Dissapointed in my 510

[Warrior58d]

I am fairly new to E smoking and really don't know what I am doing wrong. I purchased a 510 from E-smokey treats and it got here really fast which was great. After I charged the batteries and blew out the atomizers real well I put a pre filled tip on it and was expecting glorious clouds of vapor. What I got was barely anything. I thought maybe I am drawing wrong and have tried many different ways with very little success. I have boiled and cleaned the atomizers both and they both do the same thing. I have re-filled the carts, tried small drips on the atomizer and nothing better. I have no gurgling in the atomizer so I know it's not flooded. Now my question is could it be possible really to have TWO bad atomizers or TWO bad batteries or could the e-juice be the culprit. It's PG by the way which I know is shorter on vapor but bigger on throat hit but even still. i see all these videos that show people with huge plums of vap. They can't all be using VG can they? I have ordered 4 more atomizers from a different source and different juice so we will see but any help would be greatly appreciated.

John

P.S. I got into this cause a friend bought a "GreenSmoke" and with the cartomizer it was awesome. No difficulty smoking that whatsoever.

 

[chainvapor]

I am fairly new to E smoking and really don't know what I am doing wrong. I purchased a 510 from E-smokey treats and it got here really fast which was great. After I charged the batteries and blew out the atomizers real well I put a pre filled tip on it and was expecting glorious clouds of vapor. What I got was barely anything. I thought maybe I am drawing wrong and have tried many different ways with very little success. I have boiled and cleaned the atomizers both and they both do the same thing. I have re-filled the carts, tried small drips on the atomizer and nothing better. I have no gurgling in the atomizer so I know it's not flooded. Now my question is could it be possible really to have TWO bad atomizers or TWO bad batteries or could the e-juice be the culprit. It's PG by the way which I know is shorter on vapor but bigger on throat hit but even still. i see all these videos that show people with huge plums of vap. They can't all be using VG can they? I have ordered 4 more atomizers from a different source and different juice so we will see but any help would be greatly appreciated.

John

P.S. I got into this cause a friend bought a "GreenSmoke" and with the cartomizer it was awesome. No difficulty smoking that whatsoever.

I have used nothing but the 510 since I started and I love it. Try dropping about 3 - 4 drops directly onto the atomizer and give that a try. Remember to give it a LONG and SLOW drag and see what happens. Should get a nice cloud even with just PG.

 

[SudokuGal]

Well, yeah, it could be possible to get two bad attys...more likely them than the batteries, but you never know.

Be sure to contact your vendor.

 

[sheep]

Give it some time and patience. There is a knack to getting a full on cloud of vapour. It took me about a week to start really getting the hang of it. Even now, when I smoke and inhale it like a cigarette...barely any vapour. When I smoke it "properly", I get huge clouds.

 

[Warrior58d]

it's just really frustrating. with the greensmoke it was plug and play...this thing is driving me insane. I have tried to drip on the atty but still to no avail..

Arrrgggghhhhh

 

[TonyLoco2]

I just got my first 510 today. I've vaped 901's since I started vaping at the end of last year. I initially got sucked into BluCig's and was dissapointed in the vapor production, but I stuck with it and after getting 901's and now 510's I'm getting exellent vapor off ~3.7v and my ~6v mod. Be patient and try different techniques you'll get it.

But asside from encouraging words maybe we can pinpoint the problem. I'm assuming since you're on 510 it's a manual battery you have? (The kind with a pushbutton that activates it)

Maybe try taking the cartridge off so that you can see the inside of the atomizer; push the button (be careful not to activate it too long it could damage the atomizer....if it glows red or gets hot let go of the button).

What does it do? Does it sizzle, does it glow red, does it do nothing at all? Hopefully I can help

 

[Warrior58d]

I just got my first 510 today. I've vaped 901's since I started vaping at the end of last year. I initially got sucked into BluCig's and was dissapointed in the vapor production, but I stuck with it and after getting 901's and now 510's I'm getting exellent vapor off ~3.7v and my ~6v mod. Be patient and try different techniques you'll get it.

But asside from encouraging words maybe we can pinpoint the problem. I'm assuming since you're on 510 it's a manual battery you have? (The kind with a pushbutton that activates it)

Maybe try taking the cartridge off so that you can see the inside of the atomizer; push the button (be careful not to activate it too long it could damage the atomizer....if it glows red or gets hot let go of the button).

What does it do? Does it sizzle, does it glow red, does it do nothing at all? Hopefully I can help

yea it's a manual batt. When I look in the atomizer and activate it it does sizzle but no redness. I get a little vapor hanging out in the tube and that's it. The wires under the bridge do not turn red unless it's bone dry. I have read on here that some 501 attys have a higher resistance then they should. Might be my case. With me being a noob AND resistante attys It could be the perfect storm.

 

[Kent C]

I am fairly new to E smoking and really don't know what I am doing wrong. I purchased a 510 from E-smokey treats and it got here really fast which was great. After I charged the batteries and blew out the atomizers real well I put a pre filled tip on it and was expecting glorious clouds of vapor. What I got was barely anything. I thought maybe I am drawing wrong and have tried many different ways with very little success. I have boiled and cleaned the atomizers both and they both do the same thing. I have re-filled the carts, tried small drips on the atomizer and nothing better. I have no gurgling in the atomizer so I know it's not flooded. Now my question is could it be possible really to have TWO bad atomizers or TWO bad batteries or could the e-juice be the culprit. It's PG by the way which I know is shorter on vapor but bigger on throat hit but even still. i see all these videos that show people with huge plums of vap. They can't all be using VG can they? I have ordered 4 more atomizers from a different source and different juice so we will see but any help would be greatly appreciated.

If you didn't get two bad attys, you might now after boiling. Not recommended by most vets here.

No vapor on any ecig is usually - flooded atomizer. You blew them out but then boiled them.... If you messed up the wicking they should still respond to dripping unless you didn't dry thoroughly enough or there was still condensation in the coil which might have shorted it out. With so many 510's working well and creating more vapor than any other ecig, something's wrong - I'd send the attys back and get some new ones. If you have a multimeter and know how to use it, you could check the resistance and if it isn't around 2.1-2.5, then they're probably toast.

 

[TonyLoco2]

I was actually going to recommend the same. A multimeter is the best way to narrow thigns down, they're pretty cheap and you can buy them at a lot of places. (Wal-mart, radio shack, etc.)

If you have a meter, the threads of the atomizer (the part that screws into the battery) is the negative and the center post is the positive. You can touch the probes to these two parts (when you're meter is set to ohms) and get a ohms/resistance reading. If it's too high the atomizers won't fire properly, as it won't recieve the full power of the battery. Also if it's too low or non-existant the atty is probably bad as well.

You can check the batteries voltage output by setting your multimeter to volts and touching the probes to the threads and the center post; and then pressing the button (it helps to have 3 hands ). You should get a reading of around 3.6/3.7V

A lot of people on here say boiling is a sure fire way to ruin an atty, others say hit helps. I believe the key is to not mess up the coils by getting it too hot, and allowing it to fully dry before using it again.

Typically there is no reason to clean a new atty in such a drastic way. Most likely (especially if you're just starting out) you will mess them up.

You could check the vendor and see what their policy on returns is but most likely cleaning them like that will have a negative effect on their willingness to accept a return.

 

[Moonflame]

The other thing is that I've noticed with my 510s that it takes a day or so of vaping on them to get full vapor production. They tend to start off slow and then work up to peak production. Make sure they have fully dried from their boiling and then drip 3-4 drops on the wick to make sure it's good and wet and take nice slow drags. You may also want to put a couple of drops of glycerin in your cart to see if that gives you more vapor.

 

[Warrior58d]

If you didn't get two bad attys, you might now after boiling. Not recommended by most vets here.

No vapor on any ecig is usually - flooded atomizer. You blew them out but then boiled them.... If you messed up the wicking they should still respond to dripping unless you didn't dry thoroughly enough or there was still condensation in the coil which might have shorted it out. With so many 510's working well and creating more vapor than any other ecig, something's wrong - I'd send the attys back and get some new ones. If you have a multimeter and know how to use it, you could check the resistance and if it isn't around 2.1-2.5, then they're probably toast.

The atomizer is not flooded. I can tell when it is from the gurgling sound and taste but zero or very very little vapor. I figured that much out. I will have to get a multimeter and check them out. Also I did not blow them out and then immediately boil them. I have tried to use them for the last two days with very little change. I was trying everything so thought with such little vapor production that I may have not blew them out enough so I decided to go for a real clean. As for most vets not recommending boiling so be it. I have seen about 30 different ways to clean an atty and that seemed to be a good way to start. I was reaching I know but I was also getting desperate and ...... off. I have read a lot of things in favor of the 510 but usually not in its pure form. Everybody mods this or that for some reason or another so as great as they are they still could use some improvement shown just by a lot of so so comments about them on this board. the batt life sucks, the carts don't wick well enough or the attys could be screwed (I.E. having a higher resistance) I have read on the board here that Joye has been having issues with the attys and supposedly working to fix that but only time will tell. I do like the 510 but don't want to have to go through a bunch of pain to make it work. I paid for a product and think it should work great out of the box.

 

[Kent C]

Warrior58d:The atomizer is not flooded. I can tell when it is from the gurgling sound and taste but zero or very very little vapor. I figured that much out. I will have to get a multimeter and check them out. Also I did not blow them out and then immediately boil them. I have tried to use them for the last two days with very little change. I was trying everything so thought with such little vapor production that I may have not blew them out enough so I decided to go for a real clean. As for most vets not recommending boiling so be it. I have seen about 30 different ways to clean an atty and that seemed to be a good way to start.

It's one of the most confusing and discouraging things about this forum. I agree. And while some vets have suggested it, mostly here on this forum, we see people with 11, 13, 18 posts telling someone with 3 posts to soak their attys in X.

I was reaching I know but I was also getting desperate and ...... off. I have read a lot of things in favor of the 510 but usually not in its pure form.

Well then you have more reading to do because a large segment of 510 users are using their original Joye kits with the 'bad batteries' - although many have modded their carts.

Everybody mods this or that for some reason or another so as great as they are they still could use some improvement shown just by a lot of so so comments about them on this board.

You're going to get the so so comments on any ecig but around 50% of the people polled here use a 510 or a mod and over 50% of those use a 510 atty. And it's only been fairly recently where clones have been being sold of the 510 and many people that don't know the difference report them as 'faulty joye products' when they aren't. But I don't expect new members to know that - and so do certain vendors, unfortunately.

the batt life sucks, the carts don't wick well enough or the attys could be screwed (I.E. having a higher resistance)

Clones, yes.

I have read on the board here that Joye has been having issues with the attys and supposedly working to fix that but only time will tell.

Here's just one way that such rumors get started from a deleted thread:

"I made a transaction in the classified here with another member. I traded some juice for a Joye 510 unit....at least that was what I was told. After reading a thread here, comparing the off brand to Joye with pic in that said thread, mine was not a Joye 510. The atty that came looked like the one in the OP."

This person who was claiming 'problems with Joye attys' didn't realize they had a clone.

I do like the 510 but don't want to have to go through a bunch of pain to make it work. I paid for a product and think it should work great out of the box.

I don't blame you. Perhaps you got a couple of bum attys - it happens in all products. I got a KR8 batt that is KR_P. But enough people have good ones that I don't think it's the model. I think I got unlucky on that one. And I was likely just as ...... as you are. Good luck.... sounds like you could use some ;-)

 

[MacDiver]

Sounds like you need to get a multimeter and check them. That will tell you if you have real Joye attys or some knockoff. Joyes run on 3.0 to 3.1 batts so anything that doesn't work with that low voltage isn't going to vape worth anything. Don't use SLB attys. They are too low (or high) I forget which. They work great on a 5-6 volt mod but not on a 510 batt. I've been sticking with genuine Joye to make sure I get the right stuff as there are plenty of knockoffs out there.

There's nothing wrong with boiling them. I boil my new attys before use. They are perserved with some kind of funky oil and you have to get it out and boiling seems to be the best solution. Mine are completly clean afterward. Not at the highest setting either. I get the water boiling on high and then go to below med high where it's a nice kinda slow rolling boil then drop them in. I move them around about every three mins for about ten mins and done. I then blow them out and they are ready.

I don't get all this talk about making sure they are dry after boiling. They are made to be wet. Just not dripping wet. Blow them out first and burn them off a bit and they are fine to use.

 

[Kelemvor]

what mac said, very often the primer got dryed and blocks the steel mesh. imo thats why some new atomizers don't wick well. the water dont't have to boil, ~60°C is sufficent.

i do that not on every atomizer, but on those that have a wicking problem.

 

[TonyLoco2]

Keep us posted, and let us know what happens with the multimeter. It's a handy little tool and will come in handy in the future. (Especially if you get into mods)

 

[BlackFlame]

A quicker way to tell if your atty is blown than finding and using a multi-meter: hold the button down, and see if the heating element heats up to cherry red. Be careful, because if you keep holding the button down after it does start to glow, you could burn it out-- but if the atty never heats up to glowing, then it's busted.

What's safer about the multi-meter path is that you never have to heat it up, and hence do not risk blowing the atty... but heating it up is a low risk if you keep a careful eye and back off as soon as you see it start to glow. A good volt meter will also tell you what voltage is being supplied by your batteries too.

If you're atty's blown, then that explains your problem.

If it's not your atty or your batteries my guess would be either the pre-filled carts. Try direct dripping 3-6 (I think it depends on what dripper you're using) drips of juice onto the bridge of the atty, waiting a couple seconds between each drip so the steel mesh absorbs the juice. You seem to know how to recognize if you've flooded it (if you do, blow it out a little). If you're still not satisfied with vapor production, it's probably not the carts, but rather the juice.

Next step would be to try a juice with high VG content (I recommend a 35% VG mix from Tasty Vapor).

 

[terrie1]

I dont tend to get good vapor without VG. Get some and add a couple lil squirts into your pg.

 

[Warrior58d]

This person who was claiming 'problems with Joye attys' didn't realize they had a clone.

So how do I know if what I am buying or who I am buying it from is selling me a clone or not? Any recommendations?

 

[Kent C]

So how do I know if what I am buying or who I am buying it from is selling me a clone or not? Any recommendations?

cignot, Totally wicked, Janty, heaven gifts, to name a few I know for sure.

 

[Warrior58d]

cignot, Totally wicked, Janty, heaven gifts, to name a few I know for sure.

Thanks Kent