"Did the FDA Just Hand the E-Cigarette Market to Big Tobacco?"

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Did the FDA Just Hand the E-Cigarette Market to Big tobacco?

By Ted Cooper, Motley Fool, May 12, 2014

Altria Group (NYSE: MO ) , Reynolds American (NYSE: RAI ) , and Lorillard (NYSE: LO ) combine for a 91.5% share of the U.S. cigarette market. This concentration of market power gives these companies pricing power that enables them to keep growing their profits even as the cigarette market declines. E-cigarettes are the only product that could threaten the cigarette oligopoly, but proposed Food & Drug Administration, or FDA, rules may have just created an e-cigarette oligopoly dominated by Altria, Reynolds, and Lorillard. This is terrific news for the big three U.S. tobacco companies and their shareholders.

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Well vuse is playing right into the regulations already.

https://mobile.vusevapor.com/FooterLinks/ProductFAQs

What does the "vapor" in "Digital Vapor Cigarettes" reference?
VUSE products produce vapor, not smoke. They do not burn tobacco, but rather, heat liquid containing nicotine derived from tobacco.

Are VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarettes considered tobacco products?
Yes. Because VUSE products contain tobacco-derived nicotine, they meet the definition of tobacco products under the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act. The Food and Drug Administration has stated its intent to regulate these types of products as tobacco prOducts.

Are VUSE products for quitting smoking?
No. The VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarette is not a smoking cessation product. It is a tobacco product, and no tobacco product is safe or without risk. The best course of action for tobacco consumers concerned about their health is to quit. VUSE presents an alternative for adult smokers who may be interested in switching to a smoke- free tobacco product. The VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarette offers many advantages over a traditional cigarette that adult tobacco consumers may find attractive--there's no ash and no burning odor. For adult tobacco consumers who have made the informed decision to continue using tobacco products and are looking for an alternative to traditional cigarettes, VUSE is another option to consider.Can I use non-VUSE Cartridges with the VUSE PowerUnit?
No. VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarettes include proprietary encryption technology that does not permit any non-VUSE Cartridges to be used with VUSE PowerUnits. This ensures our adult tobacco consumers enjoy high quality and superior vapor experience - without risk of counterfeit or substandard cartridges. VUSE Cartridges are only compatible with VUSE products.

Can I use VUSE Cartridges with non-VUSE power units?
No. VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarettes include proprietary encryption technology that does not permit any other E-Cigarette to be used with VUSE Cartridges.

Are VUSE Cartridges tamper-resistant?
Yes. VUSE Cartridges are designed to prevent modification by consumers.
 

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Why can't I purchase VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarettes or Cartridges online like other e-cigarette manufacturers?
In an effort to counter the potential for online purchases of vapor products by minors, R.J. Reynolds Vapor Company does not offer VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarettes for sale online. Reynolds American and its operating companies are committed to youth tobacco prevention, and we believe face-to-face sales allow greater security against youth access to tobacco products, as clerks can check IDs. Furthermore, adult tobacco consumers are accustomed to purchasing tobacco products at traditional retail stores. Therefore, we are focusing distribution of our products through traditional retail outlets to minimize potential out-of-stock situations.
 

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This is why the right is no just with the FDA. If under the act it's a tobacco

From the ukvapor site.

In order to undertake this review it has been necessary to understand that in recent years a new method of nicotine consumption has become available. In this respect it is important to bear in mind that the recreational use of nicotine, by adults, is not an illegal act.

In fact the recreational consumption of nicotine is aligned with the other legally sanctioned drugs, caffeine and ethanol (ethyl alcohol) or simply ‘alcohol’.

More at http://ukvapers.org/Announcement-EPHA-report-briefing-Dec-2013
 
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Can I use non-VUSE Cartridges with the VUSE PowerUnit?
No. VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarettes include proprietary encryption technology that does not permit any non-VUSE Cartridges to be used with VUSE PowerUnits. This ensures our adult tobacco consumers enjoy high quality and superior vapor experience - without risk of counterfeit or substandard cartridges. VUSE Cartridges are only compatible with VUSE products.

Can I use VUSE Cartridges with non-VUSE power units?
No. VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarettes include proprietary encryption technology that does not permit any other E-Cigarette to be used with VUSE Cartridges.

Are VUSE Cartridges tamper-resistant?
Yes. VUSE Cartridges are designed to prevent modification by consumers.

I suspect the FDA require this type of technology to protect the profits, er I mean, to protect consumers, particularly students, Get busy and get those extension requests sent in to Zeller and the FDA BEFORE this is all that will be left of the world of vaping. Remember, Big Tobacco is now your friend. <cynicism all mine>
 

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Why can't I purchase VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarettes or Cartridges online like other e-cigarette manufacturers?
In an effort to counter the potential for online purchases of vapor products by minors, R.J. Reynolds Vapor Company does not offer VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarettes for sale online. Reynolds American and its operating companies are committed to youth tobacco prevention, and we believe face-to-face sales allow greater security against youth access to tobacco products, as clerks can check IDs. Furthermore, adult tobacco consumers are accustomed to purchasing tobacco products at traditional retail stores. Therefore, we are focusing distribution of our products through traditional retail outlets to minimize potential out-of-stock situations.

You have to admit, they do know how to sling it. Translated- we own the traditional retail outlets and if we close down the internet and the b&Ms, we own the market. Besides, we know America's youths from established vendors.how to negotiate getting what they want
 

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Another thread talked about being proactive. I think vapors should be proactive in eliminating cig a likes from BT. I've bee reading about how the big three are dividing the market already. I'm waiting for BT to call for tighter restrictions because those pesky vapers are dangerous for public Health
 
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Eliminating cigalikes would eliminate fears of "renormalizing smoking". I wouldn't miss them. I think the market would be better off without them. I've met people who have tried Blu or some other cigalike and felt so ripped off, disappointed, whatever that they wouldn't consider trying a real ecig. It took me 2 years to consider them again after trying a convienence store brand.

I wouldn't mind seeing a boycott since I think a lot of the current reccomendations were ok'd by them. They bought in late, token "place holder" companies and sat around waiting for this. They contibuted 0 financing, 0 productive r&d, negative advertising and business practices. I can guarentee you that they have no interest in the equip customers want or what works. They don't have to with a monopoly;

NJOY executives like to mock the more exotic efforts. “An e-cigarette that doesn’t look like a cigarette, but looks like a silver tube with a white light at the end, is anything but an exquisite experience,” said Roy Anise, NJOY’s executive vice president in charge of sales, who came to the company from Philip Morris, the tobacco company whose parent is Altria. Mr. Anise worked in the tobacco industry for 24 years, eventually in the division that sold smokeless products.

Mr. Kessler said. “The big idea isn’t to try to keep people in cigarettes, but to normalize smoking e-cigarettes and vaping as the next generation.”
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/10/2...stry-waiting-to-exhale.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0

What if there's a huge uptick in cigatette smoking once the full effects hit the market? How will the FDA / CDC spin those results - and they will spin it such that it's not related to the regulations.
 
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Another thread talked about being proactive. I think vapors should be proactive in eliminating cig a likes from BT. I've bee reading about how the big three are dividing the market already. I'm waiting for BT to call for tighter restrictions because those pesky vapers are dangerous for public Health

They're also dangerous, specifically the ones on ECF, to their client base. I'm sure that BT and BP have pretty well concluded that very little will change as long as the vaping industry stays in the hands of BT. Smokers may alternate between cigalikes and Pharma's snake oil then return too their best friend when the alternatives don't work. Everyone will be happy and live happily ever after. The End
 

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They're also dangerous, specifically the ones on ECF, to their client base. I'm sure that BT and BP have pretty well concluded that very little will change as long as the vaping industry stays in the hands of BT. Smokers may alternate between cigalikes and Pharma's snake oil then return too their best friend when the alternatives don't work. Everyone will be happy and live happily ever after. The End

The economic anaylsis stated that less product on the market, less consumer choice did not equal a reduction in the volume of sales. We're addicted. We are captive consumers.

That's the way cable companies, etc. look at the market too. That's why there's no need for competition / consumer choice anymore.
 

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It looks like NJoy changed their mind.

hxxp://www.cspnet.com/category-management-news-data/tobacco-news-data/articles/new-njoy-products-will-bring-vape-national

Couldn't use APV, it was already taken and their product is so much better. It's always desperation that drives evolution when profits start to dry up.
 

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Why can't I purchase VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarettes or Cartridges online like other e-cigarette manufacturers?
In an effort to counter the potential for online purchases of vapor products by minors, R.J. Reynolds Vapor Company does not offer VUSE Digital Vapor Cigarettes for sale online. Reynolds American and its operating companies are committed to youth tobacco prevention, and we believe face-to-face sales allow greater security against youth access to tobacco products, as clerks can check IDs. Furthermore, adult tobacco consumers are accustomed to purchasing tobacco products at traditional retail stores. Therefore, we are focusing distribution of our products through traditional retail outlets to minimize potential out-of-stock situations.

Un:censored:believable..... :facepalm:
 
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