Diethylene Glycol: Not so bad?

[Wally]

Have a look at this study on DEG inhalation in rats:

http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/38/2/143.pdf

From my reading, the *inhalation* of small amounts of DEG is likely not problematic. Read it and see what you think about the issue in terms of your own use of e-cigs. (I am not mentioning the TSNA's, because that issue is ridiculous compared to smoking tobacco or, for that matter, eating salami.) I am leaving out, of course, the huge political problem that the FDA announcement has caused. Very, very unfortunate! It also does not excuse the miserable quality control by many of the manufacturers behing these products. The batteries, atomizers and switches alone tell the story of quality control all by themselves. We have no reason to believe that the fluids are any better, I think. Retailers and distributors need to lean very hard on their suppliers in China about all this.

My apologies if this study has already been called to the Forum's attention.

Wally

 

[TheIllustratedMan]

That study is about Diethylene Glycol Monoethyl Ether, which to the best of my knowledge is different from Diethylene Glycol. It gets confusing, because it seems that there are many compounds that are all similar in molecular structure (give or take a few molecules), but have widely varied functions and toxicology.
The issue really isn't whether DEG is safe. The issue is more the alarmist way that its (possible anomalous) detection was reported. If there had been a thorough study done and it was found that SE (or anyone) was categorically adding DEG into their liquid, and the FDA had calmly reported that, along with the specific health hazards of DEG, this would be an entirely different discussion.

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Not knocking your effort. Good job! Keep up the good fight.

 

[Doqtor]

What's the point anyway? Only one provider had Diethylene Glycol in the mix and we can buy from tons of places that do not have it.

Why worry about it if we don't have to use it?

 

[Boston George]

Doqtor the implication is that any manufacturer could be putting poison in the juice. Most of us dont have labs to test what we smoke so we must take it on faith. If there was a deadly batch of carts how long would it take for consumers to be alerted?

Now, I dont really buy into the sensationalism but thats the fear they are trying to sow

 

[TropicalBob]

It speaks loudly and directly to a lack of quality control, which the FDA slammed as poor or non-existent. The amount likely means little; the fact that it exists in even one cartridge speaks volumes about our ignorance of production methods.

 

[Doqtor]

Doqtor the implication is that any manufacturer could be putting poison in the juice. Most of us dont have labs to test what we smoke so we must take it on faith. If there was a deadly batch of carts how long would it take for consumers to be alerted?

Now, I dont really buy into the sensationalism but thats the fear they are trying to sow

I understand where you are coming from but there's places who make their own juice and list all ingredients. I guess I feel like people are trying to defend things they have no need to.

 

[TheIllustratedMan]

In general, I look at it this way:

One batch of Skippy peanut butter is found to contain a contaminant. That batch is recalled, taken off shelves, and consumers are urged to check their batch numbers for a certain range and return unused portions for a full refund, sorry about the problems, buy more Skippy.
The FDA doesn't suddenly shut down the whole peanut butter industry.
So, yes, quality control, regulations on what exactly can be in the liquid (preferably as little as possible), even requirements that the nicotine be synthetic. It's all good stuff. My point was just that the tone and tact of the announcement are being debated and fought against, not the safety of DEG.

 

[Doqtor]

In general, I look at it this way:

One batch of Skippy peanut butter is found to contain a contaminant. That batch is recalled, taken off shelves, and consumers are urged to check their batch numbers for a certain range and return unused portions for a full refund, sorry about the problems, buy more Skippy.
The FDA doesn't suddenly shut down the whole peanut butter industry.
So, yes, quality control, regulations on what exactly can be in the liquid (preferably as little as possible), even requirements that the nicotine be synthetic. It's all good stuff. My point was just that the tone and tact of the announcement are being debated and fought against, not the safety of DEG.

Very good points.

 

[syntaxevasion]

Was just about to post this, nice find, Wally