Think this is about right. We do need the nicotine when we start vaping because it helps with our addiction to everything in cigs, but vaping works so much better than any other NRT because we replace the actions with something else. If we were all totally addicted to nicotine and vaping was a replacement then all other NRTs would work for us and they just don't, I tried the patch and still had to smoke while using them. I tried vaping just to cut down and had stopped withing a week and even the first day was down to 3 a day which is the level the patch could get me to but never below.
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Think this is about right. We do need the nicotine when we start vaping because it helps with our addiction to everything in cigs, but vaping works so much better than any other NRT because we replace the actions with something else. If we were all totally addicted to nicotine and vaping was a replacement then all other NRTs would work for us and they just don't, I tried the patch and still had to smoke while using them. I tried vaping just to cut down and had stopped withing a week and even the first day was down to 3 a day which is the level the patch could get me to but never below.
You are missing an important point: OP was asking about nicotine addiction for new non-smoker vaper.
I'm thinking this is uncharted territory and we will be finding out down the road. I don't think anything definitive can be determined at this point.
And there are also chemicals in eliquid. The point is that, if you're not using vaping to get off smoking, OR, you're not using vaping to refrain from starting to smoke, then.....
I wouldn't recommend starting, IMHO, esp. w/nicotine in the juice.
I imagine people doing this, who aren't in the previous categories I mentioned, are just doing it cuz it's a fad or something.
Good point.
I tried patches but could never keep them lit.....(rim shot)
The nic is certainly part of the addiction of smoking but it's the actually act of lighting, inhaling, exhaling that we can't get away from. that's why vaping is showing such promising signs in terms of getting people off cigs. I'm not 100% convinced just yet that vaping is "absolutely safe with no side effects" but it sure looks like it's way healthier than smoking. We'll see in time.
To stay on topic with the OP, anything can become addictive. I know a bit about it. I've been through rehab numerous times for various illicit substances.
Smoking, gambling, drinking, drugs, shopping, exercising, the internet, spanking your monkey......all have legitimate support groups for addiction. We are creatures of habit and we really like things that cause us to release endorphins. Some are more susceptible to it than others. So yeah vaping can become an addiction, but not necessarily because of the nic. That's an added bonus.
Ask yourself this, what part of vaping is it you like? Do you get a buzz from the nic? Is it the flavors? Do you just like new gadgets? Any one of those reasons and many more can make it a habit. A good habit, bad habit, whose to judge.
But the line between habit and addiction is a subtle one. So tread lightly.
66 mg of caffeine is nothing, that's like one cup of coffee, where do you get the idea that will kill you ? Unless you mean 66 grams .
VAMPING is only an addiction if you feel you must consume human blood. Otherwise you should be ok.
yes notice the reference to "known by the user to be harmful".
with out that part,the other parts don't mean any thing.
smoking is known to be harmful and we know it is addictive.
the problem lies in the fact that vaping is not smoking.
current science seems to indicate nicotine is not anywhere as addictive
if at all nor near as toxic as once believed. Swedish studies on snuss
indicate nicotine to benign as compared to smoking.
therefore in the absence of any real demonstrable harm vaping
can not be said to be addicting in the classical sense.
it can be very habit forming.
lets see what psychology today says.
Addiction | Psychology Today
Addiction is a condition that results when a person ingests a substance (e.g., alcohol, ......., nicotine) or engages in an activity (e.g., gambling, sex, shopping) that can be pleasurable but the continued use/act of which becomes compulsive and interferes with ordinary life responsibilities, such as work, relationships, or health. Users may not be aware that their behavior is out of control and causing problems for themselves and others.
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For sure behavior has a lot to do with addiction, and some behaviors are addictive. Was treating a Netflix addiction with heavy doses of Amazon Prime, not realizing that Amazon Prime metabolizes into Netflix once past the blood-brain barrier. My bad. Cross-tolerance with Hulu has also been demonstrated. Now, where's that rehab clinic? Ah, there it is, between the couch cushions.
Sorry, you are very wrong. Take another look at dictionary definition, and you'll see that world "harmful" is used only to describe rather secondary meaning of the world "addiction".
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lets see what psychology today says.
Addiction | Psychology Today
Addiction is a condition that results when a person ingests a substance (e.g., alcohol, ......., nicotine) or engages in an activity (e.g., gambling, sex, shopping) that can be pleasurable but the continued use/act of which becomes compulsive and interferes with ordinary life responsibilities, such as work, relationships, or health. Users may not be aware that their behavior is out of control and causing problems for themselves and others.
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Thank you for posting a link to psychology today which second me in my opinion.
Assuming you meant Vaping not vamping....
Nicotine is Addictive. I'd check this article out to explain how it is addictive. However, that is assuming that you vape nicotine juice.
Now, most Ecig users are former smokers that wanted to find a safer alternative to smoking... and Vaping is definately safer. However, it seems that it's become more of a social thing with younger vapers... it's the act of blowing large clouds that is becoming popular. Every place I've seen Ejuice being sold, I've seen zero nicotine versions. So, the younger generation does NOT have to vape nicotine, and still blow clouds of vapor. Usually the ones that blow the biggest clouds are using the lowest nicotine content. However, former smokers are more about the nicotine than the vapor production.
So, the answer is not a simple yes and no. let's say a non smoker wanted to start vaping. If he vaped non nicotine juice, then no, it is not physically addictive. If he has an increased social interaction because of it, then it might be psychologically addictive. If he started vaping nicotine, then it will be physically addictive as well.
The term "addiction" is a broad term.. there are several types of addiction. Hoarders are addicted to collecting things, There have been people addicted to their car, or addicted to snorting baby powder... that doesn't mean that the items themselves are addictive, but their mental aspect makes those things addictive. So, is vaping addictive.. yes (physically with nicotine) no (physically without nicotine).
Nicotine is Addictive. I'd check this article out to explain how it is addictive. However, that is assuming that you vape nicotine juice.
Now, most Ecig users are former smokers that wanted to find a safer alternative to smoking... and Vaping is definately safer. However, it seems that it's become more of a social thing with younger vapers... it's the act of blowing large clouds that is becoming popular. Every place I've seen Ejuice being sold, I've seen zero nicotine versions. So, the younger generation does NOT have to vape nicotine, and still blow clouds of vapor. Usually the ones that blow the biggest clouds are using the lowest nicotine content. However, former smokers are more about the nicotine than the vapor production.
So, the answer is not a simple yes and no. let's say a non smoker wanted to start vaping. If he vaped non nicotine juice, then no, it is not physically addictive. If he has an increased social interaction because of it, then it might be psychologically addictive. If he started vaping nicotine, then it will be physically addictive as well.
The term "addiction" is a broad term.. there are several types of addiction. Hoarders are addicted to collecting things, There have been people addicted to their car, or addicted to snorting baby powder... that doesn't mean that the items themselves are addictive, but their mental aspect makes those things addictive. So, is vaping addictive.. yes (physically with nicotine) no (physically without nicotine).
The exact definition of addiction, although an interesting topic, is really nothing to do with the subject. We are really on about whether or not vaping with nic will make people unable to stop due to their having the need for nicotine. I say that nicotine isn't addictive enough for this to happen and what little evidence there is supports this. No one would say quitting coffee is that hard, not going to do that though. I could easily go 0 nic and to prove it I will mix a batch tonight and sometime next week I will vape 0 nic and see what it's like.
Another article based on smoking and not nicotine addiction/dependency which makes any conclusions totally irrelevant, but even this said it wasn't that addictive.
Well yes. While nicotine certainly does not have the physical addictive qualities of say, narcotics or alcohol, the body can, and usually will, develop some level of dependency. The difference is with nicotine or caffeine, the withdrawal symptoms are irritability and maybe a little stomach discomfort and a headache.
Withdrawals from alcohol and narcs can actually kill you. Ask me how I know.
That wouldn't prove anything other than YOU personally can do it.
I do see what you are saying Norrin. Nicotine may not be as physically addictive as originally thought. What you have to remember is everyone is different. What may seem easy for you to quit may be mountain to someone else to overcome.
addiction from your source
Medical Definition of ADDICTION
: compulsive physiological need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as ......, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly : persistent compulsive use of a substance known by the user to be physically, psychologically, or socially harmfulcompare habituation
you didn't see this?
from wikipedia
Addiction is a state defined by compulsive engagement in naturally rewarding behavior or compulsive drug use, despite adverse consequences;[5] it can be thought of as a disease or biological process leading to such behaviors.
from the american society of addiction medicine.
Short Definition of Addiction:
Addiction is a primary, chronic disease of brain reward, motivation, memory and related circuitry. Dysfunction in these circuits leads to characteristic biological, psychological, social and spiritual manifestations. This is reflected in an individual pathologically pursuing reward and/or relief by substance use and other behaviors.
Addiction is characterized by inability to consistently abstain, impairment in behavioral control, craving, diminished recognition of significant problems with ones behaviors and interpersonal relationships, and a dysfunctional emotional response. Like other chronic diseases, addiction often involves cycles of relapse and remission. Without treatment or engagement in recovery activities, addiction is progressive and can result in disability or premature death.
finally no less a source than the Mayo Clinic.
Definition
By Mayo Clinic Staff
Drug addiction, also called substance use disorder, is a dependence on a legal or illegal drug or medication. Keep in mind that alcohol and nicotine are legal substances, but are also considered drugs.
When you're addicted, you're not able to control your drug use and you may continue using the drug despite the harm it causes. Drug addiction can cause an intense craving for the drug. You may want to quit, but most people find they can't do it on their own.
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it may be possible but,highly improbable.
the exception rather than the rule.
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If the nicotine in vaping is so addictive why are more vapers not upping their levels of nicotine in their juice?
Many juicers actually start to lower their nicotine levels as time goes on.
That would suggest to me that nicotine is not so addictive for most people. I'm no expert, just my personal observations.
I Vape to live and live to Vape. (Just ordered some tee shirts with this logo lol)
Am I addicted to vaping? I don't believe I am. I actually feel free for the first time.
Could I lower the nicotine levels in my juice? Not at the moment because I would worry about going back to analogs.
Given time, however, I'm sure I won't have too much trouble doing so.
Will I ever give up vaping? I doubt it because I love it. It fulfills a need in me that IMHO has nothing to do with nicotine.
Vape on - happy vaping
Many juicers actually start to lower their nicotine levels as time goes on.
That would suggest to me that nicotine is not so addictive for most people. I'm no expert, just my personal observations.
I Vape to live and live to Vape. (Just ordered some tee shirts with this logo lol)
Am I addicted to vaping? I don't believe I am. I actually feel free for the first time.
Could I lower the nicotine levels in my juice? Not at the moment because I would worry about going back to analogs.
Given time, however, I'm sure I won't have too much trouble doing so.
Will I ever give up vaping? I doubt it because I love it. It fulfills a need in me that IMHO has nothing to do with nicotine.
Vape on - happy vaping
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