Denatured spirit?

[Malawi]

When diluting/extracting, would it be OK to use denatured spirit(technical spirit) instead of PGA?

Reason is that I can easily get hold of much stronger denatured spirit as opposed to PGA, where the maximum I can get is 60%(vol)

(Although I have some Absinthe at 80%, but it contains a lot of flavor.)

 

[Hoosier]

Denatured means it has been made unsuitable for consumption.

You're asking if it is OK to use a poisoned alcohol to make flavorings?

 

[Malawi]

Denatured means it has been made unsuitable for consumption.
You're asking if it is OK to use a poisoned alcohol to make flavorings?

Yes, denatured means it has been unsuitable for consumption or distilling by adding small amounts of other chemicals that are irritants and/or have a foul taste. Generally the chemicals should have similar evaporation-temperatures as alcohol.

Yes, I am asking if it is OK to use(as in vaping) in very small quantities or where the alcohol is removed by evaporation.

Anyone know?

 

[panachronic]

No. Don't use it.

 

[J**2]

He$$ no !!!

don't use or ingest any spirit that's been denatured

J


GG stealth, Provari, iatty2, DIY chef

 

[Iffy]

 

[chaos-7]

PURE POISON!

 

[chaos-7]

If You like, I can show You how to build a still. L.O.L.

 

[J**2]

Actually denaturing agents are picked that are difficult to extract by simple distillation. Lots of people died this way in NYC in prohibition.

Just get some everclear.

J


GG stealth, Provari, iatty2, DIY chef

 

[Malawi]

Have done some research...

It turns out that if you use denatured spirits, and let it evaporate away, you may be left with some denaturing agents. This means that one would have to destill it to get away those agents, and then I might as well destill proper PGA.
-Not that I would care to destill. Would cost a bit, be illegal and I do not need more than say a liter to keep me supplied for a long time.

Did a search for everclear, and that is something I would use if I could get hold of it. But this brings us full circle - as the reason I wondered was because I cannot get hold of anything that is stronger than 60% locally.

OH well. Will use 40% for now, as that is what I have in house for now, and look for some 60% or over in the tax-free shop when I go for my easter holliday.

BTW: Posts saying just "NO" is not helpful at all, and are just annoying clutter. At least have the decency to qualify your answer.

 

[panachronic]

The denaturing agent is usually methanol. As little as a single mouthful can cause permanent blindness, and it doesn't take much more than that to be potentially fatal.

Honestly, this information is NOT difficult to come by. I'm not trying to be snarky here, but it needs saying that if you aren't any better than this at doing your own research, you should probably stick with professionally mixed juice.

 

[Hoosier]

I was taking a wait-and-see approach. With the OP understanding what denatured meant and continuing with the pursuit, frankly, boggled my mind. Then the admonishment that "Don't do it" was just cluttering the OP's thread pretty much cemented my thoughts.

When I was doing a science fair project as a little tyke, I was making PGA using a solar powered still I designed and built. When I was moved past regional to state I was told that I had to denature the alcohol that was part of my display. I threw some agricultural lime in it and called it good. It has never occured to me to use denatured alcohol for anything other than cleaning and burning. The idea to do otherwise was a bit odd. (But I like odd, hence the building and running a still when I was a little bugger.)

 

[Kurt]

100 proof vodka works well for thinning. Doesn't have to be PGA. I personally prefer using distilled water, since alcohol will dry me out.

Vaping denatured alcohol is just all sorts of bad. Common denaturants are methanol, acetone or pyridine. All toxic. Not something to even entertain the notion of. Plenty of cheap vodkas available that will work great if you want to use alcohol and cannot get PGA.

 

[SuperLuckyLady]

100 proof vodka works well for thinning. Doesn't have to be PGA. I personally prefer using distilled water, since alcohol will dry me out.

Vaping denatured alcohol is just all sorts of bad. Common denaturants are methanol, acetone or pyridine. All toxic. Not something to even entertain the notion of. Plenty of cheap vodkas available that will work great if you want to use alcohol and cannot get PGA.

I use distilled water too. Cheap, easy to come by.........

 

[Malawi]

The denaturing agent is usually methanol. As little as a single mouthful can cause permanent blindness, and it doesn't take much more than that to be potentially fatal.

Honestly, this information is NOT difficult to come by. I'm not trying to be snarky here, but it needs saying that if you aren't any better than this at doing your own research, you should probably stick with professionally mixed juice.

Please read OP, then read it again, and try to see what I was trying to do.

I was NOT for drinking, but for extracting.
Methanol is often used as a denaturing agent, but there are also many other chemicals that are used. -Often together with methanol(to make it taste bad, make you vommit etc.) The problem with these chemicals is that there may be traces left in the finished extract. -NOT that they exist in the liquid.

Actually, methanol could possibly have been used instead of ethanol as a dissolver(it's actually a better dissolver than ethanol.) I have not explored using methanol, both because I would need a special permit and because It would require more caution than using ethanol. Acetone would also be a good candidate, but would also require special caution.

When extracting nutritions and flavors, dangerous chemicals are often used while the products themself does not contain theese chemicals. While others, like vanilla-flavouring is made out of wood or petroleum.

 

[SuperLuckyLady]

Please read OP, then read it again, and try to see what I was trying to do.

I was NOT for drinking, but for extracting.
Methanol is often used as a denaturing agent, but there are also many other chemicals that are used. -Often together with methanol(to make it taste bad, make you vommit etc.) The problem with these chemicals is that there may be traces left in the finished extract. -NOT that they exist in the liquid.

Actually, methanol could possibly have been used instead of ethanol as a dissolver(it's actually a better dissolver than ethanol.) I have not explored using methanol, both because I would need a special permit and because It would require more caution than using ethanol. Acetone would also be a good candidate, but would also require special caution.

When extracting nutritions and flavors, dangerous chemicals are often used while the products themself does not contain theese chemicals. While others, like vanilla-flavouring is made out of wood or petroleum.

I read this a couple of times, and think I know what you're you're saying. The problem is, you would need a more sophisticated drying set up to get ALL the problematic solvent out of the finished product, and a way to test to make sure it is indeed all gone.

BTW, your first post said "diluting/extracting", hence the confusion.

 

[Malawi]

I read this a couple of times, and think I know what you're you're saying. The problem is, you would need a more sophisticated drying set up to get ALL the problematic solvent out of the finished product, and a way to test to make sure it is indeed all gone.

Spot-on

BTW, your first post said "diluting/extracting", hence the confusion.

I see. I should probably have left the diluting out.
I was thinking of diluting as in making pg/vg less viscous for filtering, not as in diluting the ejuice itself.
(Although I was visiting that thought aswell, but rejected it.)

Oh well. Guess I should have been more detailed on the intended use (extracting flavor from RYO tobacco as in this tread). Maybee there would have been less miss-understanding then.

 

[SuperLuckyLady]

Spot-on



I see. I should probably have left the diluting out.
I was thinking of diluting as in making pg/vg less viscous for filtering, not as in diluting the ejuice itself.
(Although I was visiting that thought aswell, but rejected it.)

Oh well. Guess I should have been more detailed on the intended use (extracting flavor from RYO tobacco as in this tread). Maybee there would have been less miss-understanding then.

So happy you rejected that!

Another BTW - my first reaction was to scream NO NO NO at you too!

 

[Iffy]

BTW: Posts saying just "NO" is not helpful at all, and are just annoying clutter. At least have the decency to qualify your answer.

Sorry to annoy you with my response when you asked

When diluting/extracting, would it be OK to use denatured spirit(technical spirit) instead of PGA?

How 'bout this instead...

 

[tidegirl]

It's just too risky if you ask me. I certainly would not vape anything that had been anywhere near this stuff. But you seem determined to get the answer you want. So don't blame us when you end up in the ER or worse, the morgue.