Differentiation between "vaping" & "quitting"

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stols001

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Yeah I think the vaping is harmless thing can be pushed a bit to far. I understand the VAST amount of harm reduction and so far, vaping has been proven to be relatively benign compared to smoking, but until there are some really big longitudinal studies done, it's going to be hard to say.

I mean, look at hormone replacement therapy during menopause. For a while there, it was like "Everyone is doing it." Then, the longitudinal study came out via the NIH and there was an artifact, namely "Women who were trying hormone replacement visit their doctors more and take better care of their health generally," and it was SEVERE enough of an artifact that doctors dropped that like hot potatoes, etc.

And in theory it makes sense right, I mean the majority of female heart attacks take place AFTER menopause, so like, extending hormone use should-- in theory-- extend the health benefits only it did exactly the opposite.

Sometimes I wish life were as uncomplicated as-- in theory-- but it's just not. Also anything new i.e. thalidomide can be used abundantly and then, well, things all of a sudden turn out terrifying and like, thalidomide can be quite useful in some cancers (usually occurring in later life) but good luck obtaining it as a treatment. Some things just get such a "name" for themselves, well, any good they might offer is like, unlikely.

Also, used to be you could get birth control like by walking in and proclaiming "I am female!" but it's actually SO dangerous to smokers, you'd pretty much have to buy it illegally if you are over 30, and fortunately the copper IUD is back in style, now that they figured out it was a particular manufacturer, not actually IUDs that were the problem.

We're always working with a bunch of new information, although I do like to remind myself that vaping is way more safer in my opinion because I also believe in the placebo effect.

Even more do I believe that longitudinal studies can and should be done on vapers and etc. Because it's gonna be a while. I hope someone's planning one soon, but I have no idea.

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I never leave for work without at least 3 vapes and two charger cables. I have had four mods die on me in the last two weeks. I am paranoid about this because I will smoke if I don't have a working mod with me - and cigarettes really do taste terrible to me now.

I started at 24mg and have been at 12mg since January. I am a mtl, low wattage vaper I don't sub-ohm. I wonder whether reducing my nic further is a good idea?
 

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IDK honestly. Maybe try it in a few tanks but not all of them? That's kind of a personal decision but if it were me trying it (and I do plan to try it again at some point but I'm BARELY straggling away from my little dual use episode there and about to enter a ton of stress, I mean, I'm scared to put a banner up that is how tenuous it seems) but like if you feel ready, you feel ready. IDK, if/when I try again, I plan to have a couple high nic tanks with me in case I freak out or whatnot etc.

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''To say vaping is harmless is not accurate''.

The jury is still out on that one. Unless i've missed a study that conclusively proves that inhaling e-liquid courses any long term harm to a real live person. Thus far it's all conjecture.
I'm still waiting for that report that proves vaping is beneficial to health. (not joking)
 

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Just a year into vaping and knowing for sure that if your mods don't work you definitely would smoke? I personally think it's to soon to start thinking about lowering. ..
I never leave for work without at least 3 vapes and two charger cables. I have had four mods die on me in the last two weeks. I am paranoid about this because I will smoke if I don't have a working mod with me - and cigarettes really do taste terrible to me now.

I started at 24mg and have been at 12mg since January. I am a mtl, low wattage vaper I don't sub-ohm. I wonder whether reducing my nic further is a good idea?

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... and i can't stand the smell of cigarettes now.
This. Times 10.

2 weeks ago, I helped an old lady at the supermarket to carry her grocery bags across the street where she lived. I had to keep several feet distance from her, because she had a REALLY bad body odor. I asked myself what someone would have to do in order to stink so badly, but then it dawned on me .. that was the smell of old sweaty people sitting in an unventilated room full of tobacco smoke. That smell was so bad, it was almost vomit inducing.

There is no way in hell I will ever go back to that again.

I might have been, or still be, somehow addicted to nic (respectively, the act of inhaling it), but since I don't need it in order to live, I'd rather spend a slightly uncomfortable night, waiting till the vape shop opens up next day, than ever smelling like that poisonous garbage again.

I'm still waiting for that report that proves vaping is beneficial to health. (not joking)
In at least 1 way, it is beneficial to a person's health: constantly inhaling against a dragging force, strengthens our ability to breathe. People who have respiratory illnesses often get prescriptions for devices to do exactly that as a part of their continuous treatment.
 
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I never really wanted to quit smoking. I really enjoyed it. However, it was killing me. So I needed to do something. Vape was the solution. I'm not cutting back. I'm not weaning off. Because I don't want to quit.

Really the only time this ever comes up in conversation, it's some hardcore ex-smoker that has to rationalize his/her existence by finding some way to elevate their sacrifice and hardship over someone like me that is cheating and not really quitting. So I just tell them quitters never win LOL.

I really don't care what people think.
 

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Hate to be "that guy" but although vaping is less harmful then smoking it is still healthier to do neither. To say vaping is harmless is not accurate.
Neither is drinking coffee, or adult beverages, or eating many of the foods we consume, but we do them anyway, because we enjoy these things.
 
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I never leave for work without at least 3 vapes and two charger cables. I have had four mods die on me in the last two weeks.
It sounds like you have not chosen your mods wisely. ;)

In 4-1/2 years, I've had precisely one that failed in a manner that I couldn't correct on the spot.

That said, I do take two when I'm going further than an hour from home because I understand the possibility still exists, and like you, I'm not sure I'd have the resolve to refrain from smoking if I couldn't vape.

I started at 24mg and have been at 12mg since January. I am a mtl, low wattage vaper I don't sub-ohm. I wonder whether reducing my nic further is a good idea?
People are different. Some have no trouble cutting back on nic, others do. I'm in the latter camp. The only way to find out is to try. Just keep some juice at a nic level you know is sufficient to satisfy handy just in case.
 
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I never leave for work without at least 3 vapes and two charger cables. I have had four mods die on me in the last two weeks. I am paranoid about this because I will smoke if I don't have a working mod with me - and cigarettes really do taste terrible to me now.

I started at 24mg and have been at 12mg since January. I am a mtl, low wattage vaper I don't sub-ohm. I wonder whether reducing my nic further is a good idea?
If you do drop again get some 6 and mix half/half with your 12 in a separate bottle so instead of a huge drop from 12 to 6 you drop to 9. If you find that too dramatic you've still got some 12 to fall back on until you're ready to try again.

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