Danger of Nickel Wire (Ni200 for Temp. Control)

[David Wolf]

The manufactures of ALL coils should test the vapor with pure pg and vg at different ratios and then again with a variety of different flavorings and release the results. Will they? Nope. Therefore the industry organizations should. Or we can let the FDA continue to fear monger like they do now.

 

[Alien Traveler]

ya' know, some of you guys make me laugh a bit...

its like this... I watched this video, than immediately think, "hmm... I consider myself part of a community... a community of vapers... as a member, and not an all around, self-centered, ......, maybe I will see if I might be able to help people in this "community" possibly be more safe.

The response?.. a variety of negativity.

I suppose, there would be a valid argument that my use of words like "danger" in the title should have been left out, so as not to create panic... however, I state that, "he may be wrong", and that "metallurgist etc. can chime in." Which, opens the door for criticism of the vid. Although, I guess that choice of wording couldve been misconstrued as sarcasm for the expectation that there was going to be upheaval... at least from those that already had temp control, although, not exclusively.

I feel that yes, ok... I will from now on, choose my words extremely carefully, especially with regard to a "danger!! Vapers will die tomorrow!!" kind of topic.

So I am sincerely sorry... and I apologize.

But remember, the initial urge was PURELY based on wanting to HELP fellow members of the vaping community (not that this is an excuse for inciting riot, and/or the condescention that resulted from poor vernacular choice, or whatever).

Despite further expected responses, I absolutely refuse to have any ill-will towards any contributors to this thread.

I wish you all the best, and happy vaping!!

You was 100% right posting your concerns. No need to be overapologetic. It's so good we can discuss things we are concerned about.

 

[Alien Traveler]

I think it's worth remembering that...

Almost all of the "medicines" that we use came from an herbal background.

almost all of effective medicines not does not come from herbs (aspirin included).

 

[zoiDman]

A history of aspirin | Feature | Pharmaceutical Journal

 

[crxess]

we can argue........ummm....debate anything.

 

[Completely Average]

SIR yes SIR!!

; )

so nickel doesnt leach?.. thats a proven lie... damn, I'll check the other threads.

No, nickel does not leach, which is why it's used in medical implants in the human body.

Nickel is the most common metal used in joint implants. It's used in dentistry and even in birth control implants (Essure). One of the main reasons it is used so often by the medical industry is because it does NOT leach toxins like some other metals do, and does not rust of oxidize when exposed to moisture and oxygen like many other metals do.

 

[USMCotaku]

No, nickel does not leach, which is why it's used in medical implants in the human body.

Nickel is the most common metal used in joint implants. It's used in dentistry and even in birth control implants (Essure). One of the main reasons it is used so often by the medical industry is because it does NOT leach toxins like some other metals do, and does not rust of oxidize when exposed to moisture and oxygen like many other metals do.

Isn't that titanium?

 

[David Wolf]

we can argue........ummm....debate anything.

Ok, how 'bout I start it by saying the discussions about voltage control vs power (watts) is arguing 6 of one vs half a dozen of the other as far as actual control goes. Both modes control the voltage to the coil. The watts are merely calcated based on the coil resistance, P=Vsquared/R, for simple non TC mods like the Istick 30. Other than the slight advantages others have pointed out of staying at the same watts if you change a coil (the mod calculates the voltage to be delivered based on the new coil resistance), and finer tuning of the voltage in the watts mode my Istick 30 hits the same in either mode. And really I can't tell 8.0 w vs 8.1 if I close my eyes and toot

 

[Alien Traveler]

No, nickel does not leach, which is why it's used in medical implants in the human body.

Nickel is the most common metal used in joint implants. It's used in dentistry and even in birth control implants (Essure). One of the main reasons it is used so often by the medical industry is because it does NOT leach toxins like some other metals do, and does not rust of oxidize when exposed to moisture and oxygen like many other metals do.

Nickel implants? Are you sure? May be stainless steel?

 

[Racehorse]

I don't know anything about nickel and vaping. I do know that nickel is one of the most highly "allergenic" metals from talking to my allergist and dentist. There are reasons they don't use certain metals in or around one's body in medical and dental settings.

HOw that translates to vaping I do not know. I can tell you that just having a crown with a tiny bit of "tin" in it somewhere wreaked havoc on the skin around the crown in my mouth after it was placed.

Allergenic metals do worry me. Fitbit had a huge problem with burns and rashes on people who wore them on their wrists, that was in the news quite a bit til they straightened out making them out of something else.

I feel sorry for you if you trust doctors. Even more sorry for your kids...

I guess I am lucky. I was deaf in one ear, now i can hear, thanks to my ENT, who replaced the calcified part of the anvil and hammer with a prosthesis. Ditto, my orthopedic surgeon, who was able to take the meniscus in my knee, which was like hamburger meat, and clean it up so now I can walk w/out falling down. I have about 10 other similar stories, like having carried a friend into the ER last year with a blocked colon, thankfully the doctors saved his life.

There are many internists now, with medical degrees, who are also functional medicine doctors, i.e, they also use natural and holistic type approaches.

Maybe I'm just lucky, I have only used truly compassionate doctors who are wanting to help people.

 

[Racehorse]

No, nickel does not leach, which is why it's used in medical implants in the human body.

Nickel is the most common metal used in joint implants. It's used in dentistry and even in birth control implants (Essure). One of the main reasons it is used so often by the medical industry is because it does NOT leach toxins like some other metals do, and does not rust of oxidize when exposed to moisture and oxygen like many other metals do.

Nickel is the MOST highly allergenic metal there is out there. Over 30% of the population is allergic to metals, primarily nickel

This is why "high noble" metals are used in dentistry and often body prostheses.


One of reasons dentistry has moved to porcelain,
Absorption of Nickel, Chromium, and Iron by the Root Surface of Primary Molars Covered with Stainless Steel Crowns

 

[Alien Traveler]

Nickel is the MOST highly allergenic metal there is out there. Over 30% of the population is allergic to metals, primarily nickel

This is why "high noble" metals are used in dentistry and often body prostheses.


One of reasons dentistry has moved to porcelain,
Absorption of Nickel, Chromium, and Iron by the Root Surface of Primary Molars Covered with Stainless Steel Crowns

What this paper describes may happen only in Israel. I have worked with dentists and bone biologists on similar projects, nothing was found. It's a bull manure. Stainless steel is pretty harmless. A lot of implants, etc. Guys just did not know how to work with equipment.
Checked journal - it is International Journal of Dentistry, open access (no hard copies, no real reviewers), low quality, low requirements. I just wonder, who wants to pubish in such places? It's for bad research, that was not admitted to respectable journals. Yep, there is now "low life" science... Be aware.

 

[zoiDman]

Yeah... Sounds like this David Keinan dude hasn't done much research.

Publications Authored by David Keinan

And where he works doesn't sound all that Impressive.

The Hebrew University of Jerusalem | Undergraduate | Top Universities

 

[sparkky1]

Then don't use nickel ............
TRC nickel purity !
problem solved ........... so calm down and vape on !

 

[Completely Average]

Nickel implants? Are you sure? May be stainless steel?

Nope, nickel is the single most common metal used in implants. Many implants use multiple metals such as titanium on surfaces that rub together and nickel on the part that is fused to the bone.

Nickel is the MOST highly allergenic metal there is out there. Over 30% of the population is allergic to metals, primarily nickel

The medical industry disagrees with you.

A small number of Americans are allergic to one or more metals:

• Nickel allergy is the most common metal sensitivity.
• Up to 17% of women and 3% of men have a nickel allergy.

Metal Implant Allergies | OA Treatment

And there is a HUGE difference between a nickel allergy and nickel leaching toxins. Yes, a small percentage of people are allergic to nickel, but it does NOT leach toxins.

 

[Penumbra]

@USMCotaku :

Yes, you are right about that, all of it (regarding your reply to my comment about, "you guys make me laugh" etc.).

 

[Racehorse]

What this paper describes may happen only in Israel. I have worked with dentists and bone biologists on similar projects, nothing was found. It's a bull manure. Stainless steel is pretty harmless. A lot of implants, etc. Guys just did not know how to work with equipment.
Checked journal - it is International Journal of Dentistry, open access (no hard copies, no real reviewers), low quality, low requirements. I just wonder, who wants to pubish in such places? It's for bad research, that was not admitted to respectable journals. Yep, there is now "low life" science... Be aware.

Actually I didn't "vet" the article.

I just know from years of having dental work that I would not allow low-grade metals to be put into my mouth.

 

[coldgin96]

My head hurts.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Nope, nickel is the single most common metal used in implants. Many implants use multiple metals such as titanium on surfaces that rub together and nickel on the part that is fused to the bone.

I am afraid you are mistaken. Nickel is not used in implants, only if in stainless steel.
Titanium is used (as an alloy also, but it is a predominant component of Ti alloys).

 

[Alien Traveler]

Actually I didn't "vet" the article.

I just know from years of having dental work that I would not allow low-grade metals to be put into my mouth.

As I have learned from dentists amalgam (50% - mercury) is the best filling for teeth cavities. By far longest lasting and cheap. However many people are afraid of it without any basis:
About Dental Amalgam Fillings
Go figure about toxicity....