Disrespectful Little Punk

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Zealous

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I just want to let you know that I am also a disrespectful punk (just so we're all clear on that). I don't fit in the age of a "punk" but apparently my vaping behavior fits the MO so I declare myself one & I feel ok about it.

But ya know, I'm thinking if anyone were ever bothered by my vaping in the line at the Old Navy store someone would say something. They would at least turn around & give me a scowl of disapproval. But since not one person in that long line even gave me a second look I'm thinking they don't care because they're busy living their own lives. And when I was at the pizza place last night I"m thinking that when I took a puff off my PV while I was talking to our waitress she would have said something to me if it was a problem. Since she didn't say anything, & in fact her friend ask what type "ecig" it was, I'm thinking they just didn't care.
 
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I personally feel that the only way to normalise vaping is to make vaping seem normal.

So you believe that in the society, vaping should be the "norm"?

Vapers are a very small % of the society. I know it's easy to lose sight on that on a vaping forum.

Vaping is not like eating and breathing, i.e. something the human body has to do in order to stay alive.

In that respect, it is not the norm, and never will be. Vaping is simply a habit that people enjoy.

(Some people call it a hobby, although most hobbies are not something you *have* to do, I mean, you don't feel immediately uncomfortable from not doing it, nor antsy on airplanes, in restaurants, or long meetings where you can't practice your hobby )

So I'll stick with *habit*.
 

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So you believe that in the society, vaping should be the "norm"?

Vapers are a very small % of the society. I know it's easy to lose sight on that on a vaping forum.

Vaping is not like eating and breathing, i.e. something the human body has to do in order to stay alive.

In that respect, it is not the norm, and never will be. Vaping is simply a habit that people enjoy.

(Some people call it a hobby, although most hobbies are not something you *have* to do, I mean, you don't feel immediately uncomfortable from not doing it, nor antsy on airplanes, in restaurants, or long meetings where you can't practice your hobby )

So I'll stick with *habit*.

I get pretty annoyed in the morning when I don't have caffeine and they will serve coffee at meetings and on the plane.

I also find that I'm not nearly as uncomfortable not vaping then when I smoked.

There is lots of things we don't need. Pop. Cake. Alcohol. But it's acceptable.
 
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(Some people call it a hobby, although most hobbies are not something you *have* to do, I mean, you don't feel immediately uncomfortable from not doing it, nor antsy on airplanes, in restaurants, or long meetings where you can't practice your hobby )

Heh, you have never known a coder. Or an engineer. Or a musician. Or a writer. Or an actor. Or a dancer. Or any one of a number of hobbies/professions that take huge amounts of enthusiasm and practice.

Want to torture a musician? Make them be silent, completely, for more than a few minutes. No tapping of feet or humming, nothing.

But no one 'needs' music, either, so I suppose that's something people should just be able to do without. It should be the 'norm' to never have music around. (Even deaf people enjoy music. Not the same music I enjoy or at anything like those volumes :wince: but they do.)
 

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Although what he was doing was rather uncool .....

I am not so sure it was your place to say anything to him. Like you, I do not vape in places like that but plenty here do.
Just because it is our personal choice not to do so does not really mean we could or should tell others what they have to do.

Exactly, I keep hoping these kinds of posts will stop. Pointing out to a stranger what they just did wrong isn't going to change anything, except that you've made yourself look worse than the person that did what you didn't like. It's obnoxious. I've also noticed that these posts have something interesting in common, and that's that the person writing it feels the need to be judgmental. During the post the "offender" was referred to as a hipster (having nothing to do with vaping indoors) and they suspected that the person was never a smoker and was probably just doing it to be cool. No reason for the suspicion was given, probably because none exists. People seem to think they're some kind of soldier in battle over this whole non-issue (nope, never been written about as an issue in any publication). I may be a vapor and we have that in common, but it ends there. I'm not your friend. I'm not interested in your advice, nor would I follow it. You won't make a difference intruding in a stranger's business. I'm sure it made you feel good though, and isn't that what it's all about after all?
 

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I find it interesting that almost every thread on this subject is started by someone who just joined ECF and has relatively few posts. I've been vaping for over 4 years and have never seen anything like this and I am in a major metropolitan area and in stores, shops and businesses every day.

I also find it quite childish that everyone of these "thread starters" condescendingly believe they must judge others and dictate vaping behavior. Let's see, isn't that exactly what all the liberal senators and ANTZ's are doing who want vaping banned - judging others based on their view of superiority and wanting to dictate how others live.

Give me a break.

This post should have been the end of this thread, then copied and pasted to the beginning (and hopefully end) of every similar thread in the future.
 

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This is one of the MOST DEPRESSING threads I have read on ECF.

I know everyone has opinions and rarely will they be the same, But WOW
Does everyone really feel they have to one up the other?

This thread has lost all focus and any chance at positive value.:(

Nothing positive can be squeezed out of this one, man. :(
 

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Heh, you have never known a coder. Or an engineer. Or a musician. Or a writer. Or an actor. Or a dancer. Or any one of a number of hobbies/professions that take huge amounts of enthusiasm and practice.

Want to torture a musician? Make them be silent, completely, for more than a few minutes. No tapping of feet or humming, nothing.

But no one 'needs' music, either, so I suppose that's something people should just be able to do without. It should be the 'norm' to never have music around. (Even deaf people enjoy music. Not the same music I enjoy or at anything like those volumes :wince: but they do.)

These are really bad analogies.

Poetry, creativity, music, etc. are indeed, human "needs", aestheticaly, but they aren't things that have the kind of dependency I'm talking about.

All my friends who are musicians, poets, engineers, dancers and writers CAN go to restaurants, take long trans-atlantic plane rides, and sit in long meetings "without" the nervous NEED to practice their hobbies.

They don't have to step outside to practice their hobby every 20 minutes.
They don't require that their employer give them "creativity breaks" in order to paint, play music, dance, or design aeronautics because they are jumping out of their skin with anxiety.

Trying to justify dependency and/or addiction by comparing it to other pleasurable things in life doesn't cut it.

Unfortunately, anyone who has been in that circular argument with an alcoholic knows that dance, and alcoholics don't learn the difference til they enter a rehab center........where they learn that self-lies and justifications aren't truths, and they get honest with themselves.

I have no idea why all this denial is necessary anyway????. I enjoy vaping and it got me off cigarettes. Right now, it keeps me off cigarettes. But I don't pretend it is not a habit/dependency, or that it's like creating art or music. :facepalm:
 
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