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No stock atomizer will perform well at 10 watts--they can't wick fast enough to keep the coil cool. Everything will taste pretty awful at that wattage. Cartos were designed to be vaped around 5-6 watts; Kanger's recommendations for their clearos is 5.5-7.5 watts. That's why you can't get a good vape from your toppers. If you want to vape at 10+ watts you'll have to go to RBAs.
 

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I use both carto tanks (with Boge LR cartomizers) and Kanger BCCs (all of them) at ~6-6.5 watts myself and I'm pretty happy with the vape quality. I use eGo-C Twists, Sigelei Zmax mini and ProVari.

Give it a try. In my experience, fruit and other delicate flavors and desserts prefer cooler temps (5.5-6W); tobaccos and coffees taste better at higher wattages (6-7 W). YMMV. Good luck!
 

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So is lower resistance better?

Resistance doesn't matter much is you have a variable voltage device as you can adjust the voltage to suit your taste. That said, I prefer 2.2-2.5Ω atomizers for my vv batteries. I find them to be the most versatile and easy to work with.
 

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Disclaimer: This is the most simplistic explanation and is addressed to new vapers mostly or vapers who are happy within the recommended "just right" power zone (4.5-8 watts). If you are using dual coil atomizers or are interested in high wattage vaping, it's a different conversation altogether. :) You will also have to understand the concept of amp limits and how it applies to high power vaping.

Ohm's Law as it pertains to vaping is really not that complicated--and it's very useful when you want to know what you're doing.

Voltage and wattage are often misunderstood by new vapers. Wattage is the power (heat, sweet spot) that your PV (battery and atomizer) generates. Wattage = Voltage (of your battery) squared divided by Resistance (Ω) of your atomizer [P=V[SUP]2[/SUP]/R]. If you're not good at math, don't worry, use this easy calculator:

Online Conversion - Ohm's Law Calculator

Of course, if you own a VW (variable wattage) device, you don't really need this calculator because your device will do the math for you.

The wattage you want, especially at the beginning of your vaping career, should be somewhere between 4.5 and 8.5 Watts. Anything lower than 4.5 watts may not vaporize your juice properly and will not produce enough warmth and vapor. Anything above 8.5 watts increases the risk of burning the filler in your cartomizers (if you're using them) and even some juices, especially the delicate ones.

There are, of course, other variables, like eliquid and JDD (juice delivery devices) that you're using on your batteries. Seven watts on a filler type cartomizer may feel different than the same 7 watts on a fillerless clearomizer or a dripping atomizer. The same is true for different eliquids; tobaccos, chocolate and coffees generally require more wattage (heat), while fruit and other delicate flavors do better with less heat. Everyone's sweet spot is different--those are just very general guidelines.

Experiment and you'll find your own bliss in no time!

The chart below is a good guide to safe vaping, even though some think it's a bit conservative.

e-cigarette-volts-ohms-watts.png
 

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If you look at the above chat you'll also notice at the upper level of each green section is about 8 watts, some times a little more. I "set it and forget it" at 7 watts. Sometimes I'll bump it up to 7.5 watts. However, when I do, I try not to chain vape as my Protank -as others said- does need to wick. Often I'll take a small tiny puff to help wick. Then I'll take may normal 4-5 second pull.

As a side note: I try to keep my protank topped off. They work on gravity and pressure and I don't want little gurgles.
 

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If you look at the above chat you'll also notice at the upper level of each green section is about 8 watts, some times a little more. I "set it and forget it" at 7 watts. Sometimes I'll bump it up to 7.5 watts. However, when I do, I try not to chain vape as my Protank -as others said- does need to wick. Often I'll take a small tiny puff to help wick. Then I'll take may normal 4-5 second pull.

As a side note: I try to keep my protank topped off. They work on gravity and pressure and I don't want little gurgles.

They gurgle when there is liquid in the center air tube, mostly. It's a good idea to occasionally dry the condensation from that tube and from the mouthpiece. Inhalation technique is also critical--slow, long daws are preferable to quick, sharp ones. It's important to allow the juice to travel to the atomizer chamber--don't over vape, power vape, chain vape!
 

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The Aspire BDC Vivi Nova tank is a awesome bottom changeable dual coil tank.! It can handle 15 watts and vapes up a storm. If you want even more more more, then start researching rba's and rda's. re-buildable atomizers and re-buildable drip atomizers. Many like cartos, I am just not one of them. I've found my thrill on blueberry h.... um with rba's.

Although, if a caro isn't primed correctly it can lead to frustration, or so I've read.
 

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:blush::blush::blush::blush::blush:I didn't know that. Will a lower wattage give a good vape hit? The lady at the vape store said I could...hmmm..

In my experience every single head and liquid is s little different.
There can also be quite a difference in a 'fresh' head and one I've been vaping on for several tanks.

With stock CE style tanks/cartos...I rarely go over 7 or 8 watts...even on the ones I've re-wicked with SS. I like to run them as low as possible (for better battery life).

Yes...you can get a good hit...alot of it can have to do with your draw style (air flow).

The key isn't just 'more heat'...the key is finding a good balance between heat, air flow, and the wicking action.
 
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So is lower resistance better?

Maybe, maybe not.

The best is a system that is balanced so that liquid is reaching the coil and vaping without issue.

Too fast of a wick without enough heat can lead to sputtering vaper, flooding, etc.

Too much heat without enough wick action can lead to dry hits, burnt tastes, etc.

All that can vary depending on how hard/fast you pull air through it, and how deeply you take it into your lungs (if at all).

For years now I've enjoyed 2.5 to 3 Ohm tanks for all day pacifier style vaping...For a bit more throat hit, I do use a little higher nic liquids than I would for a 'high performance' set-up intended to give me a 'quick' 30 second 'nicotine buzz'. (too much nicotine and my throat tingles a bit...as if eating too much black pepper...dry mouth...etc).

Again...the most important thing is finding a heat to wick ratio that suits your draw style.

One benefit to my higher Ohm/cooler coils is I don't burn through as much liquid...even with longer slow draws.

One benefit to my hotter low res coils...I can take really short puffs and get a nice little cloud of vapor. With longer draws on the hotter setups...I tend to burn through more eLiquid at a faster rate.

In any case...it has MUCH to do with the liquid in your tank (nic and vg/pg ratio), and your draw style.
Some will perform/taste better (subjective) in a hotter/faster system...others in the slower/cooler system.
 
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The Aspire BDC Vivi Nova tank is a awesome bottom changeable dual coil tank.! It can handle 15 watts and vapes up a storm. If you want even more more more, then start researching rba's and rda's. re-buildable atomizers and re-buildable drip atomizers. Many like cartos, I am just not one of them. I've found my thrill on blueberry h.... um with rba's.

Although, if a caro isn't primed correctly it can lead to frustration, or so I've read.

Not really--it's a dual coil atomizer, which means it consists of two coils configured in parallel--a 1.8Ω aspire atomizer is made out of two 3.6Ω coils. You're actually vaping at 7.5 watts when your wattage reads 15W. ;)
 
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