board the FDA tried to have it outright banned from this country, even to the point of burning cookbooks based around it. The only way it survived was classified as a supplement.

The people yelling taxes just don't quite get it yet. The FDA doesn't care a whit about taxes since most of their budget is NOT paid by you and me. Their budget is funded for the most part by the pharmaceutical companies, who are losing money on NRTs, and the tobacco companies, who are losing money on cigarettes. Will these deeming regs wipe out the whole industry? No, but it will certainly leave it in the hands of the cigarette companies, who will decide a year or two later that the e-cigarette industry isn't nearly as lucrative as they originally thought it would be and shut down those particular production lines.

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True, but before 1992 the FDA was funded by tax dollars, making them accountable to us: the individuals that paid their salaries. Since the Prescription Drug User Fee Act, it's funded almost completely by fees from the various industries it's supposed to police, which effectively puts it in the position of protecting them rather than us. You'll also notice a sharp decline in government oversight of the FDA since that time. They have basically become their own entity.

Ya they got this down http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/cfrsearch.cfm?fr=101.12 but still have never banned diacetyl from popcorn or any entity for that matter, there response after people where diagnosed with OB back in the 80's, it's in the workforce so it's on OSHA .........
 
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Someone on another thread said something that reminded me; it wasn't the FDA, and some might even argue to the opposite that it wasn't nearly as lucrative as it's been made out to be recently, but our government completely decimated the hemp industry. Supporters will tell you that it had more to do with the fact that it was in direct competition to the wood and new synthetics industries than because of recreational use, while detractors will say that's not the case. It seems pretty fishy however that just before the bottom fell out of hemp, Popular Mechanics published an article calling it a billion dollar crop. o_O
 

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The ecig industry , to me at least, has done a far better job of policing itself than government will ever do. I personally think that the government should stay completly out of everything except national defence, but then they don't do a very good job of that either..............come to think of it........just what the heckydern is washington good for?????????????:?:
 

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This is going to be amazing to watch unfold, if you have enough nicotine stored up to sit on the sidelines. Jails will be emptied of those in for possession of other stuff, and be filled right back up with those illegally selling said stock piles of the new evil drug....nicotine.

I'd love to see what they have proposed for laws to stop people from selling nic, once it is regulated. The money it will cost to enforce those laws is another topic altogether.

What is going to happen, will happen. I fear this is true no matter what we say or do to stop it. The FDA is a money grabbing machine like almost no other in history. I'm thinking post-apocalyptical on this now. The new laws will be the new laws, it's the enforcement I believe they have not thought out. This product is far too easy to hit the black market. All they will lose is the precious little sales tax that they get now. Ask Colorado and Washington state how ending an unwinnable fight and imposing reasonable regs and taxes is working out for them.
 
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Ya they got this down http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/cfrsearch.cfm?fr=101.12 but still have never banned diacetyl from popcorn or any entity for that matter, there response after people where diagnosed with OB back in the 80's, it's in the workforce so it's on OSHA .........


There is more Diacetyl in cigarette smoke than e-cig vapor.

Every single case of "popcorn lung" happened to smokers.

Conveniently ignored.
Ban Diacetyl? Not a chance. It would put Big Tobacco out of business.
 

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I think it's worthwhile to keep in mind that the majority of society wants the wings of vaping clipped by the FDA. The FDA is not operating in a vacuum. After all, the public has been convinced that vaping is creating new cigarette addicts (their words), are more dangerous then regular smokes, and at any moment can explode with enough force to down an airliner. Those people that are against the use of nicotine have been steering public sentiment for a few years, now. Have you noticed the recent uptick in the frequency of negative vaping articles lately? No doubt, these articles are timed to pressure the White House to rubber stamp the FDA's proposals.

Oh, and by the way, the FDA's proposals are actually a gentle version of the dreams and desires of people across the nation (and, no, I am not referring to the ANTZ)--if they had their way, nobody would be using any nicotine, eating fatty foods, drinking coffee, using any sugar, drinking large sodas, driving SUVs, using BBQs, eating meat, wearing fur coats, buying super big TVs, flying toy drones, and, well gee, the list goes on and on and on. Right?

This sort of campaign has been going on for decades, and I'll bet many on this forum were fine with that ... until now. :eek: It's just no fun to be next in the long line of people losing their freedoms.
 

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There is more Diacetyl in cigarette smoke than e-cig vapor.

Every single case of "popcorn lung" happened to smokers.

Conveniently ignored.
Ban Diacetyl? Not a chance. It would put Big Tobacco out of business.
It's not about the DAP debate it's more about how the government asked them for three years solid to step in and do testing and if need be ban it, kinda funny how they (FDA) just refused, was their some briefcases being swapped for handshakes from big popcorn to look the other way ? and then the next year big popcorn paid out several multi million $ law suits, then secretly changed all their recipes to be D free.FDA can give a damn about diaceytl, they work off of commission !
I don't even want to get into the 1000's of briefcases that come from big tobacco...........
 
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What the FDA has done is driven every industry it oversees into submission.
Which is why every industry it oversees becomes corrupt.

Or just moved overSEAS.

Regulations are what gave us the Big Three Automakers instead of HUNDREDS. CREATED Global Warming, by forcing Most manufacturing to move from here to there.

Vaping for the most part is a Chinese Industry anyway. They might make it cost more to get but that's about it.
 

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Oh, and by the way, the FDA's proposals are actually a gentle version of the dreams and desires of people across the nation (and, no, I am not referring to the ANTZ)--if they had their way, nobody would be using any nicotine, eating fatty foods, drinking coffee, using any sugar, drinking large sodas, driving SUVs, using BBQs, eating meat, wearing fur coats, buying super big TVs, flying toy drones, and, well gee, the list goes on and on and on. Right?

And of course, they dress like this:

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While I was hunting up that image, I ran across another which is really truly funny... in a sad ironic sort of way:
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