DIY juice - Something seriously wrong

[Arriss]

Hi, been making my own Ejuice for awhile, but lost intrest in vaping, desired to return back to analog, cause juice were to sweet, even pg or vg alone taste sweet. What I mean by sweet, after taste is like sweet syrup. I order pg/vg from Liquid barn. Some flavor's I tried in the past, taste like soap, chemicals, perfume, etc.....

Returned to store the other day, purchased some juice, store juice was very delicious, not sweet at all, taste exactly like fruit's I favor, I even purchased some tobacco flavor juice, which taste like tobacco, with slight hint of sweetner, but still delicious, not sugary/sweet. So, I've been vaping store purchased juice. I was also very pleased with Mt. Baker juice, prior to diy.

I have no idea what I'm doing wrong with diy juice.

Is pg/vg different quality from different companies ? Are flavors different, even though let's say TFA brand ? Has anyone noticed differences between online vendor pg/vg or flavors ?

Do not desire to bash an online company, but I didn't begin complaining about sweet taste until using Liquid barn products, prior to that I was using Wizard labs.

Feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Arriss

 

[Froth]

Yes, different manufacturers of PG/VG can have different qualities. One of the biggest factors in how satisfying a DIY juice can be comes down to the quality of ingredients. Having never used Liquid Barn I cannot comment on their VG/PG but I will say that I've used Wizard Labs in the past for VG without issue, more recently I moved to buying 10lbs at a time(one Gal) from Bulk Apothecary Glycerin | Bulk Apothecary because the price is fantastic and the quality is what I expect.

Nicotine Brand/Purity can also have a huge change in how your juice tastes, a high quality nicotine from a reliable source is very important! Flavoring amount is also very important, one of my favorite DIY mixes uses Coconut Extra at 1.5% and I really love it, however if you bump that flavor up to just 4% it tastes like putrid burned chemicals and ruins the juice entirely. Very small amounts of change can have huge effects and flavors from different manufacturers can taste completely different regardless of having the same flavor name.

The store bought juices aren't much different than a DIY mix, the key is using high quality ingredients and flavorings in the proper portions. Some flavors will shine at 4-7% and others will be horrible at anything over 2%, some flavors might need a complimentary flavor to bring out an undertone in that specific flavoring. High quality tasty juice is almost an art form, and very small changes can have very large effects.

 

[BrotherBob]

This is a consensus type thing. Whatever someone recommends. You might want to use search in upper right hand corner and enter something like: "brand name" taste and read what everyone says about the item. Chances are your tastes might fall in with everyones. Who knows, you might find some products that most people do not like and can cross them off the list.

 

[Arriss]

Yes, different manufacturers of PG/VG can have different qualities. One of the biggest factors in how satisfying a DIY juice can be comes down to the quality of ingredients. Having never used Liquid Barn I cannot comment on their VG/PG but I will say that I've used Wizard Labs in the past for VG without issue, more recently I moved to buying 10lbs at a time(one Gal) from Bulk Apothecary Glycerin | Bulk Apothecary because the price is fantastic and the quality is what I expect............

Thanks Froth, very helpful information. Will be ordering from WL. Only disadvantage is, WL is alway's out of stock and shipping takes forever, all other vendors 2-3 day arrival time, even from Wa to Tx. Reason I began ordering from other online vendors. Yeah, noticed I didn't have any problems with WL.

Anyway, I was under the impression, all online vendors ingredient were the same. Just looked at pg/vg bottles, from different vendors, they come from different manufacturer's. Oh boy, what a learning process diy is, Lol !!!

 

[Arriss]

This is a consensus type thing. Whatever someone recommends. You might want to use search in upper right hand corner and enter something like: "brand name" taste and read what everyone says about the item. Chances are your tastes might fall in with everyones. Who knows, you might find some products that most people do not like and can cross them off the list.

Thanks Bob, very good idea. I rarely ever searched any information. I truly believed all vendor quality was the same. They all abide by certain standards.

 

[Froth]

This may help explain some of the different processes that you can get VG from, there are many different ways of ending up with VG from different base products.

Vegetable Glycerin Explaines

 

[Train2]

Definitely differences.
If you make some "unflavored" - just nic/PG/VG, you can get a flavor already.
VG tends to be naturally a little sweet.
Some vendors' nic base has a slight peppery flavor - some doesn't.

Personally, I get my VG and PG from "Essential Depot" - they ship direct, and it's a deal if you buy BIG bottles - otherwise, look them up on Amazon for cheaper shipping.
For Nic, I've used MyFreedomSmokes, and Wizard Labs, and Nude Nicotine - and I liked all of 'em.
A LOT of people say the "cleanest" nic is from Vapers Tek, I just haven't gotten any of theirs yet.

 

[satchvai]

I've had great results from essential depot as well.

 

[BrotherBob]

Thanks Bob, very good idea. I rarely ever searched any information. I truly believed all vendor quality was the same. They all abide by certain standards.

I have similar tastes as Train2 post.

 

[Arriss]

Thanks everyone, going to try a different approach, refrain from flavor mixing, trying to create the ultimate flavor juice, Lol !!!! Sort of went nuts ordering sample flavors, believe all newbie first mistake. Stick with one flavor till I perfect to my taste. My favorites thus far is banana and apple. Certainly hope I can find the magical taste.

 

[mhertz]

Unless the producer seriously screws up there product, then there shouldn't be very much difference in taste of different vgs/pgs. All vg and pg are sweet by defenition; they're sugar alcohols afterall. For my taste, then pg is more sweet than vg. Maybe not more sweet exactly, but atleast on par, but it's just a very different sweetness to me. If you e.g. try to taste some pg on a spoon, then you should imho be getting bitter sweet alcoholicy syrup. Vg is sweet mild honey to me. Vg is about half as sweet as table sugar by itself, btw(when eaten).

You can also try dilluting using water in your mix and also e.g. saline would probably be good to neutralize the sweetness somewhat.

I use 80/20 vg/water unflavored, and it's slightly sweet by itself in such mix, but not overpowering though... I've used 5 vendors vg I believe by now...

There are some that report that there vg is sweeter than others, so maybe it's a good idea to try another vendor to be sure, but all vg will be very sweet e.g. if tasting it directly, as if it isn't half as sweet as table sugar, then it's simply not glycerin, period... The same with pg...

 

[Arriss]

Thanks for info friend, what I don't understand is, how store/online purchase juice is not overpowering sweet. Most online juice has to be steeped, for flavor.

When I vape pg only, base is very sweet. Juices I make does not have to be steeped at all. So, something is used to neutralize the sweetness in Ejuice.

In the past, if I purchase banana, apple, pina colada Ejuice, vape taste exactly like flavors, not sugar syrup.

As my tastebuds returned I had to reduce flavor to 0, cause diy juice was to sweet. Then I discover pg only is very sweet, and vg more sweet. There's more to diy juice then mixing flavors together. People have discovered way's to reduce sweetness, as you've shared try some water. So, will experiment with water, C what happens.

 

[Arriss]

Oh wow, just had a thought. Nicotine is probaly a neutralizer. I vape 0 nic. Back to experimenting, Lol !!

 

[mhertz]

You're most welcome, mate

Yes, nic is indeed a neutralizer, so I should have mentioned that also, sorry, but I didn't know you used zero nic though...

Sometimes when I do some nic taste-testings between different nics, then I also often make a zero nic mix, so as to be sure to be able to differentiate what notes the nic adds to the mix. Normally, I only need to do that with extremelly clean nics like chemnovatic, where it's hard for me to pinpoint the nic taste itself...

Even at 3mg, where i'm at, then the nic changes the flavor, and with the very clean nics, then I can not really taste the nic much at 3mg, but still can taste the lesser sweetness though, as the nic is a neutralizer as you stated

Water is fine, but saline would probably be even better, i'm thinking, allthough i've never tried saline...

Flavors in my experience can also be a sweetness neutralizer and a big one even.

I cannot e.g. vape a mix unflavored with 70% pg or more, as it's way to sweet for me. However, when then adding flavors that aren't very sweet themselves, like e.g. realistic fruit flavors(e.g. inawera's), then I can vape it much better then...

You'll just have to experiment a little I guess

Good luck!

 

[Arriss]

Thought I'd return, update this thread. Discovered vendor pg/vg was to sweet. Ordered from WL, pg/vg and flavors, sweetness disappeared. Also, purchased an Aspire Triton tank, all I can say is wow !!! I love the Triton tank. Kanger tanks were decent, but the tip draw was restrictive, battery would shut off before I finished tank draw. With Triton adjustable, restrictive to airy draw, draw is very easy, smooth, quick draw, luvin it. Also tank is 3ml, so I don't have to fill several times a day. Using 20W battery, 1.6 coil, produces major vape cloud, alot more then cig, can't imagine what Triton does with sub ohm coil, neighbor will call fire dept, Lol !!!!

Going to be honest, I began analog's again for awhile, reason for my disappearance, to much life stress, now I'm back to vaping only.

 

[28if]

First and foremost, don't every quit quitting.

Second, having spent the better part of my first 4 months of mixing trying to make the best juice anyone has ever tasted [emoji1] a hard and costly lesson I learned - try and stick to one concentrate / flavor manufacturer. I bought from everyone and then tried to mix and it was at best, pig swill.

Then I found that if I stuck to one manufacturer I started to understand their flavors and percentages and how they interacted with each other.

Now, I'm making some mixes that will keep me off the smokes at a fraction of the cost of store bought juices. YMMV

 

[mhertz]

I'm glad that you're finding something you like, which of course is the most important thing...

However, it's strange that you found issues with your vg and pg, because I just looked up what you got from liquid barn, and they use dow for pg, which practically every ejuice/nic-base vendor uses and 99.96% pure, and Musim Mas for vg, which also is used by a bunch and also e.g. nicotine river. It is the highest purity i've seen yet; 99.9% and from palm. Musim mas is one of the biggest palm producers in the world and from indonisia and it's said that the best palm is from indonisia...

 

[sketchness]

Welcome back and get a spot of nicotine in your juice. It keeps me settled and not needing a smoke.

And let us know how it is going for you mixing

 

[Arriss]

Thanks friends, planning on sticking with WL, my problem didn't start till after I tried LB. Maybe my taste bud's decide to go wonkers, after ordering from LB, don't know. What I do know is, I don't have any issues with WL, I"m back to tootle puffin Certainly will have to increase the nic after analogs for a few weeks, I'm at 6% right now, so far so good. Will update my progress.

 

[Arriss]

Wow ! this Triton tank works to good. Great nic delivery. At first I was barely inhaling off tip, till I get use to the feel. Triton produces massive vape clouds. None of my Kanger tanks even come close, anyway earlier tonight, I go back to my regular tip draw (inhale), same as Protank 3. I exhale, began coughing up a storm, readjust, take a few more hits, afterwards felt dizzy, heart began pounding up a storm !!!! I was like wow !!! Need to cut nic back down 3% or reduce inhale. I'm learning tank's do make a difference in vape delivery.