DIY Flavor extract question

[deezdrama]

Ok, I got a buddy at work into vaping a few months ago, He just recentlly became OCD about making his own juices and has started by trying to make his own flavor extracts.

I dont know what reading or research he has done but he has fruits,nuts,spices steeping in jars with different alcohols like rum and whiskey.
He drove out of town to an organic food shop and paid alot of money for anise and vanilla beans.

In the limited research ive done I see most people buy there flavor extracts , and ive read extracts need to be water soluable for ejuices.

If he is using rum and whiskey to extract the flavors from things wont the liquor overpower the flavorings, or can the liquor be "cooked" off leaving a concentrated extract?

He wants me to start buying supplies but i dont know if his flavor extracting process is even going to work.

I have alot of research to do but figured id get this basic question out there so i can tell him to quit wasting money if infact he is.
thanks

 

[Liv2Ski]

Wow seems like a lot of effort when you can buy flavors relatively cheap. He is also using low proof alcohol so yes I would imagine the whiskey and Rum notes will come through with his extractions.

 

[chips]

I think that if using alcohol for extraction, it should be vodka, as whiskey and rum have distinct flavours of their own that maybe will affect the end result. I am no expert though, but did try to find our how to do it at one point, couldnt find much written about it. The thing is with e liquid flavours, that they need to be very pure, as any gunk in them would gunk up your atomiser.

I think that a centrifuge is required after the initial extraction, to separate any solids completely, as it is the solids that may gunk the atomiser. Centrifuges are quite expensive.

 

[deezdrama]

Heres just one of the pics he sent me from his phone, he has about 3 times as many jars as this steeping right now and spent 70$ for a pound of vanilla beans, and $30 for anise, and a bunch of money on other stuff for this.

I just hope he is not wasting time and cash

 

[deezdrama]

I think that if using alcohol for extraction, it should be vodka, as whiskey and rum have distinct flavours of their own that maybe will affect the end result. I am no expert though, but did try to find our how to do it at one point, couldnt find much written about it. The thing is with e liquid flavours, that they need to be very pure, as any gunk in them would gunk up your atomiser.

I think that a centrifuge is required after the initial extraction, to separate any solids completely, as it is the solids that may gunk the atomiser. Centrifuges are quite expensive.

ya I was thinking to myself vodka would of been a better choice when he told me what he was using.... I asked him about separating the oils and solids and he mentioned straining it through coffee filters lol

 

[deezdrama]

He really has his mind set on making a whole bunch of organic flavorings and next wants to work on tobacco flavor and possible nic extractions??? I told him I wouldnt mind trying to make my own juices a while back but I never did a whole lot of research- only a couple diy mixtures with vg , nic, and some madvapes flavorings. I wouldnt mind getting involved with his ordeal as long as he has his head in the right place and is starting out somewhat correct. Guess I got alot of research to do

 

[Hoosier]

Sugars, large fat molecules, and fiber-carbs are atty killers.

I doubt there are enough wood sugars in the liqueur to make much of a difference, unless the water and alcohol were removed from the mix.

I don't know if his effort is going to yield any usable results either, but I don't see it as something to stop either. (I've never been against folks destroying their own hardware. I have a long history of being hard on my toys and vehicles.)

 

[deezdrama]

Wow seems like a lot of effort when you can buy flavors relatively cheap.

This is what im concerned about- just seems time consuming and expensive to do this yourself- would there be any benefit to extracting his own flavors besides just being able to say he did it himself? I would think the readily available flavors would be more consistent and concentrated- unless theres some purer true organic form of flavor you could get by self extracting?

 

[deezdrama]

Sugars, large fat molecules, and fiber-carbs are atty killers.

I doubt there are enough wood sugars in the liqueur to make much of a difference, unless the water and alcohol were removed from the mix.

I don't know if his effort is going to yield any usable results either, but I don't see it as something to stop either. (I've never been against folks destroying their own hardware. I have a long history of being hard on my toys and vehicles.)

Lol- i think this is his mentality too- I gave him a bottle of bobas and he thinned it out with a few drops of whiskey and swears it vaped great out of his stardust carto- I think that sparked this whole thing off for him lol

 

[deezdrama]

heres some more of his extraction porn he sent to my phone

 

[deezdrama]

surely someone has tried to do this before right for ejuices I mean.... I guess if its at all possible and he gets some decent organic flavoring - then it may be worthwhile, Im OCD when it comes to researching things but theres so many threads and diy articles I dont even know where to start, and by DIY flavor extracting.... that really makes learning the basics of ejuice creating that much more complicated...

Anyone have any links or suggested articles to brush up on the basics of diy ejuice making?

All of your inputs are greatly appreciated!

 

[Liv2Ski]

heres some more of his extraction porn he sent to my phone
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Well at least he will have a nice supply of flavor infused whiskey and rum to drink.

 

[deezdrama]

Well at least he will have a nice supply of flavor infused whiskey and rum to drink.

LOL- same thing i told him last night at work- he brought me in a few of the soaked almonds he had to remove from a jar because of swelling- and they was quite tasty after lunch lol

 

[Xaria]

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Please keep us posted on how his progress is going. Has he tried any other extraction bases like PG? The extent of my extracts have been coffee and some organic mint from my garden, but the expense in his flavors blows my mind. More porn please.



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[Leothwyn]

Here's a thread about extracting coffee flavor. (I think it starts out talking about different coffee flavors that can be bought, but then it gets going on making your own with coffee grounds).
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/239733-coffee-flavor.html?

I've seen people talking about doing it with other things, like cinnamon and vanilla (may be in that same thread). I think fruits will be too sugary (atties and cartos won't last at all).

In the DIY section there's a sub-forum on extracting your own tobacco flavors. You'll find a lot of info that will be useful in extracting other flavors.

 

[deezdrama]

Subscribed.

Please keep us posted on how his progress is going. Has he tried any other extraction bases like PG? The extent of my extracts have been coffee and some organic mint from my garden, but the expense in his flavors blows my mind. More porn please.



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LOL- no I dont think he has, but im going to suggest he duplicate his steeping inventory with a second jar of each flavor in a pg mixture... I just need to learn what this mixture will be, lol. I think he said he has mint too - or is getting some.
I will get a list of everything he is getting flavors from and I think im gonna buy some pg and have him soak a second batch off everything to compare the results.

Here's a thread about extracting coffee flavor. (I think it starts out talking about different coffee flavors that can be bought, but then it gets going on making your own with coffee grounds).
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/239733-coffee-flavor.html?

I've seen people talking about doing it with other things, like cinnamon and vanilla (may be in that same thread). I think fruits will be too sugary (atties and cartos won't last at all).

In the DIY section there's a sub-forum on extracting your own tobacco flavors. You'll find a lot of info that will be useful in extracting other flavors.

Thanks for the headsup- will do some reading there

 

[chips]

Isn't propylene glycol an alcohol? In which case could the flavour ingredients possibly be steeped in that, to cut out the need for wasting any good spirits? The coffee filter is probably a good idea, I feel like trying this myself. I looked into it before, but thought a centrifuge would be necessary, which was too expensive. So I bought an icecream maker and started experimenting with DIY ice cream instead.

 

[Xaria]

I think a lot of us here who have did extracts just use a plain cheap coffee filter along with gravity.


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[buffaloguy]

Ive extracted coffees, teas, mints like peppermint, cinnamon (which i no longer vape), and even other dried and fresh herbs, all in PG. I havent tried using alcohol. I did delve briefly into extracting fruits in PG and it was a complete failure. Both lemons, and mangos. The problem is that although you get fantastic flavor extraction the natural sugar content is way too high and it can kill a brand spankin new atty.

From the research Ive done is most fruit flavor concentrates are distilled somehow. Many are a alc base and may also have some pg in them. Thats where I left off. I dont own distilling equipment.

As far as straining thru a coffee filter, it certainly works but the first strain can still let some particulates thru. Hold it up to a light and youll see. I strain mine two or three times.

 

[deezdrama]

how does the high sugar content effect the coils exactly? does it just gunk them up or does it pop the coil