DIY Lessons I've learned

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adeline

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Thank goodness for this forum.

Aside from quitting smoking (and getting my boyfriend to do the same), and staying sane while I did it, finding the world of DIY brought new benefits. Ordering pre-mixed liquids was really hit-or-miss. I'd find a cheap vendor with a couple good flavors, load up on more, and not like any of them. A lot of pre-mixes I have right now I really can't stand. But I am glad I kept them, because it gave my boyfriend a good idea of what's out there and what he likes. I spent a LOT of money on juices, and rarely found winners. I'd discover an amazing flavor, and order more, and it tasted nothing like my last order.

Enter DIY. I was a true noob. I really didn't know what I was doing, and made some really gross creations (my s'more attempt was so revolting I dumped it out. My wint-o-mint had no sweetener and could probably strip paint off a car).

With help from the forum, I'm making some really good stuff, especially tobaccos, which I had essentially given up on. Now I crave what I make.

Lessons? Oh yeah!
1) Less is more. I started mixing at like 20% strength. Wow. No wonder I wanted to give up. Now I start at about 2% for my flavors, working up if I need to.

2) Do try your flavors by themselves. I find that mixing individual liquids allows you to pinpoint exactly what you're vaping and what complements a particular flavor. I can figure out what it needs after I figure out what it has.

3) Steep! I hate it. I despise waiting 10 minutes to mix the juice, let alone up to 10 days to taste it! But it does make a difference to me, especially as I mix multiple flavors. Especially tobaccos.

4) Don't rely on one brand or vendor. Experiment with multiple brands of flavorings. Reading these forums has steered me in the right direction.

5) READ THE DIY FORUMS! Discussion and reviews really help me figure out what flavors to buy, to try and get the flavors I want. Other folks' experiences have led me to try things I normally would not have, with wonderful results!

6) Shop around. You can find great deals and amazing ripoffs. It's important to know the difference. Vendors you've used in the past, and some you've never heard of, might carry multiple brands of flavorings. Paying to ship on just one order (instead of 2 or 3), might mean 1 or 2 or even 3 small bottles of flavoring.

7) Ask questions. If you don't know, or you're not sure, ask. I've heard of folks accidentally vaping 40mg juice, or not even knowing what strength they mixed!

8) Learn the basics. Before purchasing anything, figure out exactly what you're going to need. Figure out what you can buy in bulk, what you can buy locally. Don't forget about measuring and mixing equipment. Don't run out of bottles. Buy a couple extra syringes (one of mine now has no mL markings, and another has none above 2mL! Time to get more!). Always use an e-juice calculator!

9) Don't give up! Don't give up on one bad juice. Don't give up on DIY because you can't find what you want. Come back to the forum and ask! Taste is very subjective, but the chances are good that you can get a new idea, or some great advice.


DIY has been very economical for me. I am really enjoying my creations these days, and I wouldn't have come to this point if it were not for diligence and this forum!
 

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This should be a sticky.

I'm slowly working my way into DIY one flavor at a time. I can mix a 12 or 18 mg base and add a drop of two of menthol flavoring to create something I enjoy. I also am mentholing my collection of tired premixed fruit juices to use them up. Does that count for DIY?

Thanks for the inspiration. I'd love to create a good solid tobacco and will work up to it.
 

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This should be a sticky.

I'm slowly working my way into DIY one flavor at a time. I can mix a 12 or 18 mg base and add a drop of two of menthol flavoring to create something I enjoy. I also am mentholing my collection of tired premixed fruit juices to use them up. Does that count for DIY?

Thanks for the inspiration. I'd love to create a good solid tobacco and will work up to it.

Do you like RY4 joose? TFA/TPA Ry4 "Double" is good IMO and easy to work with, Perfumers Apprentice - RY4 Double

for more options I'd suggest picking up some Tobacco Absolute (same TPA/TFA) I get the "axle grease" and dilute it with PG (2 drops per 10ml PG- CAUTION STILL VERY STRONG flavoring -- a drop or two per 10ML "finished joose" to start with) some like TA some hate it, I'm liking it so far.

Perfumers Apprentice - Tobacco Absolute (1. Pure)

I use EM crystals (makes a concentrated smoother/sweetener depending on amount used) also with the TA Perfumers Apprentice - Ethyl Maltol crystals


 
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Jason McRoy

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Very good post indeed. I too went the route of making some really awful stuff before I started getting it right. I was feeling like I was wasting my PG and VG for a while there and just about ready to give it up.

Now, I have about 60ml of two different flavors that I love ready to be vaped and one more in the works. Woo Hoo!
 

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excellent tips adelene! all of the above have gotten me through not wasting my money on inconsistency in premixed flavors.

i used to throw out bad batches, but now i just tame them back down with ethyl maltol and vape them.

i am GUILTY of not steeping!

i especially like that you go s-l-o-w. I'm like that too. and i smell each flavoring before i add it to the mix, because gawd knows, they do change. I have 1/2 a 30ml bottle of Ry4 double that has turned to vinegar. if i had used it, i don't think even EM would fix it lol
 

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Yes I have, Hoosier. That's how I know I'm using too much. The flavor starts out great for about the first 30 minutes. After that it goes muted until I can barely taste it at all. I know it's because I have too much and it's hitting my taste buds too hard and numbing them. I just made a new batch last night with significantly less flavor percentage in it. It's steeping right now, but I'm optimistic that it'll be a good amount of flavor that won't kill my taste buds.
 

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Fantastic pointers!
I could still be considered new to DIYing my own juice, but I can say with a certainty that it, along with my introduction to bigger batteries, is what kept me vaping. When it comes to juices, I am very picky and need variety, which is a combination that the demands control that only DIY can give. Vendor juices were mostly misses for me, and most of the hits were too expensive to be buying on the regular. That DIY is cheaper (or would have been if I hadn't of gone flavor happy) was the icing on top of the cake. But if I had not of stumbled into the DIY forums here on ECF when I did, I probably would have threw in the towel because I am so persnickety. Thankfully, I did and could not be happier with my life saving hobby.
Something I have discovered about steeping is that once you nail some all day vapes, it is easier to allow new creations to steep. I had to have a dozen or so concoctions before I was distracted enough by my tried and true to leave alone my fresh and new.
 

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I too jumped into diy after about 3 weeks of vaping. I've made some concoctions that were un-vapable for sure tho! One was a caramel mocha. Huge disapointment! Then I let it steep.... Much better, but still not what I'm looking for!

That is what I love about diy though! Get an idea that you will be fantastic and turns out horrid! Try something that you think will be not so great (black cherry dk comes to mind) and it turns out great!
 
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