Danger of Nickel Wire (Ni200 for Temp. Control)

[Completely Average]

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I am afraid you are mistaken. Nickel is not used in implants, only if in stainless steel.
Titanium is used (as an alloy also, but it is a predominant component of Ti alloys).

Ummm....

Chromium, nickel, cobalt, titanium and molybdenum are among the most common metals found in implants. Often, a prosthetic joint will contain more than one of these metal types.

Metal Implant Allergies | OA Treatment


And for the record you can't have 316 stainless steel without nickel. It's a core component and is the reason the 316 stainless steel is non-magnetic and non-corrosive, and yes, people with nickel allergies WILL react to 316 stainless steel.


And this still doesn't change the fact that nickel does NOT leach toxins, which is what this thread is about.

 

[Penumbra]

considering what this thread has turned into, I am nowhere near being closer to tryin temp. control.

The absolute only reason I wanted temp control, was to completely avoid the possibility of dry hitting... which is definitely NOT good for the body.

But, as Ive gained more experience with my "tools," I can avoid them much more than in the past.

ANyways, this is quite a fun thread to read

 

[zoiDman]

considering what this thread has turned into, I am nowhere near being closer to tryin temp. control.

The absolute only reason I wanted temp control, was to completely avoid the possibility of dry hitting... which is definitely NOT good for the body.

But, as Ive gained more experience with my "tools," I can avoid them much more than in the past.

ANyways, this is quite a fun thread to read

I think you are going to have to Do Research on your Own. Because sometimes Threads on Forums have more Opinions than Scientific Data.

In the Absence of studies regarding possible Nickel leaching into e-Liquids, or present when Vapor is produced, perhaps searching for Studies related to Nickel Leaching into Foods would be a Good Place to Start.

exm:

Stainless Steel Leaches Nickel and Chromium into Foods During Cooking

 

[Visus]

^Ya most veteran vapers have no use for TC but it is a good novelty buy since you can also use kanthal to wattage.
I cant use cotton and are allergic to nickle but I dont go by his theory of use and leeching, taste for yourself, you definitely can taste the nickle in the vapor.. It's not as clean tasting as kanthal and never breaks in like nichrome. I cannot stand the flavor of either nichrome or nickle, I used to use nichrome predominantly until I started using kanthal.. I will only use kanthal IMO unless someone makes a ceramic protected coils better than the disks..

HAHA new invent temperature ceramic coil and wicks..

 

[SomeTexan]

^Ya most veteran vapers have no use for TC but it is a good novelty buy since you can also use kanthal to wattage.
I cant use cotton and are allergic to nickle but I dont go by his theory of use and leeching, taste for yourself, you definitely can taste the nickle in the vapor.. It's not as clean tasting as kanthal and never breaks in like nichrome. I cannot stand the flavor of either nichrome or nickle, I used to use nichrome predominantly until I started using kanthal.. I will only use kanthal IMO unless someone makes a ceramic protected coils better than the disks..

HAHA new invent temperature ceramic coil and wicks..

That is something that seems to vary person to person. I get bad tastes with Kanthal that I don't get with Nickel. Better flavor with nickel too. You can set the temp to get the best flavor out of your juice too. My adv does best at about 440f where I have others that work better at 410 and one that I love at 500. Just a couple day ago I did a kanthal build in my Freakshow and it tastes horrible. Threw a Ni200 build in it and the goodness came back. To each, their own.

 

[Rabbit Slayer]

Just watched this interesting video.

Was just about to start watchin reviews on Temp. Control mods... for my next purchase.

Now?.. NOT my next purchase.

Maybe he's wrong... I'll allow the Metallurgy experts to chime in.

Either way, not worth the risk too me.

Wanted to spread the word.

So some random guy that run a business told you something and without fact checking or anything on your part, you felt the need to share the "misinformation" with the rest of the world...

Thanks

 

[Visus]

That is something that seems to vary person to person. I get bad tastes with Kanthal that I don't get with Nickel. Better flavor with nickel too. You can set the temp to get the best flavor out of your juice too. My adv does best at about 440f where I have others that work better at 410 and one that I love at 500. Just a couple day ago I did a kanthal build in my Freakshow and it tastes horrible. Threw a Ni200 build in it and the goodness came back. To each, their own.

You sure it is kanthal and not nichrome seems strange kanthal never produces that off flavor in my experience its not to each its own, it just doesn't, whereas nichrome and nickle do. Many reviewers before the sellout gate lol said the same.. You may have some mismarked nichrome wire.. Definitely no off taste on kanthal if no shorts. I use ss mesh so it is nothing but pure flavor and nichrome and nickle definitely nasty off flavors..

 

[SomeTexan]

You sure it is kanthal and not nichrome seems strange kanthal never produces that off flavor in my experience its not to each its own, it just doesn't, whereas nichrome and nickle do. Many reviewers before the sellout gate lol said the same.. You may have some mismarked nichrome wire.. Definitely no off taste on kanthal if no shorts. I use ss mesh so it is nothing but pure flavor and nichrome and nickle definitely nasty off flavors..

As far as I know it is Kanthal. I bought it at a local shop that has always been good and honest to me. Haven't tried NiChrome yet. I use cotton bacon for wicks, the stainless mesh is on my "to try" list though.

Well, looking at my stuff, I do have some NiChrome that I was given, it looks different than my kanthal though. I'll have to try it and see what I find out.

 

[zoiDman]

You sure it is kanthal and not nichrome seems strange kanthal never produces that off flavor in my experience its not to each its own, it just doesn't, whereas nichrome and nickle do. Many reviewers before the sellout gate lol said the same.. You may have some mismarked nichrome wire.. Definitely no off taste on kanthal if no shorts. I use ss mesh so it is nothing but pure flavor and nichrome and nickle definitely nasty off flavors..

I think if you Search the ECF you will find Many Threads where people compare the Taste of Kanthal(s) to NiChrome(s). And there are Many People who Say they can Taste No Difference.

And you will even find Some People who say they Prefer the Taste of NiChrome 80 over Kanthal A-1. I happen to be One of Them.

BTW - If you have Ever used a Old School Atty/Cart, Carto or a Clearomizer, then chances are you have Used NiChrome 80.

 

[crxess]

So, do I get hit by a car or slowly die..........much slower than from smoking, from.......Possible, but not proven dangers in using my Vaping equipment.

Decisions, decisions, decisions.

 

[USMCotaku]

As to the leaching into cookware.... It's not a comparable study really.....as cookware is subjected to temps far longer then a coil, often at higher temps....even then, look at the numbers, then look at the vast difference in amount of the nickel present...even if it does leach, and at the same rate.... The amounts should be negligible.

The only time I've gotten off flavor from an ni200 coil is from a hot leg....
BUT, I prefer to use Ti, it's much easier to work with.
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

 

[Penumbra]

i could care less about researching crap... I just no longer desire to "play" temp control... last time I checked, I was allowed to implement that decision without congressional approval...

or maybe, Ive gone ROGUE!!

 

[crxess]

i could care less about researching crap... I just no longer desire to "play" temp control... last time I checked, I was allowed to implement that decision without congressional approval...

or maybe, Ive gone ROGUE!!

Nope, just Proud

TC is just one aspect of my Vaping pleasure. I also love using my IPV mini2, a pair of Cloupor mini's and a multitude of Mechanical mods.

 

[zoiDman]

As to the leaching into cookware.... It's not a comparable study really.....as cookware is subjected to temps far longer then a coil, often at higher temps....even then, look at the numbers, then look at the vast difference in amount of the nickel present...even if it does leach, and at the same rate.... The amounts should be negligible.

The only time I've gotten off flavor from an ni200 coil is from a hot leg....
BUT, I prefer to use Ti, it's much easier to work with.
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

I don't know if a Cookware Study is Comparable or Not?

As you Mentioned, average Cooking Temperatures exceed average Vaping Temperatures. So if Leach amounts are Directly Proportional to Temperature, it maybe Isn't.

Are Leaching amounts for Nickel Directly Proportional to Temperature?

BTW - I posted that Study mainly to give Penumbra an example of what kind of Studies can be found if one wants to Do some Research.

But it sounds like He/She isn't interested in doing Research. So that's Cool.

 

[Visus]

It's possible a huge reason i got off flavor from use of nickle coil was the use of very small gauge nickle wire. I rethought all my rant of off taste. Hot spots almost unavoidable with smaller gauge nickle/ any wire above 7 watts . That definitely would put any off taste on any kind coil wire. Meh' leeching is suspect tho its definitely a nickle like flavor if one could imagine nickle tastes lol.. IDK its not something I would use anyway, I never get dry hits unless a hotspot develops and ya know that right away if it starts burning your tongue.. I do need TC for partying tho, I always run a tank dry after a few tossed back, it happens every time... So glad we can use TI as well as the rumours that kanthal has support now in some mods..

Each their own but to make vaping as safe as it can be is a priority. Is nickle safe? IDK
It just has not tasted right IMO..

 

[GeorgeS]

(sigh) I guess 44years of smoking analogs really did a number on my taste buds as while using the same unflavored juice I can't taste the difference between different:

• coil metals
• wick materials
• tank materials
• tank colors

Ok, I'll admit to adding the last two as examples of something we are bound to hear someone claim at some point.

 

[Alien Traveler]

I think you are going to have to Do Research on your Own. Because sometimes Threads on Forums have more Opinions than Scientific Data.

In the Absence of studies regarding possible Nickel leaching into e-Liquids, or present when Vapor is produced, perhaps searching for Studies related to Nickel Leaching into Foods would be a Good Place to Start.

exm:

Stainless Steel Leaches Nickel and Chromium into Foods During Cooking

What they have found out is that even after 20 hours of cooking tomato sauce in SS saucepan it still have less Ni than chocolate. Yes, leaching of Ni does occur, but it is important only to people with sever Ni allergy.

 

[crxess]

Are we going to lose Strawberry's by the time this is all over. Dang Allergies!

Bye,bye Shrimp

 

[zoiDman]

What they have found out is that even after 20 hours of cooking tomato sauce in SS saucepan it still have less Ni than chocolate. Yes, leaching of Ni does occur, but it is important only to people with sever Ni allergy.

It is Interesting to See that there was Not a 10x increase in Ni when the 2 Hour Concentration is compared to the 20 Hour concentration in Figure B.

Stainless Steel Leaches Nickel and Chromium into Foods During Cooking

I wonder how well a Curve Fit Function to the 2, 6, 20 Hour data points could Approximate Ni Levels for hour values Less Than 2 Hours?

It is Also interesting to see the Huge Differentials between the 3 Stainless Steels when compared to Ni-131 Nickel in Figure A.

A shame that they Didn't Evaluate the Cooking Times using Ni-131. Item # NI-131, Nickel Metal Pellets On Atlantic Equipment Engineers, Inc. But I guess they didn't think Evaluating Pure Nickel was relevant to Most People.

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Wow... Didn't know Chocolate had so much Nickel in it. How Much Nickel is there in Chocolate?

 

[Alien Traveler]

It is Interesting to See that there was Not a 10x increase in Ni when the 2 Hour Concentration is compared to the 20 Hour concentration in Figure B.

Stainless Steel Leaches Nickel and Chromium into Foods During Cooking

I wonder how well a Curve Fit Function to the 2, 6, 20 Hour data points could Approximate Ni Levels for hour values Less Than 2 Hours?

It is Also interesting to see the Huge Differentials between the 3 Stainless Steels when compared to Ni-131 Nickel in Figure A.

A shame that they Didn't Evaluate the Cooking Times using Ni-131. Item # NI-131, Nickel Metal Pellets On Atlantic Equipment Engineers, Inc. But I guess they didn't think Evaluating Pure Nickel was relevant to Most People.

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Wow... Didn't know Chocolate had so much Nickel in it. How Much Nickel is there in Chocolate?

chocolate, 27.87 mg/kg
Low Nickel Diet in Dermatology