"Derived from tobacco" ???

[wizardofozone]

Hope one of you deeply informed members can explain why controlling interests feel they can become involved with nicotine eliquid controls because it's "just another extension of the tobacco plant" ... when one looks up 'nicotine' it seems a lot of other plants produce it as well ... Technology then can't extract nicotine from the (apparantly) hundreds other plants they list on Wickepedia ? .... Seems to me that they made a mistake years ago and should have been called "Alcohol, Nightshade, and Firearms" Bureau .....

 

[B2L]

Heres my, researched but rudimentary, take. Yes, nicotine is contained in a number of common vegetables and could be extracted from them. However, the concentration in the tissue of the tobacco plant is much higher making it the logical choice for extraction. The extraction process takes specialized equipment and is expensive and therefore extracting from other sources would not be economically feasible due to the excessively large amount of raw material it would take to extract the same amount of nicotine.

Also, IMO, no mater where the nicotine came from vaping "looks like" smoking and is a threat to the economy of smoking (ie taxes, BP medications, BT products, etc) which is where a majority of the opposition comes from. If you are expecting logic and sense to control the outcome, I fear you will be sorely disappointed.

I haven't had enough coffee yet, I'm hoping this makes some sense

 

[wizardofozone]

Heres my, researched but rudimentary, take. Yes, nicotine is contained in a number of common vegetables and could be extracted from them. However, the concentration in the tissue of the tobacco plant is much higher making it the logical choice for extraction. The extraction process takes specialized equipment and is expensive and therefore extracting from other sources would not be economically feasible due to the excessively large amount of raw material it would take to extract the same amount of nicotine.

Also, IMO, no mater where the nicotine came from vaping "looks like" smoking and is a threat to the economy of smoking (ie taxes, BP medications, BT products, etc) which is where a majority of the opposition comes from. If you are expecting logic and sense to control the outcome, I fear you will be sorely disappointed.

I haven't had enough coffee yet, I'm hoping this makes some sense

Unfortunately ... You've made perfect sense and I thank you ... with extreme prejudice

 

[TheOdessa]

I found it funny how cheap nicotine extracts can be that were extracted from tobacco leaves compared to the cost of a box of cigs at the store. It just goes to show you the insane profit margin BT makes on their product/how much states tax this product.

There is a Seminole Indian Reserve locally that sells tobacco tax free. It's still expensive but much cheaper then buying retail.

No wonder states and BT are targeting vaping. That's a LOT of revenue lost.

 

[skoony]

its the derivative of language in the law.
"a derivative of tobacco or a tobacco product."
a cigarette is a derivative of tobacco.
our juice and gear are derivatives of a cigarette.
without the cigarette,no e-cigarette.
i believe 0 nic juice can be covered under this interpretation.
remember plastic is a derivative of oil.
the use of the word derivative allows the FDA to drive a
hook and ladder through that hole.

regards
mike

 

[wizardofozone]

its the derivative of language in the law.
"a derivative of tobacco or a tobacco product."
a cigarette is a derivative of tobacco.
our juice and gear are derivatives of a cigarette.
without the cigarette,no e-cigarette.
i believe 0 nic juice can be covered under this interpretation.
remember plastic is a derivative of oil.
the use of the word derivative allows the FDA to drive a
hook and ladder through that hole.

regards
mike

I'd like to drive through a hole too ... a wormhole to another Earth plane of existence where Sir Walter Releigh introduced the world to a Provari ...

 

[RandyF]

In GrimmGreen's latest Vlog, I think he summed it up perfectly. The global governments will never allow a "vice without consequence". Here is a link to the video, skip to 12:15 to watch him make this excellent point.

 

[catlady60]

If e-juice is tobacco, then ketchup is a tomato; rum is sugar; and chicken broth is meat.

The ANTZ, BP, and BT are making no sense at all, probably because the money has corrupted them to the core.

 

[wizardofozone]

In GrimmGreen's latest Vlog, I think he summed it up perfectly. The global governments will never allow a "vice without consequence". Here is a link to the video, skip to 12:15 to watch him make this excellent point.

Hmmm ... I like that guy ... not unlike a true life Sheldon from 'Big Bang'. I'll go with him on all but peanut butter and chocolate Porter ... I'd neither drink nor Vape that through a 10 foot hollow pole . It just kills me though as he said ... we finally find real help,something positive, hope and a lone solution to a decades old vice and have for once found control in a world that normally laughs at our poorness, our lonliness, our confusions, and never ever jogs us into any thoughts or actions to let us rise from mental defeat and disillusion ... then a simple tech device becomes the first inanimate piece of materialism that actually does for real what car, cosmetic, hair restoration, Teeter freekin' hangups, and all the other tv commercials forever promise and never deliver ... we find ONE ... just ONE ... and those sunza demons want to quash it ... one lousy, easy, hope giving device in a world just full of things that when we get out ... want to pull us back in ... so angry I could Vape ammonia 'bout now ...

 

[wizardofozone]

If e-juice is tobacco, then ketchup is a tomato; rum is sugar; and chicken broth is meat.

The ANTZ, BP, and BT are making no sense at all, probably because the money has corrupted them to the core.

I love your analogy . Lord I've finally become the establishment hating hippy I always spat on in the 70's .... turn and face the change ...

 

[BigEgo]

Hope one of you deeply informed members can explain why controlling interests feel they can become involved with nicotine eliquid controls because it's "just another extension of the tobacco plant" ... when one looks up 'nicotine' it seems a lot of other plants produce it as well ... Technology then can't extract nicotine from the (apparantly) hundreds other plants they list on Wickepedia ? .... Seems to me that they made a mistake years ago and should have been called "Alcohol, Nightshade, and Firearms" Bureau .....

Because it "looks like smoking." That's basically the rationale and a highly unscientific rationale at that.

 

[wizardofozone]

You got that right Ego, Hope they never come to my house, because melting a tablespoon of InstaMorph in a pan of water or over top of a bic lighter looks a lot like .... shananigans .... Guess they need to control every single hobbyist too while they are at it ....