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keelalagirl55

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hoop50

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I would wait. That's the first time I've read of that reaction. Certainly never experienced it myself.

Hi Hoosier, ok, I got my nic, and the results still suck. Here's what I did. I bought from Wizard Labs 36mg/mL PG nic, and plain PG and VG for diluting. The first thing I did is smell. There is no odor from the nic or plain PG, but the VG smelled a little sweet to me, maybe that's my imagination. Then I dripped each one into my atty separately, and I can detect no taste whatsoever from either. The nic (diluted to 15mg) gave me a throat hit but that's it. So I mixed it at 70PG/30VG with 15mg/mL and added sweet tart TFA. First I started with 5%, then up to 10% one % at a time, then 15%, then 20%. I am still not getting enough flavor, I can barely tell its sweet tart. In the meantime, I went to a local store that custom mixes, and had them mix me 10mL of their sweet tart flavor, with the same above quantities except it was pure PG. I told them I liked a lot of flavor and that's exactly what I got, it was great, and it should have been for $9.00 per 10mL bottle. So I have no clue how to proceed. It doesn't seem like this is rocket science. Any help would be appreciated. In the meantime, I have a warehouse full of sweet tart steeping. :) Help! I have 1250 mL of nicotine liquid going to waste.
 

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Hi Hoosier, ok, I got my nic, and the results still suck. Here's what I did. I bought from Wizard Labs 36mg/mL PG nic, and plain PG and VG for diluting. The first thing I did is smell. There is no odor from the nic or plain PG, but the VG smelled a little sweet to me, maybe that's my imagination. Then I dripped each one into my atty separately, and I can detect no taste whatsoever from either. The nic (diluted to 15mg) gave me a throat hit but that's it. So I mixed it at 70PG/30VG with 15mg/mL and added sweet tart TFA. First I started with 5%, then up to 10% one % at a time, then 15%, then 20%. I am still not getting enough flavor, I can barely tell its sweet tart. In the meantime, I went to a local store that custom mixes, and had them mix me 10mL of their sweet tart flavor, with the same above quantities except it was pure PG. I told them I liked a lot of flavor and that's exactly what I got, it was great, and it should have been for $9.00 per 10mL bottle. So I have no clue how to proceed. It doesn't seem like this is rocket science. Any help would be appreciated. In the meantime, I have a warehouse full of sweet tart steeping. :) Help! I have 1250 mL of nicotine liquid going to waste.

Everything being equal in this equation; the one variable appears to be the flavoring. Since your local shop made the sweet tart juice for you when you went in did you discuss with them the problem you are having; and if so what did they say? If you were able to get 1.5 ml of their flavoring (15%) or what % they mixed and mix with your nic and pg/vg or just pg like the shop and compare it with what you had the shop make, I think by comparative analysis of the two you would have your answer.
 

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Everything being equal in this equation; the one variable appears to be the flavoring. Since your local shop made the sweet tart juice for you when you went in did you discuss with them the problem you are having; and if so what did they say? If you were able to get 1.5 ml of their flavoring (15%) or what % they mixed and mix with your nic and pg/vg or just pg like the shop and compare it with what you had the shop make, I think by comparative analysis of the two you would have your answer.

I did speak to them about it. They won't sell the concentrate nor will they tell me where they purchase it. The ingredients in my bottle of pre-mixed that I bought from them says PG & artificial flavors. I asked if they would take my liquids and mix it with their flavors and see what happens and they said no. They said they don't want to give me their recipe, which is understandable, and they are concerned with the legal aspects of using my liquids. They were very nice and suggested it was my e-liquids that was the problem but I have bought my e-liquids from two different suppliers, Wizard Labs and e-liq.com. I don't think my flavorings are the problem, because I bought from Wizard and everyone on here says they are reputable, and my flavors are branded TFA and Loranns. I'm trying to narrow the symptoms down and I don't know where to go from here. Thanks
 

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You're right drops are not accurate I'm just trying to eliminate somethings. You have tested the PG, VG and Nicotine using flavor from a good supplier from a good company and tasted the mix just after mixing and after steeping (I find TFA Sweet-Tarts has a slight flavor drop after it ages a bit) and even tested your taste buds with the use of vendor juice so I'm thinking that maybe something in your methods maybe off. Check your values in the e-juice calculator and give me the batch size PG/VG ratio and desired Nic mg as well as your Nic base mg then list what the recipe calls for and I'll input that and we can compare values.
 

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Hi Hoosier, ok, I got my nic, and the results still suck. Here's what I did..... Any help would be appreciated. In the meantime, I have a warehouse full of sweet tart steeping. :) Help! I have 1250 mL of nicotine liquid going to waste.

I won't lie, you're into some weird territory here. You are using syringes, so I'm not worried about mis-calibrated drop size. You've dropped the tongue curling nic. You've tasted your components and not found anything really wrong about them. AND you're working with a flavoring that I know will make a good juice that tastes like Smarties. (It's not really a sweet tart, but more of a smarties, but it has never needed any steeping to work for me.) Add on top of that you have vendor made juice that tastes fine to you.

The only thing I would start looking at when things get this weird is doing weird right back and see what happens.

So let's say we set the flavoring % at 12%. This gets us near the middle of the usual working range for this flavoring so it should help counter any hardware differences.

Using that 12% I'd mix a batch with just VG as the non-nic portion and another with just PG as the non-nic portion.

What you did should have worked, so this is more spitballing than anything else, but I'm still trying to find a reason WHY it didn't work when it should have.
 

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Hey Hoosier and everyone! I finally figured it out. And you guys may never guess what the problem was. It was the tube tank with a cartomizer that was the problem. Here's what happened. I went back to my local vaper store, and I got a clerk that was a bit more talkative. They have a vaper's lounge there and this time there were people vaping. So I took my new fluids and sat down and vaped up. I started talking to a customer and then the clerk came over and vaped up and started chatting. They told me that I was using an old-fashioned tube tank with a cartomizer that nobody uses anymore. So they suggested I spend $20.00 for a Kangertech Pro-Tank II. So I did. In the meantime, I had vaped up with the Strawberry that I just bought and it was great. So I opened up the new Pro-Tank and poured some of the same Strawberry in. And what a difference. Remember, I told you their flavors were great before? Well they were, but when I tried the Strawberry in this Pro-Tank, it was even greater. Still lots of flavor, but it tasted richer, kind of like generic Strawberry ice cream compared to Haagen Daz. So I bought another Pro-Tank II, and when I got home, I mixed up some of my own with 10% Strawberry Loranns. It was too weak, but then when I add flavoring, it actually worked this time! So I added till I got it similar to the one I purchased, 20%, and it was fine. So I have been mixing flavor after flavor, writing down the flavor %, and it looks like the problem is solved.
I should mention that I changed a couple other things also. But based on my experiment, I think nearly all of the problem was the tube tanks with cartomizers. There flavorings are 70/30 VG to PG (they told me before it was 100% PG, I don't know why). I can't make it that way because my nic is in pure PG. So I made roughly 50/50 PG/VG, and I think the next time I buy nic, I will buy it in VG so I can mimic their flavorings. Also, the clerk suggested making up my nicotine base in a larger batch and just add the flavoring on top of it. So I made up 50/50 PG/VG with 18% nic (at his suggestion). Then I poured 10mL into a bottle, and then added fluids on top of it, starting at 10% and then working my way up. That is okay, I think, as long as I write everything down. So the Strawberry Loranns is 10mL of my base + 20% flavoring. And it works great! So I already ordered 10 more Pro-Tank II's. Incidentally, I ordered from Kangertech themselves, located in China, and they were $135.00 including shipping for 10, which is $13.50 each, the best price I found anywhere on line.
Another thing about these Pro-Tank II's that is really cool. The heating element is a little strip of metal in the bottom of the tank with no filling. So when you want to switch flavors, you don't have to worry about the cartomizer with the filling inside. You just open the tank up and rinse everything off in hot water until it doesn't smell anymore, dry it, put it back together, and insert a new flavor. They are also made of pyrex glass, so none of the flavorings will melt the tank.
I want to thank you Hoosier, and all of the rest of you for all the help. Now I can stop buying $9.00 bottles of flavorings and keep making my own for $1.00 per bottle. Thanks again, hoop50
 
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