Dimwits in Congress...

[Letitia]

UPS?

When USPS was restricted from delivery of tobacco the private carriers followed suit of their own accord.

 

[LoveVanilla]

Coffee is next on the list...

 

[Letitia]

Coffee is next on the list...

Only in CA.

 

[zoiDman]

UPS?

The way I Read it (now) is that it would Only Apply to the USPS.

But my Track Record in this Thread is 0 - 1. So I'll let someone else Chime in on it.

 

[zoiDman]

When USPS was restricted from delivery of tobacco the private carriers followed suit of their own accord.

UPS and Fed-Ex does Cigars and Pipe Tobacco. And as far as I know, USPS does Pipe Tobacco currently.

 

[Letitia]

UPS and Fed-Ex does Cigars and Pipe Tobacco. And as far as I know, USPS does Pipe Tobacco currently.

But they won't deliver cigarettes which vaping is associated with.

 

[zoiDman]

But they won't deliver cigarettes which vaping is associated with.

That's hard to say?

If FDA PMTA-ed e-Cigarettes and Refill Cartridges are going to be allowed to be Sold via the Internet, I'm sure that UPS and Fed-Ex would like the business of Shipping them.

 

[puffon]

But they won't deliver cigarettes which vaping is associated with.

Many nic suppliers ship UPS though.
Snus are also shipped UPS.

 

[Letitia]

That's hard to say?

If FDA PMTA-ed e-Cigarettes and Refill Cartridges are going to be allowed to be Sold via the Internet, I'm sure that UPS and Fed-Ex would like the business of Shipping them.

Somewhere in your link is a clause allowing for delivery of approved nicotine delivery systems.

 

[Letitia]

Many nic suppliers ship UPS though.
Snus are also shipped UPS.

Nic suppliers may be exempt but will have to apply the added tax. Guessing congress will have some restrictions coming our way about nic purchases as well.

 

[zoiDman]

Somewhere in your link is a clause allowing for delivery of approved nicotine delivery systems.

There is this...

“(C) does not include a product that is—

“(i) approved by the Food and Drug Administration for—

“(I) sale as a tobacco cessation product; or

“(II) any other therapeutic purpose; and

“(ii) marketed and sold solely for a purpose described in clause (i).”

Text - H.R.3942 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Preventing Online Sales of E-Cigarettes to Children Act

But that sound like it would Only apply to something like a Nicotine Patch. Or maybe Nicotine Gum and or Spray.

 

[Letitia]

There is this...

“(C) does not include a product that is—

“(i) approved by the Food and Drug Administration for—

“(I) sale as a tobacco cessation product; or

“(II) any other therapeutic purpose; and

“(ii) marketed and sold solely for a purpose described in clause (i).”

Text - H.R.3942 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Preventing Online Sales of E-Cigarettes to Children Act

But that sound like it would Only apply to something like a Nicotine Patch. Or maybe Nicotine Gum and or Spray.

Not after deeming. There will be some closed systems approved I suspect. Those will be allowed to ship via USPS. Honestly I'm thinking the inhaled nic spray will be BP next big thing and closed vapor systems from BT of course. Snus just don't deliver on the entire habit of smoking or vaping. In my mind their usefulness is limited to short term uses like work, traveling, etc..

 

[zoiDman]

Not after deeming. There will be some closed systems approved I suspect. Those will be allowed to ship via USPS. Honestly I'm thinking the inhaled nic spray will be BP next big thing and closed vapor systems from BT of course. Snus just don't deliver on the entire habit of smoking or vaping. In my mind their usefulness is limited to short term uses like work, traveling, etc..

Maybe there is some Other exemption?

But if it is just a PMTA-ed e-Cigarette, I Don't think it is going to satisfy that "Tobacco Cessation" or "Therapeutic Purpose" wording

 

[puffon]

USPS will also lose lot's of daily vape mail revenue.

 

[Letitia]

Maybe there is some Other exemption?

But if it is just a PMTA-ed e-Cigarette, I Don't think it is going to satisfy that "Tobacco Cessation" or "Therapeutic Purpose" wording

I do believe that will be relaxed in some fashion after deeming. They want open systems off the market period. Once that's accomplished they'll humbly backpedal on products that they can tax higher. Those that vape open systems just don't generate enough money for them or the states. Plus healthier people live longer and drain the retirement benefits longer.

 

[Letitia]

USPS will also lose lot's of daily vape mail revenue.

We are a mere drop in that bucket.

 

[WorksForMe]

I do believe that will be relaxed in some fashion after deeming. They want open systems off the market period. Once that's accomplished they'll humbly backpedal on products that they can tax higher. Those that vape open systems just don't generate enough money for them or the states. Plus healthier people live longer and drain the retirement benefits longer.

If this bill passes, I don't think they will backpedal. Governments at all levels want e-cigs sold at brick and mortor stores only. They're far easier to tax that way.

I don't know if anybody else has noticed, but this bill is an amendment to the Jenkins Act. The PACT Act is also an amendment to the Jenkins Act.

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[Letitia]

That is of course possible. Thinking there won't be enough products approved to keep shops open so online sales will be allowed from approved vendors who will charge a state tax.

 

[440BB]

If this passes the Senate and becomes law we'll have 90 days before it takes effect from what I gather.

No more cheap shipping for a couple coils or drip tips, if shipping is even possible. Wow.

 

[Horselady154]

Just remember. It's "for the children". It has nothing whatsoever to do with lining some politicians' pockets.