Disrespectful Little Punk

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amolson

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I think the real issue is the freedom to do something that doesn't harm anyone else. In the past, when people haven't challenged laws or regulations like this, they continue or go stronger.

We've come to a society, in many places, that does not tolerate any differences and calls it 'diversity'. There are still a lot of people who would ban mixed race couples from showing any affection in public using all the same arguments as the anti-vapers. Most people today would consider that wrong. In the 1950's, not so much. If mixed race couples had hidden themselves and not forced their lifestyle on others and not stood up for their rights, we'd still be there. Today, there are still places where same sex couples are banned from holding hands or showing affection in schools or other public places. It's the same thing.

Just for grins, when I went to a vape meet last night where it was incredibly foggy as they were having a cloud contest, I simply sat there and never went outside. Now I've worked in a casino where even with the smoke eaters the air gets downright chewy. In the vape shop, it never did get as dense and the smell of at least a dozen cloud chasers playing with subohm mechs (including the occasional dry hit) never got significantly above that of any other densely packed gathering. The only real noticeable aroma was the occasional whiff of scorched cotton. So I would say even at its densest, the smell and effect of vapor is well within the range of 'normal' for a public venue.

To me, the whole thing is all about human rights, the primary one being the right to do as we please as long as we don't harm others. Note: this doesn't cover protecting people from being made uncomfortable. How many bans and attacks are still in place on same sex couples, particularly teenagers? How many people are still killed or beaten for being openly Jewish or Catholic? Now compare this to when it those people were told to just hide it, be respectful, don't force lifestyle choices on others, don't make anyone uncomfortable.

I think vaping in public is a matter of free expression and will continue to treat it as such. It's not about smoking or public health or protecting the children. Do as you wish, but no fight for freedom has ever been won by hiding in ghettos and hoping the tyrants will go away if not confronted.
 

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Which words? The ones he used during the actual incident, or the ones he used to start a thread?

I wasn't present during the actual incident. Neither were you. What I know about it comes from the OP. And he says that he went back in and told the guy he was being disrespectful. Then he came to ECF to rant and call names. He doesn't come across as calm.
 

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I wasn't present during the actual incident. Neither were you. What I know about it comes from the OP. And he says that he went back in and told the guy he was being disrespectful. Then he came to ECF to rant and call names. He doesn't come across as calm.
You're right, neither one of us was there. I'm basing my opinion on what he said happened since the disrespectful punk isn't here to tell his side of the story. (By the way, if you find yourself vaping in the checkout line at the grocery store, you are a disrespectful punk too.)
You're basing your opinion on his thread title on a forum where he came to vent about it...you're assuming he acted all pissy with the kid because of a thread title. I'm assuming he approached him and pointed something out politely because thats what he said he did. I have no reason to call him a liar, I don't even know him. You on the other hand think he's lying based on a thread title. Good for you.
 

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I think the op respectfully told the guy he was being disrespectful and came to the conclusion that he was just a punk only after the reactions he got from him led him to feel that way and instead of losing control with the guy, he vented his frustrations here where he thought he would get support. :)
 

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I think the op respectfully told the guy he was being disrespectful and came to the conclusion that he was just a punk only after the reactions he got from him led him to feel that way and instead of losing control with the guy, he vented his frustrations here where he thought he would get support. :)
That makes a little too much sense....add a pistol or a knife to the kids throat and you may have something.
 

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Yes, exactly...he TALKED to the guy. Re-read the opening post. He "politely informed him" . Now read post #154 where AndriaD accuses him of "accosting" the guy. I'm guilty of what?

Yes, he "politely" informed this "disrespectful little punk" that he was "giving the rest of us a bad name". He walks out of the store and then goes back to do this.
And remember that's the sugar coated version we get from the guy trying to paint himself as a saint.
You really believe this was perfectly polite?

You're just as guilty of playing telephone and putting your own spin on the story. Nobody is immune, not you and certainly not the OP.
 

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Yes, he "politely" informed this "disrespectful little punk" that he was "giving the rest of us a bad name". He walks out of the store and then goes back to do this.
And remember that's the sugar coated version we get from the guy trying to paint himself as a saint.
You really believe this was perfectly polite?

You're just as guilty of playing telephone and putting your own spin on the story. Nobody is immune, not you and certainly not the OP.
My own spin? I used his version. He was there. I didn't add anything.
 

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For god sake screw yall names no disrespect but earn your own name you want and don't worry about what other people are doing lol. Nobody agrees with everything everybody does anywhere, why expect vaping to be different? One of the most annoying things anyone can do is walk up to a stranger and give their unwanted opinion about something thats none of their damn business, focus on yourself and leave it, its not that deep...


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The only public stores I vape in are the local smoke shops. They are already smoking analogs inside anyway. Even if its not illegal not everyone enjoys being around clouds of vapor. Thats a personal preference of theirs and as a fellow human being with your own likes and dislikes, you should understand and RESPECT that. If you don't, then you are just being rude and mean. Not to mention a huge a**hole. My girlfriend even likes to vape but doesn't like my clouds around her. My flavors give her headaches sometimes so ill vape a different flavor or go in the other room. Cuz I love and respect her and I'm not a .... who says "its my house too. Deal with it." Some peoples kids... sheesh. It seems to be a running theme with younger people now days where being an a**hole in public is considered funny or cool. God I hope I wasnt this bad when I was that age... Im sorry to everyone if I was lol
 
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Did you even bother to read the op? Or are you just that judgmental?

Of course I read the OP, and while I agree with his opinion that the vaper was behaving rudely, I believe that going back in and yes, ACCOSTING him about it was even more rude, or, if not outright rude, at the very least it was judgmental control-freak behavior, without which the world would be a much better place.

Now, what about you? Pot, kettle, black? I believe I'm entitled to my opinion. If you don't like it, that's your prerogative, but do not label ME judgmental just because you don't care for my opinion.

Andria
 

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I know this topic has come up a thousand times but yesterday, I was in line at a checkout at a local grocery store and as I was leaving, I glanced over and noticed an 18-21 year old vaping right in front of the cashier while he was checking out. I kept walking to my car when I told my wife I was going back in to have a word with this kid. I grabbed my MVP from the car, went back in and introduced my self as a fellow vapor and then proceeded to politely inform him that was he was doing was disrespectful and giving the rest of us a bad name. His response? "I't's not illegal".

Although he was right, it's not illegal. I informed him that he could wait five minutes to vape or ask the manager if she didn't mind him being a hipster while shopping. Again, I told him this is one reason we are getting a bad wrap. Blank stare... so I left. I had a strong suspicion that he wasn't vaping to quit his tobacco addiction but to 'look cool' while being a .... at the same time.

I smoked for 25 years and have successfully quit using e-cigs. I don not feel the need to vape inside public places as I wouldn't smoke a cig in public places.

Just had to rant. :2c:

Thank you. Twits like that will and are causing our plight more trouble than needed.

I don't vape anywhere that smoking is banned. It's not right to do so...just like I wouldn't light up in an area that it was prohibited.

We, as a community, are trying to educate the public about our nicotine delivery system, and how safe it is. We want it to become socially acceptable, instead of frowned upon. We want people to view what we are doing as a far safer alternative to smoking instead of with disdain.

Good for you and calling him out on it...and a hearty Thank You!
 

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Thank you. Twits like that will and are causing our plight more trouble than needed.

I don't vape anywhere that smoking is banned. It's not right to do so...just like I wouldn't light up in an area that it was prohibited.

We, as a community, are trying to educate the public about our nicotine delivery system, and how safe it is. We want it to become socially acceptable, instead of frowned upon. We want people to view what we are doing as a far safer alternative to smoking instead of with disdain.

Good for you and calling him out on it...and a hearty Thank You!

How is equating vaping with smoking going to make it socially acceptable?
 

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Thank you. Twits like that will and are causing our plight more trouble than needed.

I don't vape anywhere that smoking is banned. It's not right to do so...just like I wouldn't light up in an area that it was prohibited.

We, as a community, are trying to educate the public about our nicotine delivery system, and how safe it is. We want it to become socially acceptable, instead of frowned upon. We want people to view what we are doing as a far safer alternative to smoking instead of with disdain.

Good for you and calling him out on it...and a hearty Thank You!

How exactly are going to educate the public about how safe it is while voluntarily vaping only in the approved smoking area? Segregating yourself and standing with the smokers reinforces the perception that it is not socially acceptable.
 
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