Diabetic with question about the E-Liquid

[Karen N Daytona]

Hello everyone, new here and loving the forum for all the support and information that is provided to all that enter. I smoked 2-3 PAD Marlboro Light 100’s for over 30 years. I just started vaping in the past three weeks. I finally decided that my health had declined so rapidly in the past 2 years, I was killing myself. (Diabetic, mini-stroke…)

A concern about the e-liquids regarding sugar as well any info about that is welcome too. (I noticed they taste very sweet, which of course I love, but that could be a problem). I am on a pretty strict budget, I actually spent less on RYO. The health issues are a driving force. e-liquid is going to probably my biggest problem. I haven’t found my flavor yet but nothing has been horrible either. I tried Dekang Marlboro 18mg and RY4 18mg.

 

[Titanium]

There isn't really ANY sugar.
Remember it's vapour so it can't carry any.
You should be fine.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

Thank you, so now I can have sweet stuff!!!!!!!!! Yippy! I knew I would find a way to have the taste of snickers, and almond joy again.

 

[Titanium]

A whole bottle contains about as much flavoring as a hard candy.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

Well, my doctor said do whatever you can to stop smoking, I will take the tiny bit of sugar and be happy. Just gotta find my nirvana. Only tried tobacco flavor so far. I am not sure if i will still need that crutch for a while.

 

[zuzette]

the sweet taste comes from vegetable glycerine. the flavors should be sugar free. the sweetener is most often sucrolose or ethyl maltol.

talk to your doc about insulin response to glycerine. but there is no sugar in any ejuice products. the sugar would simply caramelized with the heat. that's why its not used.

 

[Titanium]

the sweet taste comes from vegetable glycerine. the flavors should be sugar free. the sweetener is most often sucrolose or ethyl maltol.

talk to your doc about insulin response to glycerine. but there is no sugar in any ejuice products. the sugar would simply caramelized with the heat. that's why its not used.

I believe some actually use flavoring.
Now if that's REAL sugar or not is debated.
But it still could affect it.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

Thank you for that information, I was only a little concerned. I think the health benefit from cutting down vs the risk of a higher sugar count is well worth it. I hope to quit by the end of the week. If I run out of the RYO tobacco, I won't buy it again.

the sweet taste comes from vegetable glycerine. the flavors should be sugar free. the sweetener is most often sucrolose or ethyl maltol.

talk to your doc about insulin response to glycerine. but there is no sugar in any ejuice products. the sugar would simply caramelized with the heat. that's why its not used.

 

[Ray D]

As Wilford Brimley says, "Check your blood sugar. Check it often."

You could monitor this yourself for a bit. Check your sugar in the morning before you've eaten anything. Vape for an hour and check it again. Wait another 30 minutes to an hour, and check it once more. (Before you eat or take your insulin) Do this for 3-4 days (total. doesn't have to be in a row). If you notice any unexplained jumps or spikes in your blood sugar, then talk to your doctor about it.

Or just stick to your usual strict routine and diet and vape away. Check your sugar often. If you've been doing this (like you should), then you'll notice if something strange is happening.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

Ahhh I remember those commercials. I do check daily, I haven't noticed much of a change if any. I am newly diagnosed, therefore not fully under control. I suspect I suffered a couple of years before I realized something was really off. Doing the best I can to fix my mistakes. Gonna take to shopping for supplies to asuage my addictive personality.

As Wilford Brimley says, "Check your blood sugar. Check it often."

You could monitor this yourself for a bit. Check your sugar in the morning before you've eaten anything. Vape for an hour and check it again. Wait another 30 minutes to an hour, and check it once more. (Before you eat or take your insulin) Do this for 3-4 days (total. doesn't have to be in a row). If you notice any unexplained jumps or spikes in your blood sugar, then talk to your doctor about it.

Or just stick to your usual strict routine and diet and vape away. Check your sugar often. If you've been doing this (like you should), then you'll notice if something strange is happening.

 

[ajventi]

Though I'm not a diabetic, I have a diabetic dog and have had to be her "brains" on the matter, I realize it's not just sugar you have to be concerned about:

Did a quick google search on metabolism of Glycerine (same as Glycerol)

Glycerol is a precursor for synthesis of triacylglycerols and of phospholipids in the liver and adipose tissue. When the body uses stored fat as a source of energy, glycerol and fatty acids are released into the bloodstream. In some organisms, the glycerol component can be converted into glucose by the liver and, thus, provide energy for cellular metabolism.

So it may metabolize into sugar (glucose), and it may be something you want to talk about. That being said, let's say you're vaping 2-3-mL of 50/50 liquid a day, that's only 1-1.5-mL og glycerine which maybe (rough estimate) would be at most 1-1.5g of glucose. I'm guessing not so much that it would spike your blood sugar too much, but it may be something worth mentioning to your doctor.

Keep in mind when you exhale vapor, that you are not ingesting all the liquid, so in order to actually take that much in you'd have to be holding the vapor long enough that you don't exhale any visible vapor.

I really doubt even if you were not able to use insulin that you'd run into any real problems.

 

[hawkizefan]

As Wilford Brimley says, "Check your blood sugar. Check it often."

You could monitor this yourself for a bit. Check your sugar in the morning before you've eaten anything. Vape for an hour and check it again. Wait another 30 minutes to an hour, and check it once more. (Before you eat or take your insulin) Do this for 3-4 days (total. doesn't have to be in a row). If you notice any unexplained jumps or spikes in your blood sugar, then talk to your doctor about it.

Or just stick to your usual strict routine and diet and vape away. Check your sugar often. If you've been doing this (like you should), then you'll notice if something strange is happening.

What he said...

 

[pherik]

As a diabetic I have noticed that heavy VG fluids do raise my blood sugar by up to 10% and if it is a heavy candy flavor it can raise the blood sugar but this is a side effect of the scent glands. I have done very well with a 50 pg / 50vg blend myself but it really depends on the version of diabetes you have. Type 1: <Which version> and Type 2 act very different on these. Friend of mine is Type 1 and he has noticed little to no change no matter what he vapes and he is considered a brittle diabetic.

Only thing I can say to do is get to a base line level, 100 to 110 is usually really good, and then vape for a few minutes, give it 20 minutes, test and see if there is a major jump. If there is, you have a closer answer for this question but really the only way to tell is to have a constant test of your blood sugar and the effect of the VG/PG on your system.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

Excellent information, I am never without my meds and fortuantely live with family so they keep watch over me.
Thank you! I love dogs, have 2 of my own.

Though I'm not a diabetic, I have a diabetic dog and have had to be her "brains" on the matter, I realize it's not just sugar you have to be concerned about:

Did a quick google search on metabolism of Glycerine (same as Glycerol)



So it may metabolize into sugar (glucose), and it may be something you want to talk about. That being said, let's say you're vaping 2-3-mL of 50/50 liquid a day, that's only 1-1.5-mL og glycerine which maybe (rough estimate) would be at most 1-1.5g of glucose. I'm guessing not so much that it would spike your blood sugar too much, but it may be something worth mentioning to your doctor.

Keep in mind when you exhale vapor, that you are not ingesting all the liquid, so in order to actually take that much in you'd have to be holding the vapor long enough that you don't exhale any visible vapor.

I really doubt even if you were not able to use insulin that you'd run into any real problems.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

This is my next quest, to find the right e-liquid. The Tobacco and Ry4 flavors I have are all PG. I will be getting some in the mail this week that are 50/50. Checking my blood sugar no major changes so far. Thank you so much for the information!

As a diabetic I have noticed that heavy VG fluids do raise my blood sugar by up to 10% and if it is a heavy candy flavor it can raise the blood sugar but this is a side effect of the scent glands. I have done very well with a 50 pg / 50vg blend myself but it really depends on the version of diabetes you have. Type 1: <Which version> and Type 2 act very different on these. Friend of mine is Type 1 and he has noticed little to no change no matter what he vapes and he is considered a brittle diabetic.

Only thing I can say to do is get to a base line level, 100 to 110 is usually really good, and then vape for a few minutes, give it 20 minutes, test and see if there is a major jump. If there is, you have a closer answer for this question but really the only way to tell is to have a constant test of your blood sugar and the effect of the VG/PG on your system.

 

[T0rtitude]

I wouldn't think it would have any effect. The easiest way to know for sure is to start vaping and check your bg immediately before vaping, 15 min after, 1 hour after, 2 hours after. Be sure not to eat or exercise while doing a trial. As long as you eliminate most variables while testing your bg, you should have a reliable answer.

ETA: My knowledge of diabetes extends as far as T1. My knowledge of T2 and the effects of how any calorie is metabolized into glucose is less. The easiest way to know how anyone's body will react is still to check bg often.

 

[Robino1]

I thought I should mention this because someone had posted a while back that their bloodsugar was doing some crazy jumps. It turns out he forgot to was his hands before checking and had some on his fingers. Just an FYI to make sure your hands are free from any eliquid.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

Thank you, everyone here makes this transition much easier.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

That I didn't think of great tip ! Thank you

I thought I should mention this because someone had posted a while back that their bloodsugar was doing some crazy jumps. It turns out he forgot to was his hands before checking and had some on his fingers. Just an FYI to make sure your hands are free from any eliquid.