I would use 430ss 28 gauge if you are using temp control, 316L ss if not. Squirt some lemon on your taste buds then go to town on them with a zesting tool, and you will have flavor again.(dont lol)
Diy Djuice flavour disappears after 1 day
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Thanks for the tipsi am following this recipe: http://..................../recipe/858846/DIYorDIE Apple Buttah (original)
Thinking it must be great since it won diy or die mixology contest and have good reviews.
There are some sites you can't link to here, but pretty sure this is the recipe recipe: Apple Buttah
I haven't mixed that one, but I'd be surprised if it weren't a pretty good recipe. And it def doesn't look over-flavored. Over-flavoring _can_ mute flavors, but that's not likely the case here.
Have you ever noticed that you have a significantly weaker sense of smell than other people? Some people do, and flavor in juice is almost entirely a matter of your sense of smell. I think most commercial juices are pretty over-flavored, but it might be that you need that much flavor. Commercial juice also generally has quite a bit of sweetener in it, and since sweetness is _not_ so much a matter of the sense of smell it might be that you need that to perceive flavor in juice.
Also, I think that as people DIY more and more they tend to want less and less flavoring. So a lot of the really well-known recipes are _quite_ a bit lower in flavor than commercial juice, which I think is generally a good thing, but might not be for you. 4% Fuji seems like plenty to me, but you might need more.
So one thing I might try if I were you is mixing just Fuji standalone at 2% increments from, say, 2% to 10%, letting them sit for three days or so, and then sampling them each, starting at the lower concentrations, and seeing how you perceive them. 10% seems like a _lot_ of Fuji to me, but... you may have an unusual olfactory sense.
EDIT: It is weird that you can taste it at first, but not later though... you're not heat-steeping it or breathing it or anything, are you?
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That is the recipe
i dont know how mutch i smell compared to other people. But i will try your sugestions, they are very reasonable to me. Maybe 4% fuji apple is to mutch for me, didnt suspect that.Weird now i sudenly taste it as mutch as the first day Must be vapours toungue
Must be vapours toungue
Yup. If everything tastes muted vapors tounge has struck. I switch out my flavors on the daily and eat lots of spicy foods, now I rarely get the dreaded snake tongue.Weird now i sudenly taste it as mutch as the first day
I've heard of this before and my guess is at first mix you're tasting "odd" flavors that steeping is supposed to take out, and haven't allowed the correct flavor to come in yet. If you're tasting them now after a few days, is it the same flavor?
I don't rewick for different flavors on an RDA usually -- except there are a few that linger or don't play well with others, or is that just that any flavor note you don't like is noticed longer? Probably not a problem yet. Anyway I don't get full flavor from a new wick, it needs an hour or so of vaping at least to properly gunk up. Some flavor weaken each other, but some combinations get stronger, and sometimes I can taste a flavor better when it's cutting across another.
But then I also don't get near as much flavor from most devices as the few I'm used to. Some say more power and vapor more flavor, to me it's almost opposite. Either the airflow has to be tight going in or the vapor has to go through a tiny bore drip tip to get the best flavor, and neither of these is compatible with high power. Another aspect is just being used to your hardware and adjusted to it, technique etc. and I know some do like their high power stuff so there must be a way. Once I did get away from smoking long enough I did start to prefer a better, cleaner flavor rather than just what put out the most.
RE: drops and flavor %'s, with the usual small dropper bottles flavor comes in and PG base, the drops are in the 40-55 drops per ml range. The 40 drops/ml at 1 drop per ml juice is 2.5%, the 50 drops/ml is 2%. The standard medical drops of 20 drops/ml are with a bigger dropper and water based solutions, which have high surface tension.
I am rewicking to test a store bought gum flavour
I don't rewick for different flavors on an RDA usually -- except there are a few that linger or don't play well with others, or is that just that any flavor note you don't like is noticed longer? Probably not a problem yet. Anyway I don't get full flavor from a new wick, it needs an hour or so of vaping at least to properly gunk up. Some flavor weaken each other, but some combinations get stronger, and sometimes I can taste a flavor better when it's cutting across another.
But then I also don't get near as much flavor from most devices as the few I'm used to. Some say more power and vapor more flavor, to me it's almost opposite. Either the airflow has to be tight going in or the vapor has to go through a tiny bore drip tip to get the best flavor, and neither of these is compatible with high power. Another aspect is just being used to your hardware and adjusted to it, technique etc. and I know some do like their high power stuff so there must be a way. Once I did get away from smoking long enough I did start to prefer a better, cleaner flavor rather than just what put out the most.
RE: drops and flavor %'s, with the usual small dropper bottles flavor comes in and PG base, the drops are in the 40-55 drops per ml range. The 40 drops/ml at 1 drop per ml juice is 2.5%, the 50 drops/ml is 2%. The standard medical drops of 20 drops/ml are with a bigger dropper and water based solutions, which have high surface tension.
I'm glad your problem resolved... You may still find that as you DIY, your flavor palette changes. I used to love (store bought) coco, now I can barely add a tiny bit of it. I do have coco as part of my flavor kit, and will be trying to make some of my own.
It's really odd getting used to all the smells/tastes, for sure. Good luck as you keep DIY!
Anna
It's really odd getting used to all the smells/tastes, for sure.
Good luck as you keep DIY! Anna
Thank you guys for all the great sugestions and so much help. Hopefully I will be able to contribute and give back to the vaping community at some point
About rewicking I love a fresh wick and I always put juice and fire a lot before starting to vape in a fresh wick it all is a mather of preference but I know what you mean about a fresh wick tasting weird before a certain amount of firing.
About rewicking I love a fresh wick and I always put juice and fire a lot before starting to vape in a fresh wick
it all is a mather of preference but I know what you mean about a fresh wick tasting weird before a certain amount of firing.Weird now i sudenly taste it as mutch as the first day
Could be Vaper's tongue. Could also be a combination of that and what @mcclintock was suggesting. Recipes can do some odd things as they steep. Some are pretty good after 3 days, awful after a week, and great at three weeks... I will say that the Apple Buttah recipe looks to me like it should probably have at least a week's steep, and preferably two, though I'm sure it's pretty vapeable after a couple of days.
Also, while it's not as dramatic as being a recent smoker, I think that even vaping most commercial juice can mess with your palate. In order to appeal to recent smokers most commercial juice is seriously over-flavored and over-sweetened. So that might have contributed to it too. Vaping both commercial juice and DiyOrDie favorites might make the latter a bit hard to taste for you, cause the DiyOrDie audience is mainly people who exclusively DIY, and their percentages reflect that.
This is why, I think, people tend to progressively lower percentages as they exclusively DIY. I probably have a relatively dull native palate, but I mix things now I would probably have hardly been able to taste a year ago... I do think that using lower percentages helps avoid vaper's tongue. It's not as much of a problem for me now as it was when I vaped commercial juice.
Also, other things you eat and drink can mess with your palate, especially things that have a lot of esters and volatiles in common with the flavors used in mixing. I like to drink pretty hoppy IPAs, and... well there's a local IPA I like that has all kinds of fruit esters, in addition to the witches brew of molecules in the hops. I get banana, pear, apple, a touch of citrus from the hops, etc. I can't taste most fruity vapes after drinking one, and if I have more than one that effect will extend to some degree into the next day.
Agree with you, stopped drinking anything but water because other drinks dehydrates and messes with my palate.
Well... you'll pry my beer from my cold dead hands... I like to taste my vape too, but let's have a bit of perspective here.
The farther you are away from your last cigarette, the better ejuice flavors taste. After a meal I sometimes sense better flavor. If I'm dried out from yard work, not so much. Staying hydrated is key. PG and VG absorb water from your mouth, throat, and sinuses and a dry tongue isn't so sensitive to flavors.
Biotine mouthwash is restorative to the palate. It's a hydrating mouthwash. Buy the smaller bottle. A little goes a long way and it's kind of expensive. A tablespoon sized swig goes a long way.
Biotine mouthwash is restorative to the palate. It's a hydrating mouthwash. Buy the smaller bottle. A little goes a long way and it's kind of expensive. A tablespoon sized swig goes a long way.
I use Biotene for dry mouth too, (not from vaping, from a med I take and dentures) and it is helpful. I'm also a fan of Ricola, as if I have something in my mouth to produce saliva that helps. I would think some dentists would recommend non-sweetened lozenges for that, but I kind of got addicted to Ricola (and Jolly ranchers!) when my throat was hoarse for months, the menthol helped me talk.
Interestingly, speaking of menthol, I notice if I have a Ricola in my mouth, my e-juice tastes more pugnant and I *really* think it might be the menthol effect. You'd think a Ricola would overwhelm flavor, but for me it seems to enhance it slightly. IDK. I'm not complaining, though I do try to limit the amount of Ricola's I am consuming per day and my e-juice tastes just fine without them. It's just an interesting effect....
Being hydrated is important for mouth health and I drink a lot of water and chamomile tea (now that I'm realizing my coffee consumption was getting out of hand) that also helps with dry mouth/throat, especially the way I drink it (milk, a tiny squirt of honey). It also chills me out, which is something I also find advantageous.
I hope any of that was useful
Anna
Interestingly, speaking of menthol, I notice if I have a Ricola in my mouth, my e-juice tastes more pugnant and I *really* think it might be the menthol effect. You'd think a Ricola would overwhelm flavor, but for me it seems to enhance it slightly. IDK. I'm not complaining, though I do try to limit the amount of Ricola's I am consuming per day and my e-juice tastes just fine without them. It's just an interesting effect....
Being hydrated is important for mouth health and I drink a lot of water and chamomile tea (now that I'm realizing my coffee consumption was getting out of hand) that also helps with dry mouth/throat, especially the way I drink it (milk, a tiny squirt of honey). It also chills me out, which is something I also find advantageous.
I hope any of that was useful
Anna
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