Could this have been what it is all along?

[GoodNews!]

So hey guys, as you guys know, I've predominantly used a Spinner or now, an MVP2.

The problem throughout my vaping journey has been that my devices instantly will taste "gunky" or "burnt" or "dry", pretty much on any device.

Cisco have been kind enough to tell me that this is mostly, because of gunk.

Now here's the question:

I thought the MVP2 had "short cut-off" but it only seems to have "short protection" (which would seem to only minimize the internal damage of shorts, not "cut them off", and the Spinner would seem to have this same thing).

On my MVP2, finally a device with an ohm-checker, I notice that it initially will read ohm's all over the place, but once I vape it once, it goes back to whatever true ohms the head is supposed to be.

So I kept vaping on it for a couple days, only getting a very "thick flavored" vapor that seemed not vaporized enough, and not all that much vapor at that. It was "fine", but not grand, but then, two days later, it completely gunked, I looked at the coils and they're pretty bad. This usually happens instantly on my Spinner.

Is it possible that, without short "cut-off" that I was vaping just a ton of shorts (because of pushed-down center pins, loose 510 connections, ect ect) that were "giving me vapor" but just gunking up my coils instantly?

A big pointer to this is that with just a little use, my Spinner doesn't last but a couple hours of extremely mild vaping, and the MVP2 hasn't lasted but only a day or so of very mild vaping as well. Also, once it went to orange, it stayed orange for only a second, then went to red for a second, and then died. It didn't even have enough power in that zone to tell it was dying!

When charging, it also only stays red for a few seconds, then orange for a few seconds, then to green and stays there. This wouldn't seem to be normal if the battery had full power storage and was able to store power through all those zones, and, just as well, put out proper power in those zones.

Any help?

 

[Ladiekali]

The mvp2 really should give you more than two days of vaping.
It does light green while charging... Also i dont get much warning once it turns orange, maybe ten hits or so then it dies.
What settings do you use and what ohms?

 

[GoodNews!]

Well, with the Spinner, I would start vaping anywhere from 3.3V's-3.8V's (with any ohms, 1.8-3.5) and move up from there if I ever needed to, but I usually didn't, because everything would seem to gunk from the very first hit.

On the MVP2, I was able to go up to 10 watts on an iClear 30 that was 2.0ohms, but it only took about a day of light vaping for the iClear 30 to start gunking and progressively get worse.

If neither device has "short cut-off" as an exact feature, I could blame both of them for vaping while shorting, causing gunking.

I bought the MVP2 with the employee telling me it has "short cut-off" but with testing, I don't think it does.

 

[Slobalt7]

Not sure but from my RDA experience shorts don't cause my coils to be gunky, usually it is several days of vaping VG that gets them in dire need of a burnoff.

 

[Marc Dixon]

I got my MVPv2 in my vape mail on Tuesday afternoon. I've been sucking on it for almost two days and still have green 3.8 battery level. This thing is awesome.

 

[GoodNews!]

Well, I'm a bit of a fan of VG, so well... haha, maybe the gunking is normal.

I've actually never had a straight-PG juice.

Could be all my problems right there .

(Then again, I have a recent theory where, since pre-wound coils are not pre-torched by Chinese factories, and since I don't pre-fire before vaping because it transfers those oils to the silica if you do and causes a bad vape, my theory is that these oils do not vaporize off quickly when I vape, and only vaporize slowly, which gives me a " mixed organic+metallic socky taste", and then, when lots of gunk builds up, it forms hotspots that heat up both the coil oil and gunk more severely, causing a rapid burn off of this oil, which is why I never taste a truly strong metallic taste until well after some organic tasting gunk forms on my coils.... this explains the "harshness" of a dry hit, an effect no user on ECF has ever been able to point a scientific explaination to, as silica doesn't have that harsh taste when heated or vaped by itself with an oxidized, torched coil.)

But the short-out theory could explain why I'm getting those effects so instantly.

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

IIRC, the MVP, much like the VV/VW 3.0, goes green while charging and is only *fully* charged when the green light shuts off. So if it goes red, orange, green and then you take it off the charger, you've not let it fully charge and you're vaping off a partial charge.

It can take a few hours or more to get a full charge on the MVP and the VV/VW 3.0, much like a normal battery would on it's first charge. Subsequent charges should be shorter, but the time it takes to do a full charge depends on how drained the battery is when you hook it up.

As for coil gunk, it depends on the juice and the voltage/wattage. If your coils are gunking up quickly, you're either vaping way too hot for the coil you have installed or the juice you're vaping is just naturally a juice that gunks a coil. Darker juices will do it faster, lighter ones will normally take a few days, but it's pretty normal to have to dry burn your coils to remove the gunk, especially stock coils.

I've had my own builds last weeks to months without having any issues. At the same time, I've had some juices that simply don't react all that well to the heat so they gunk faster and only last 1-3 days depending on my vaping habit for that span of time.

 

[GoodNews!]

Does anyone know if the MVP2 has short-cut off tho? If not, I have a bone to pick with my vendor, who specifically said it did.

I said the words "Do any rechargeable batteries, like the MVP, have a feature that prevents the battery from firing if there's a short so that I can know exactly what to fix on my RDA and not vape unsafely?" They specifically said the MVP2.

 

[Slobalt7]

Well technically they did not lie to you, in fact all(that I know of) VV/VW devices have a cutoff around 1.2-1.6 ohms and if you are shorting one coil on a 8 wrap 2 ohm coil you are probably not low enough to be tripping the cutoff. I know my .5 RDA won't fire on a MVP 2.0 because I asked on of my buddies at a local B&M to check my resistance and when he told me he demonstrated that it wouldn't fire, which is what he checked it on. Also tried it on a 134, resistance read direct short(though they seem to not read as low as the MVP and it refused to fire on there either, threw it back on my Sentinel and it fired away.

 

[GoodNews!]

So if I'm having a short, but on a high-ohm coil or dual coil (iClear 30), it may not pick it up and just vape but vape with hits that hit funny and taste weird?

 

[Slobalt7]

Every time I have shorted out my coils on the RDA's I don't get much hit at all, sometimes none. I pop the cap off and scoot the wick away and when I fire I can pin point it in a couple seconds when the Kanthal glows.

 

[Wow1420]

So if I'm having a short, but on a high-ohm coil or dual coil (iClear 30), it may not pick it up and just vape but vape with hits that hit funny and taste weird?

If you use the resistsnce check of the MVP, and it reads close to what the coil should be, then there is no short.

 

[GoodNews!]

If you use the resistsnce check of the MVP, and it reads close to what the coil should be, then there is no short.

Well, see, the ohm checker on my MVP2 goes from 3.0, to 2.4. to 2.0, randomly, all on what's supposed to be a 2.0 dual-coil iClear 30 head. Happens randomly, really. Has happened several times already. It may have already diminished the performance of my battery and iClear 30 (whick gunked up too fast IMO) and that's what I'm scared of! I just bought this thing, I hope it's not as ruined as my Spinner seems to be!

And I've tested and found that some types of shorts (on RDA's) read extremely high ohms, where some ones (rare ones, really) read very low. I totally did not ever know about this issue, nor did the shop tell me this!

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

Does anyone know if the MVP2 has short-cut off tho? If not, I have a bone to pick with my vendor, who specifically said it did.

I said the words "Do any rechargeable batteries, like the MVP, have a feature that prevents the battery from firing if there's a short so that I can know exactly what to fix on my RDA and not vape unsafely?" They specifically said the MVP2.

Most Innokin products have a cut-off of 1.3Ω. This applies directly to the SVD, the VV/VW 3.0 and the MVP 2. If there's a short, they won't fire at all and will yield an error which results in the fire button turning red. The same applies to attempting to fire a coil below 1.3 ohms.

IIRC, all Innokin products max at 3.0Ω (I don't know about the two newest mod releases, not checked), so attempting to fire above 3.0Ω will yield the same as attempting to fire below 1.3Ω.

All of the Innokin VV/VW devices will allow you to check the Ω's of a coil, regardless of it's resistance, and it's fairly accurate, it just may not fire that coil.

As for taste, not all juices / liquids are going to vape at the same wattage / voltage. You need to start low and move up until you find the sweet spot for that juice. Some will gunk faster at higher than lower, some won't gunk much at all; others, such as high VG blends, may destroy the coil over time or in a very short period of time. It's a trial and error process. Reviews make it look easy and to them, vaping at 10 watts may be perfect for all the liquids they like/test/etc, but that's not going to apply to everyone and most likely never will.

A few others said you still smoke as well, so not to beat a dead horse into the ground, but smoking while vaping isn't doing you any favors if that is the case. If you want to vape, vape on . Smoking kills your taste buds and alters your perception of flavors, so what others find to be the absolute best flavor while they are strictly vaping, may taste horrible to someone who still smokes while vaping or to someone that simply prefers smoking period.

When I first started vaping, I couldn't taste the silica. Now that I vape exclusively, I moved to cotton only because I can taste silica no matter how well torched it may be, no matter how dry it is etc. I can taste it and I don't like it. Cotton yields zero flavor and all I taste is the juice, which is what keeps me vaping. To date, nothing I've tried beats cotton, if done correctly.

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

You're going to see bouncing Ω's if there is a short, but it shouldn't fire on a regulated device such as the MVP/MVP 2. If it does, then it's most likely not a short. There could simply be something wrong with the coils. Factory coils have issues quite often; the forum is filled with issues on knock-off Protank 2 heads. FT isn't the only company selling them. Some vendors know and don't care, some just don't know (and need to be corrected) and others plain out don't care either way as long as money is coming in (some people are just shady like that).

Regulated devices normally won't see any damage from a short, they just refuse to fire them because the circuitry is supposed to prevent it from happening. If the MVP 2 is all over the place, perhaps take it in and have them check it for you. See if they will put one of their atty's on it and vape from it in the store. They can check their resistances, compare it to yours and go from there.

The first Innokin VV/VW I bought was faulty. It wouldn't hold a charge for more than 30 minutes (after charging on an outlet for nearly 5 hours) and the screen flickered. I took it back in, they verified my issues and I walked out with a new one while they marked that one DOA, and it was.

Sometimes there's just a bad egg in a shipment. This is one way you can make sure it's not the MVP. If they don't see issues with the mod, then it's the coils. Even if there was an issue with the 510 connection, the B&M should be able to pick it up regardless of what atty they use.


That would be my advice.

Well, see, the ohm checker on my MVP2 goes from 3.0, to 2.4. to 2.0, randomly, all on what's supposed to be a 2.0 dual-coil iClear 30 head. Happens randomly, really. Has happened several times already. It may have already diminished the performance of my battery and iClear 30 (whick gunked up too fast IMO) and that's what I'm scared of! I just bought this thing, I hope it's not as ruined as my Spinner seems to be!

And I've tested and found that some types of shorts (on RDA's) read extremely high ohms, where some ones (rare ones, really) read very low. I totally did not ever know about this issue, nor did the shop tell me this!

 

[danny4x4]

Good News, as I've said before, the positive and negative legs of a clearo are secured by the rubber grommet only. Unlike a rebuildable, where the legs are secured by screws. So on a rebuildable, if the resistance is jumping around, it usually points to the legs not making good contact. Tightening the screws usually fixes the problem.

On a clearo, the only option is to recoil ,paying special attention to the legs. Ensures legs are straight and not crimped.

Am I right to say that the clearo's resistance starts to creep up if you don't vape it. Fire it for a split second and it returns to the correct resistance again.

 

[GoodNews!]

Well, I just tested my battery, and my battery DOES have the +3ohm short protection, but I'm still unsure if it has the 1.3ohm protection.

But one thing I'm wondering - if a coil shorts, yet it keeps a range around 1.8-2.8 (but just really off), and it vapes and still produces a vapor that a disposable e-cig smoker might think is pretty good, could this still either cause the vape to vape too hot or cold, causing some gunking issues on a juice that should be vaped hotter or lower than that?

And yeah, I already know about finding a sweet spot and all, I do always start at 3.3V's and work my way up. Surprisingly enough, for some odd reason or another, the iClear 30's sweet spot for awhile was 10 watts. Never was able to vape that high before. But it may have been because a short was causing it to resist higher than it should. Dunno. It gunked quick.

 

[Dzaw]

GN - have you ever tried a boiled cotton wick in anything? It seems that a lot of people really find this gives a very clean flavor after a short break in. The reason I ask is that rebuild able type devices make it radically easier to clean the gunk off a coil, and slide in a clean wick whenever you feels the flavor has gone south.

 

[Jonathan Tittle]

If it fires, it's not a short. Innokin VV/VW devices (MVP, MVP 2, SVD and VV/VW 3.0) have short protection that prevents a short from being able to fire which protects the mod and the battery. It's not like a mech where a short will fire and the battery could vent as a result. That is not to say the MVP 2 will never have an issue, but the short protection should prevent firing.

That said, as in my previous post, take it to the B&M you bought it from and let them fire their own builds on it. If they work, you can drop down to taking a look at the coil head and the coils. It could just be a bad batch and you were the unlucky recipient. It happens.

If they can replicate the issue, then maybe it's the MVP and they can replace it unless you're out of warranty, or they have no warranty. The local shops here guarantee 15 days and after that, you're on your own.

Well, I just tested my battery, and my battery DOES have the +3ohm short protection, but I'm still unsure if it has the 1.3ohm protection.

But one thing I'm wondering - if a coil shorts, yet it keeps a range around 1.8-2.8 (but just really off), and it vapes and still produces a vapor that a disposable e-cig smoker might think is pretty good, could this still either cause the vape to vape too hot or cold, causing some gunking issues on a juice that should be vaped hotter or lower than that?

And yeah, I already know about finding a sweet spot and all, I do always start at 3.3V's and work my way up. Surprisingly enough, for some odd reason or another, the iClear 30's sweet spot for awhile was 10 watts. Never was able to vape that high before. But it may have been because a short was causing it to resist higher than it should. Dunno. It gunked quick.

 

[Fergie]

Does anyone know if the MVP2 has short-cut off tho? If not, I have a bone to pick with my vendor, who specifically said it did.

I said the words "Do any rechargeable batteries, like the MVP, have a feature that prevents the battery from firing if there's a short so that I can know exactly what to fix on my RDA and not vape unsafely?" They specifically said the MVP2.

Yes it does according to their website. iTaste MVP V2.0, Long-Lasting 2600 mAh Variable Voltage VV Box Mod - Best Electronic Cigarette | E Cigarette Manufacturer| Innokin

Variable Voltage:
voltage can be adjusted from 3.3 – 5.0 volts in .1 volt increments.
VariableWattage:
Wattage can be adjusted from 6.0 – 11.0 W in .5 watts increments.
Ohmsmeter :
Reads resistance of your atomizer/cartomizer/clearomizer.
Puff Counter:
Short Circuit/Atomizer Protection:
Over-Discharge Protection:
Battery Level Indicator:
Large battery capacity:
iTaste MVP e-cigarette built-in 2600 mAh polymer Li-Ion rechargeable battery.
High compatibility 510 connector:
Thread fit iClear10,iClear16 ,iClear30 etc
ON/OFF battery switch:
10 seconds cutoff:
Passthrough:
Remembers last set voltage or wattage :
Remembers last set voltage or wattage when the battery is turned off and then back on.
Built-in 3 digit display :
Digital display shows Ohms meter, Voltage /Wattage setting, number of puffs taken since last time the
battery was turned off.
Portable power source for electronic products