Discussion on coil dry/flooded and taste (Delta II by Joyetech)

[PostmasterG]

I need your help plz!

So here it is. I have been using this Delta II tank for about 1 week now and I can't seem to get it right!
Basically what happens is that regardless of coil ohms and wattage setting, I have to "get my tank going (lol)" before it tastes good and not burny.
Right now I have in a 1.2ohm coil and am at about 14W (earlier today was at about 10W). The first like 4 draws seem to have a burnt taste and not very enjoyable.
After that, it starts to taste better, then fine, then good. So this makes me think that the wick is working well since after I get it going it doesn't taste bad at all.
The longer I let it sit, the longer it takes to get it to taste good again. I have tried the airhole at 100, 75, 50, and about 10% open. Taking deep draws.

Does a flooded coil taste burnt?
Do the wicks that are not working well need to get heated up to be able to wick properly?
Is my wick drying out because I keep the whole unit standing upright on my desk?

Hate the taste at first, love it when it gets going....
This frustration is making me want a ..... stick arrrrg

Thank you for your advice...
G

ps. I tried making the wick fill up most of the space in the rba (didn't work) and also tried trimming that same wick down a good amount (still no joy)...

 

[Susan~S]

Are you priming the coils well (putting juice in the wicking material and in the airflow holes on the side) BEFORE you start vaping?

 

[PostmasterG]

Yeah. When I take out and expose the coil, the wick is pretty wet. I am using organic Japanese cotton.

 

[DP2Raja]

It is possible that your watts are actually to low and the juice is just cooking, not being vaporized. The Delta II has a reputation for being power hungry. If your wick is well primed you should be able to up the watts some to make sure the juice is vaporizing. If you are using the RBA and building your own, make sure the wick is just touching the deck and push it off to one side a little to keep the juice channels open. Too much wick on the deck seems to block the juice flow. Just my experience, not necessarily true for all, depending on amount of wick I guess. I am doing a 0.7 ohm coil at about 33 watts.

 

[edyle]

I need your help plz!

So here it is. I have been using this Delta II tank for about 1 week now and I can't seem to get it right!
Basically what happens is that regardless of coil ohms and wattage setting, I have to "get my tank going (lol)" before it tastes good and not burny.
Right now I have in a 1.2ohm coil and am at about 14W (earlier today was at about 10W). The first like 4 draws seem to have a burnt taste and not very enjoyable.
After that, it starts to taste better, then fine, then good. So this makes me think that the wick is working well since after I get it going it doesn't taste bad at all.
The longer I let it sit, the longer it takes to get it to taste good again. I have tried the airhole at 100, 75, 50, and about 10% open. Taking deep draws.

Does a flooded coil taste burnt?
Do the wicks that are not working well need to get heated up to be able to wick properly?
Is my wick drying out because I keep the whole unit standing upright on my desk?

Hate the taste at first, love it when it gets going....
This frustration is making me want a ..... stick arrrrg

Thank you for your advice...
G

ps. I tried making the wick fill up most of the space in the RBA (didn't work) and also tried trimming that same wick down a good amount (still no joy)...

1: Have you been vaping the same coil for a week?
Coils tend to get gunked up with usage.

2: A flooded coil tastes wet; a dry coil tastes burnt; a gunked up coil tastes burnt or muted depending on the power


If you can get yourself a simple rda and some 30 gauge kanthal, you can avoid the problems that tanks have.
Otherwise, chances are you just need to replace the coil head.

 

[PostmasterG]

I have only been using this coil for 2 days...

It has that burnt taste at first but then it goes away... Like im burning off gunk? The coil doesnt look gunked up and i think it is wet enough. The wicks are right at the top of the holes so maybe at first it is a little dry and once the moist coil starts to heat up it starts to draw the liquid into the coil? I will try and take it apart, see how wet it is, trim the wicks again, amd see how it does...

Also, whenever i first put it alll together and prime the wick etc., it tastes great untill i let it sit for an hour or two.

 

[edyle]

I have only been using this coil for 2 days...

It has that burnt taste at first but then it goes away... Like im burning off gunk? The coil doesnt look gunked up and i think it is wet enough. The wicks are right at the top of the holes so maybe at first it is a little dry and once the moist coil starts to heat up it starts to draw the liquid into the coil? I will try and take it apart, see how wet it is, trim the wicks again, amd see how it does...

Also, whenever i first put it alll together and prime the wick etc., it tastes great untill i let it sit for an hour or two.

if you have a tight draw, drawing on the tank tends to prime the coil; could be that the wicking is a bit tight, and when you draw harder on the tank, the juices gets sucked in more and primes the coil.

 

[PostmasterG]

So I just re-wicked my coil so that it slides mostly freely through the coil. Also, I cut the wick a bit shorter this time so that it just hovers above the juice holes.

Same needing to get it started effect, but seem a bit better (less time to good taste)?

It is like I have to turn it up to 17-18W and take one or two big nasty draws, then it seems to work fine.
I really want it to taste like my nautilus mini (which tastes awesome!), even though that tank is really only good for mouth inhales, which I don't mind.
I just like to be able to get a good draw, and the nautilus mini gets about 7/8 of the volume I want.

Does anyone have any large tank style atomizers that don't have to be kick started or that have to kick start theirs to get good taste out of it?

 

[edyle]

So I just re-wicked my coil so that it slides mostly freely through the coil. Also, I cut the wick a bit shorter this time so that it just hovers above the juice holes.

Same needing to get it started effect, but seem a bit better (less time to good taste)?

It is like I have to turn it up to 17-18W and take one or two big nasty draws, then it seems to work fine.
I really want it to taste like my nautilus mini (which tastes awesome!), even though that tank is really only good for mouth inhales, which I don't mind.
I just like to be able to get a good draw, and the nautilus mini gets about 7/8 of the volume I want.

Does anyone have any large tank style atomizers that don't have to be kick started or that have to kick start theirs to get good taste out of it?

Oh!

It's a rebuildable!

Might take some trial and error to figure out how to wick it best

have you checked out the youtube reviews?
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=delta+ii+tank

 

[Zazoie]

I have a Delta II and it doesn't like low wattage very much. It does okay around 15-17+. Also in addition to everything else that has been said on priming etc what helps is to take a few puffs that you just blow out the vapor before you take your real pull...this is true on all vapes but especially I noticed on the Delta II. So take a pull blow it out, take another blow it out, and then go for your gusto pull. It works for me in the scenario you describe. Good luck.

Update: nevermind i see you found the trick i mentioned "It is like I have to turn it up to 17-18W and take one or two big nasty draws, then it seems to work fine."

 

[MoDmAnDaN]

Actually I'm surprised that it gets better...usually with cotton, once it's burned from dry hits at the very beginning, it's done. I have three Delta 2's and I can say that priming even the RBA section is critical when you re-wick it. modding is not always necessary, but I have drilled the air channels out on two of mine to open them up a bit for higher VG ratio juices. But as far as wicking, yeah, just touching the deck is also correct. My coils are about 1mm from the air intake to allow for a shorter wick too.

 

[PostmasterG]

I have a Delta II and it doesn't like low wattage very much. It does okay around 15-17+. Also in addition to everything else that has been said on priming etc what helps is to take a few puffs that you just blow out the vapor before you take your real pull...this is true on all vapes but especially I noticed on the Delta II. So take a pull blow it out, take another blow it out, and then go for your gusto pull. It works for me in the scenario you describe. Good luck.

Update: nevermind i see you found the trick i mentioned "It is like I have to turn it up to 17-18W and take one or two big nasty draws, then it seems to work fine."

Yeah I was hoping I wouldn't have to do that!

I just built a 1.9ohm and at 10.6w/4.6v it is not too bad, not terribly warm but also not burnt. I just have to play with it I guess.

 

[PostmasterG]

Actually I'm surprised that it gets better...usually with cotton, once it's burned from dry hits at the very beginning, it's done. I have three Delta 2's and I can say that priming even the RBA section is critical when you re-wick it. modding is not always necessary, but I have drilled the air channels out on two of mine to open them up a bit for higher VG ratio juices. But as far as wicking, yeah, just touching the deck is also correct. My coils are about 1mm from the air intake to allow for a shorter wick too.

Yeah, it isn't like the cotton is burned though!
I have checked every time I take it apart/recoil and it doesn't seem to be burnt at all. One time the coil seemed a bit gunked up, but other than that, fine..

 

[PostmasterG]

Oh!

It's a rebuildable!

Might take some trial and error to figure out how to wick it best

have you checked out the youtube reviews?
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=delta+ii+tank

I have watched some of the reviews, but I kinda want reviews by people that don't seem like they have been paid to do them... just what it seems like to me!
I will give some other videos a try though.

...and it is trial and error at this point, fun and frustrating at the same time lol

 

[Zazoie]

PostmasterG off topic but looking at your avatar...you didn't play Star Wars Galaxies did you per chance?

 

[PostmasterG]

No haha,

I am not sure where I got that picture from, but I edited it and added the smoke to it myself. I have had that saved on my pc for some time now, the source image that is.

 

[Zazoie]

No haha,

I am not sure where I got that picture from, but I edited it and added the smoke to it myself. I have had that saved on my pc for some time now, the source image that is.

Oh dang it! /stompsherfeet Thought I found a fellow ex SWG player.

/nerdon I am pretty sure that's a picture of a mutated rancor that you could create using rancor dna in an incubator and such... /nerdoff

 

[revnja]

I was having burnt hit/dry hit problems and my problem is that I was building a micro coil. Two of them were fine for short puffs but for longer ones, it was atrociously dry and gross (0.8 and 0.5ohm, respectively). I built a standard coil at 0.8ohm (coil wraps are not touching but slightly spaced out) and that seems to have solved it. I also make sure that the juice holes on the bottom of the RBA are free from obstruction so that juice can flow in and hit the wick, before I was making the cotton cover the holes thinking it would hit the wick faster.

So far, this has been working for me (I have only been testing it for about 30 minutes). I am unsure if this is related to the problems you're having, I'm just trying to shed some insight on what worked for me.

Oh dang it! /stompsherfeet Thought I found a fellow ex SWG player.

/nerdon I am pretty sure that's a picture of a mutated rancor that you could create using rancor dna in an incubator and such... /nerdoff

A friend and I used to play SWG all the time! Pretty sure that is a mutated rancor as well, I saw the avatar and thought it looked familiar!

 

[GBL1]

The LVC coils that come with it are 0.5 ohm and seem to like about 22 watts. There is also an liquid adjustment for this coil. I haven't tried my RBA yet and I don't know if you're using the prebuilt that came with the RBA (1.2 ohms I think) or not so without measuring the coil and how your build is, I can't really make any meaningful comments.

 

[jimmyb79]

I'm really struggling with my Delta 2 RBA. The prebuilt coil that comes in the RBA is excellent. However, having recoiled and rewicked it today, I just can't get it right. I've had no issues with Kayfuns previously.
So far I've tried:
2.5mm coil (not touching)
3mm coil (touching and not touching)

I'm cutting my cotton about half a mil wider than the coil diameter, and I've tried splitting it in half depth-wise, and also putting it all in.

Wick-wise, I've tried pulling through the collar , cutting at the collar top, then lightly pushing back down, I've also tried my old Kayfun way of wetting the cotton and moulding into place before replacing the collar. I've also made sure that the liquid channels are clear by putting some nail scissors in to make sure theres a millimetre gap between the cotton and collar.

I'm priming the wick well before use and the first couple of pulls are excellent. Then, dry hit. re-prime by pulling with airflow closed, and fine again for a couple of pulls, then dry hits again.
I'm no expert at this, but this seems like a really fussy rebuildable. I'm refusing to pay for the LVC coils, so I've ordered some prebuilt coils to go in the RBA from Joyetech and will have a good look at those to try and replicate them.

If anyone sees anything wrong with what I'm doing, please shout, any help would be gratefully received!