Could Vamping become adiction

[mkbilbo]

One of my big concerns is if someone start vaping will this person become nicotine addict or something like that.

Possibly. There's no actual way to know until it's too late. That is, if you mean vaping with nicotine. There are also nicotine free versions of most all liquids and, no, those are not addictive.

vaping nicotine is best left to people already addicted by way of tobacco use. Like myself. I smoked for years. I am addicted to nicotine and have failed quitting each and every time. I always went back. Vaping lets me get the nicotine without the cancer causing chemicals in tobacco smoke (there are 50 or more!). But, see, I already was addicted to nicotine.

But there's no way to tell ahead of time. Some people can "smoke socially" even and don't seem addicted. Others quit fairly easily (in relative terms). Addiction is not a simple subject. Nicotine, itself, may not even be all that addictive. Other elements and additives in tobacco products likely boost addiction (we know the tobacco companies got caught researching and using ways to make their products more addictive).

If you do not use tobacco now, vaping nicotine is a gamble. You might not become addicted. Or you will. And you'd only know for sure by realizing you're addicted. That is, too late to not do it.

Zero nicotine liquids, though, have nothing addictive in them. The nicotine is the addictive part. Anybody who is not a tobacco user who wants to try vaping should ONLY try zero nicotine vapes. Why risk an addiction?

 

[Robino1]

Nicotine Propaganda

 

[lm7nyne]

I keep 2 mods with me at all times. One with 24mg and one with anywhere from 0-15mg. I'm doing my best to get away from the nicotine addiction and can actually go a hour or so in the mornings without vaping unlike when I smoked and would reach for the cigs before my eyes were even open.

 

[mkbilbo]

Hello people, does anyone want to link a study that shows nicotine as being addictive? You can find many studies that show nicotine is only about as addictive as caffeine, but it's not highly addictive so no worries about becoming an addict from vaping. Smoking is addictive but there are other chemicals involved.

Well... don't forget addiction is highly variable between people. Yes, there are a lot of other chemicals in cigs that play a part (maybe even the major part) but people don't respond exactly alike to... much of anything really.

I seem to have a straight up, strong nicotine addiction. Before vaping, NRTs were the most successful--though ultimate failures--of my many, many quit attempts. Switching to vaping was relatively easy for me. There were some "side effects" but nothing on the scale of, oh, "cold turkey".

And after about 18 or so months smoke free, I had a craving for a cig in the last few weeks that surprised me at first. It had been months since I had seemed to have lost interest in smoking entirely.

What I realized is I had been busy doing something with the truck and hadn't vaped in some fairly long (ish?) period of time. Then smelled sombady's smoke. My nic level must have been down. I usually can even be around smokers without it bothering me. But having been preoccupied, I must have not taken a "vape break" in a while then got hit in the face with tobacco smoke.

Grabbed the VTR and killed the craving. And lost interest in the guy's smoke.

For myself, it looks like a fairly straightforward and strong addiction to nicotine. And I suspect those of us who succeed with vaping may primarily addicted to nicotine. After all, that's the only thing you "bring over" from smoking (etc.). It would make sense for some percentage of tobacco users to respond strongly to nicotine even though the overall picture is more complex and the reasons for people being addicted to tobacco can vary a great deal.

Since the big anti-smoking push began, seems the people who can quit, have quit. Vapers could be the "hardcore" nicotine addicts who can't quit it. I don't know and don't have the background nor resources to do studies or anything but I wonder. It would explain why vaping is so wildly successful among a serious fchunk of the remaining smokers. Many, if not most, arrive having tried everything else and vaping is the only thing that worked.

 

[vaperature]

Nicotine is adictive and the health risks of vaping are still somewhat unknown, less dangerous than smoking but how much safer is unknown. I would NOT recommend vaping for someone who isn't already addicted to nicotine, I would however heavily recommend it to any smoker looking for a safer alternative.

What you are saying completely ignores the millions of people who START smoking every year. Seems you are suggesting vaping shouldn't be an alternative for those who will otherwise start smoking. And I disagree with that. Every year millions of people will start smoking for the first time. I would prefer those people, if they must start something involving nicotine, start vaping instead. So I disagree whole heartedly with your comment that people should only start vaping if they are ALREADY addicted to nicotine.

 

[Brettanomyces]

What you are saying completely ignores the millions of people who START smoking every year. Seems you are suggesting vaping shouldn't be an alternative for those who will otherwise start smoking. And I disagree with that. Every year millions of people will start smoking for the first time. I would prefer those people, if they must start something involving nicotine, start vaping instead. So I disagree whole heartedly with your comment that people should only start vaping if they are ALREADY addicted to nicotine.

I would recommend against starting smoking to someone who was thinking about it too, if they were dead set on one or the other I would recommend vaping over smoking. It might make me a hypocrite but if I was able to go back and make the decision of whether to start smoking I wouldn't start.

 

[Norrin]

I must say that most of the people who have responded to this thread can't complain if vaping is restricted, taxed or even banned. There is no evidence to support your claims that nicotine is addictive so you can't complain about people who claim that vaping is dangerous because if we can't look at things in a sensible way and only base things on facts why should they have to?

 

[danny4x4]

I don't care about TH so can't remember where I saw this, but there is a liquid supplier that does an additive that gives TH...wolfs blood or something like that I will try and find it again.

Thanks, but I've tried nearly every addictive possible (Qhit, flash, Diablo loco, etc). Even stepped chilli seeds, ginger, etc. Nothing gives the throat hit of nicotine.

Why then did I try to use 0mg nic with addictives to stimulate throat hit if I feel that nicotine is not HIGHLY additive? Simply because the country where I'm at now bans the import of nicotine.

Thanks for the thought Norrin.

 

[danny4x4]

Nicotine Propaganda

This reinforces my belief that nicotine is NOT HIGHLY addictive.

 

[ProjektMayhem]

Nicotine, caffeine, etc are both drugs and can kill. (Google it) average body weight 66mg of caffeine can be fatal. Roughly 100mg of nicotine will accomplish the same task.
Basically if someone could take in 16 cups of strong coffee "instantly" that should do it.

Actually the LD50 of caffeine is 150mg/kg of body weight. So more like 100 cups of coffee. If it was 66mg I would have been dead a long time ago. I take in about 2x's that a day.

One of my big concerns is if someone start vaping will this person become nicotine addict or something like that.

Yeah you can. I know I'm addicted to nicotine. If I don't vape every so often I start to get irritable and get headaches and crave a vape hardcore.

 

[ProjektMayhem]

Nicotine, caffeine, etc are both drugs and can kill. (Google it) average body weight 66mg of caffeine can be fatal. Roughly 100mg of nicotine will accomplish the same task.
Basically if someone could take in 16 cups of strong coffee "instantly" that should do it.

One of my big concerns is if someone start vaping will this person become nicotine addict or something like that.

I must say that most of the people who have responded to this thread can't complain if vaping is restricted, taxed or even banned. There is no evidence to support your claims that nicotine is addictive so you can't complain about people who claim that vaping is dangerous because if we can't look at things in a sensible way and only base things on facts why should they have to?

Do you really believe that nicotine isn't addictive?

 

[danny4x4]

Like someone mentioned, the response/addictiveness to nicotine varies with each individual. For me, it's the word HIGHLY addictive that raises my blood pressure. It's no more addictive than chocolates or coffee..... For me.

 

[Norrin]

Do you really believe that nicotine isn't addictive?

Nicotine isn't highly addictive, every study into nicotine agrees with this and there isn't 1 study that backs up these claims of addiction.

 

[Nermal]

There was a time that if I left the house without at least a 1/2 pack of cigarettes, I would make a fast u-turn and resupply. If I now leave without the vape for an hour or more, that's just fine with me. Call it anecdotal if you wish, but enough anecdotes become empirical evidence. How many former smokers turned into vapers will contradict my own experience?

 

[Brettanomyces]

Nicotine Propaganda

That's an interesting read but they even admit that there isn't any concrete evidence to prove that it isn't addictive on it's own. The fact that all of the studies on dependence used smokers and that studies using "never smokers" didn't show dependence is fairly persuasive but nicotine dependence wasn't the focus of the studies and without knowing the methodology or how dependence was determined it's not really conclusive. I will say that it seems like a possibility but why take that chance.

There's certainly other things in and added to tobacco that I was addicted to but I'm still addicted to nicotine. I did read something interesting recently that talked about some of the other alkaloids in tobacco and how they interact with nicotine to make it more addictive, perhaps that's what makes nicotine addictive but I know that I wouldn't want to take that chance if I wasn't already addicted.

 

[Norrin]

That's an interesting read but they even admit that there isn't any concrete evidence to prove that it isn't addictive on it's own. The fact that all of the studies on dependence used smokers and that studies using "never smokers" didn't show dependence is fairly persuasive but nicotine dependence wasn't the focus of the studies and without knowing the methodology or how dependence was determined it's not really conclusive. I will say that it seems like a possibility but why take that chance.

There's certainly other things in and added to tobacco that I was addicted to but I'm still addicted to nicotine. I did read something interesting recently that talked about some of the other alkaloids in tobacco and how they interact with nicotine to make it more addictive, perhaps that's what makes nicotine addictive but I know that I wouldn't want to take that chance if I wasn't already addicted.

So these people who say vaping is dangerous and can cause cancer to those around us are fine saying that because there is no evidence that it doesn't.

 

[Brettanomyces]

I must say that most of the people who have responded to this thread can't complain if vaping is restricted, taxed or even banned. There is no evidence to support your claims that nicotine is addictive so you can't complain about people who claim that vaping is dangerous because if we can't look at things in a sensible way and only base things on facts why should they have to?

There's addictive substances that aren't taxed, restricted, or banned. The real issue that triggers that type of response is when an addictive substance is also significantly harmful, if it's harmful to other people around them then it's a double whammy.

 

[Norrin]

There's addictive substances that aren't taxed, restricted, or banned. The real issue that triggers that type of response is when an addictive substance is also significantly harmful, if it's harmful to other people around them then it's a double whammy.

Yes but nicotine is neither that addictive or harmful, but people are saying that it is, if we can't get the fact right why should they even bother trying?

 

[Brettanomyces]

So these people who say vaping is dangerous and can cause cancer to those around us are fine saying that because there is no evidence that it doesn't.

No because there's no evidence at all that it causes cancer, there is evidence cited in that piece that shows that nicotine is addictive what it questions is whether it would be addictive on it's own. At least that's the way I read it, if it's claiming that nicotine isn't addictive at all then I'm not buying it.

I think we're all on the same side here, just sharing my thoughts on the subject.

 

[shuteng486]

Maybe addictive lots of people saying that but maybe the feeling of inhale..