They aren't giving you the recipe for the love of holy things.
Does a wine with a "nutty finish" actually have nuts in it?
Yeeesh!
diacetyl....I cant post anywhere else
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They aren't giving you the recipe for the love of holy things.
Does a wine with a "nutty finish" actually have nuts in it?
Yeeesh!
I don't believe I asked for a recipe list. Since they use Flavourart exclusively, the Flavourart caramel contains diacetyl, and the RY4 description says it contains caramel flavors, it only follows that someone might assume there was diacetyl in the RY4 unless they clarified where the caramel flavoring comes from.
Did that question really warrant such a response? Is it offensive in some way to ask for clarification?
"Yeeesh" is right!
Considering the vendor stated that the RY4 did not contain diacetyl, I think it's safe to say that caramel flavoring isn't used.
You could of course mail them yourself and ask. Yet again. For an answer. Without continuing to Astroturf the issue.
I have done so previously. And based on my experience I don't think it's "safe to say" anything. I was offering my input to the OP because it is something she is actually concerned about. I'm simply not going to get into an e-debate with you, or anyone else about this.
So your experience would indicate that you have been lied to? I think you should really just come out and say what you mean- rather than dancing around the topic.
I've tried to be really careful with this and I'm going to continue to do so. If it seems like I'm dancing around anything it's because I simply don't want to drag anyone through the mud or point fingers.
Yes, I received an email that turned out to be false reassurance. I explained it all in earlier diacetyl threads. But whether or not it was an outright lie? I'm hesistant to accuse anyone of that. Especially a supplier so many people love. Maybe they simply didn't have the information at the time. However, as my direct questions about it were never addressed, or even acknowledged, I will remember to ask for clarification when I am not clear on something -- RY4 containing caramel flavoring, for example. And I will give that input to someone else who is concerned about it.
Just because someone says it doesn't, this does not mean it is true, Cozz. By the way, sorry I missed you at the MI vapers meet.....Grandson's Baptism. So wanted to go.
Has he publicly posted and said that the caramel he uses is not FA? The more quiet he is, the more suspect he is.
I am not saying the FA is gonna hurt you in the small amount that is in the juice. What I am saying is we should have a FREEDOM of CHOICE. Harmful ingredients no matter how small they are should be posted.
Has he publicly posted and said that the caramel he uses is not FA? The more quiet he is, the more suspect he is.
I am not saying the FA is gonna hurt you in the small amount that is in the juice. What I am saying is we should have a FREEDOM of CHOICE. Harmful ingredients no matter how small they are should be posted.
Ok everyone, since I am the one that originally posted this, i will copy and paste the communication that went on between us. I didnt specifically ask about the carmel flavoring, I didnt even think of that. I just asked about the specific flavours. Here is a c and p of what was said.
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Would there be any chance of a basic disclosure list going up on your website, or a note on the ordering page, of which of your specialty flavors include the diacetyl-containing flavors? It's relatively easy for me to avoid the pre-mixed that appear to just be a blend of pg nic juice + vg + FA flavoring that I wish to avoid, but w/out asking you to divulge any part of your recipes, how do you recommend one cross-checks your specialty-mixes?
For instance, I may assume that french toast is a blend of maple syrup + egg + milk or cream + bread crust, and therefore avoid it. But something like banana-strawberry is less clear. There's a creamy note that many notice, but milk or cream is not listed in the description nor suggested in the title. Additionally, as noted on the boards, butter and vanilla are two flavors that can be used to round out some flavors - even flavors you wouldn't associate with butter or vanilla. There's no way to cross-check via my own due diligence.
I realize you are concerned with giving out your recipes due to competition concerns, but I'd love to know how to handle the 40 or 50 little bottles of miscellaneous juices I have here without throwing the baby out with the bathwater, as they say.
For instance, I may assume that french toast is a blend of maple syrup + egg + milk or cream + bread crust, and therefore avoid it. But something like banana-strawberry is less clear. There's a creamy note that many notice, but milk or cream is not listed in the description nor suggested in the title. Additionally, as noted on the boards, butter and vanilla are two flavors that can be used to round out some flavors - even flavors you wouldn't associate with butter or vanilla. There's no way to cross-check via my own due diligence.
I realize you are concerned with giving out your recipes due to competition concerns, but I'd love to know how to handle the 40 or 50 little bottles of miscellaneous juices I have here without throwing the baby out with the bathwater, as they say.
Thank you for that link. Well, it's a sure bet the Hopscotch has it, as well as my other favorites Almond Joy and Butterscotch. Sounds like pretty much all the sweet flavors has it...... and probably the pure tobacco flavors do not.
I personally find all the hype about dieactyl just that, hype. next time you fill your gas tank make sure you don't breathe while filling it. Do you know that benzyne is in gas. do you know what benzyne is? It is a man-made chemical. It is called the Benzyne ring because of its chemical structure. It is the only chemical that goes directly to the brain and never leaves, slowly killing brain cells. Benzyne is also the only man made chemical that has no break down life, it never leaves the earth.
So, there are plenty of things we can all scare ourselves over. I think there enough threads all over the place discussing this issue that we don't need more of them so let's let this one drop please.
David
So, there are plenty of things we can all scare ourselves over. I think there enough threads all over the place discussing this issue that we don't need more of them so let's let this one drop please.
David
I'm not trying to make a big deal about it, I'm trying to decide which juices I want to vape. Whether you're concerned about it isn't really the issue.
But I'll take your answer as a rather emphatic no. Thanks. Glad to know where you stand on disclosure.
I personally find all the hype about dieactyl just that, hype. next time you fill your gas tank make sure you don't breathe while filling it. Do you know that benzyne is in gas. do you know what benzyne is? It is a man-made chemical. It is called the Benzyne ring because of its chemical structure. It is the only chemical that goes directly to the brain and never leaves, slowly killing brain cells. Benzyne is also the only man made chemical that has no break down life, it never leaves the earth.
So, there are plenty of things we can all scare ourselves over. I think there enough threads all over the place discussing this issue that we don't need more of them so let's let this one drop please.
David
Also you better stop having those barbecues because it has heterocyclic amines and carcinogens in it that cause cancer too. The air you breathe in the cities is bad. You can enjoy life or live like Howard Hughes did. Think of all the chemicals you cut out when you stopped smoking.
So, there are plenty of things we can all scare ourselves over. I think there enough threads all over the place discussing this issue that we don't need more of them so let's let this one drop please.
David
Also you better stop having those barbecues because it has heterocyclic amines and carcinogens in it that cause cancer too. The air you breathe in the cities is bad. You can enjoy life or live like Howard Hughes did. Think of all the chemicals you cut out when you stopped smoking.
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ok folks we are done here. thanks for everyone's input on the subject. There are plenty of other threads about it out there so please feel free to chime in on the other ones.
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