DIY Noobie adds peppermint extract oil to his vape

[vaper1960]

Just take a look under your average person's kitchen sink... bleach, draino, CLR (strong acid), lysol (contains phenols), oven cleaner (strong alkaline), metal polish (toxic solvents), ect. That's why we have child-proof latches. People are ignorant (at least I didn't use the "S" word) and will find ways to harm themselves. Now lets go look around the garage

 

[vaper1960]

I seem to remember mom putting "Vicks Vapor Rub" in the steam vaporizer when we were kids... "helps clear up your chest"

 

[vaper1960]

One of the black market THC vapes tested 40% oil additive.

 

[Zazie]

Just take a look under your average person's kitchen sink... bleach, draino, CLR (strong acid), lysol (contains phenols), oven cleaner (strong alkaline), metal polish (toxic solvents), ect. That's why we have child-proof latches. People are ignorant (at least I didn't use the "S" word) and will find ways to harm themselves. Now lets go look around the garage

And what about stoves?

 

[sonicbomb]

Though I an unwilling to underestimate peoples capacity for stupidity, there is a war being waged against us and this story smells off.

 

[vaper1960]

I have a lot of trouble believing 3 tiny drops of peppermint oil already diluted in a 90% alcohol and water base - then furthered diluted in an liquid base -caused lipid pneumonia in one day.

So I read the entire discussion. Even though I also doubt 3 drops would cause this, it was oil and alcohol (double trouble) Maybe he is a "cloud chaser" chain vaping at high watts. All this combined for a stronger reaction. Someone else posted that a certain (proper) flavor caused issues (I got one e-juice that really bothered my throat... not sure why) OP may have had previous lung issues so his lungs were less tolerant. He admitted his mistake (I don't think he is a "troll"... just a fool) and may have helped prevent others from making the same mistake. BTW, clove oil is super dangerous! Hope nobody tries that in DIY juice.
Unfortunately, someone did mention these forums... we don't need that! There was a person on here asking about putting a mint leaf in his tank for flavor. Several of us (including me) said it might be OK in moderation, but also warned that any oils are risky. If they had asked about the peppermint food concentrate I would have said "hell no!"

 

[Punk In Drublic]

3 drops equates to roughly 0.2ml. 80% of that, assuming that is the alcohol content is ~0.16ml. 10%, again assuming that is the max peppermint oil content is ~0.02ml. The user claims to have used a Smok V8 which is a 5ml tank.

Many flavourings we use contain alcohol. Just finished a 12 flavour at 15% recipe – 3 flavourings that I was able to find info on contained 3, 50 and 20% alcohol. With one of those containing 10% oil extract from the fruit. Can’t be bothered doing to the math but quick analysis tells me that those 3 flavours combined contain more alcohol than what was consumed by the Reddit user…or so he claims. And I chuck clouds – in my social circles I am referred to as “Punk, the cloud chucker, in Drublic”!

Quick Google shows back in the day many have tried flavour extract in their e-juice, including McCormicks Peppermint. They claimed it did not vape well, but none reported trips to the ER.

What I find bizarre with this story is given the hype and controversy surrounding vaping and lung damage, why would any physician just claim a reaction, give the patient a lollypop and send him/her home without extensive tests. Especially after a second visit. Not a single mention of a chest x-ray.

 

[vaper1960]

Punk, you do make a good point.

 

[Skeebo]

I guess it's safe to assume cinnamon oil is unsafe as well. I use to burn myself heavily with that stuff in the third grade making blackmarket hot toothpicks. I put myself through grade school that way.... milk for everyone on Fridays. So, Tabasco is safe though? AmIrite?

 

[AvaOrchid]

"If you drop a little bit of nicotine on your skin, it can send you to the hospital" (Glantz).

If I have to hear much more from that Glantz guy I think I'm going to end up in the hospital.

 

[smacuser]

Jeez, did that guy say he got the idea off of ECF?

 

[AvaOrchid]

Yes I believe he did. If you search it similar information comes up on this forum but if you read further you will see that there are some stipulations and some further explanation.

 

[AvaOrchid]

3 drops equates to roughly 0.2ml. 80% of that, assuming that is the alcohol content is ~0.16ml. 10%, again assuming that is the max peppermint oil content is ~0.02ml. The user claims to have used a Smok V8 which is a 5ml tank.

Many flavourings we use contain alcohol. Just finished a 12 flavour at 15% recipe – 3 flavourings that I was able to find info on contained 3, 50 and 20% alcohol. With one of those containing 10% oil extract from the fruit. Can’t be bothered doing to the math but quick analysis tells me that those 3 flavours combined contain more alcohol than what was consumed by the Reddit user…or so he claims. And I chuck clouds – in my social circles I am referred to as “Punk, the cloud chucker, in Drublic”!

Quick Google shows back in the day many have tried flavour extract in their e-juice, including McCormicks Peppermint. They claimed it did not vape well, but none reported trips to the ER.

What I find bizarre with this story is given the hype and controversy surrounding vaping and lung damage, why would any physician just claim a reaction, give the patient a lollypop and send him/her home without extensive tests. Especially after a second visit. Not a single mention of a chest x-ray.

Yeah that doesn't seem very realistic in this current climate. Not to mention there is mandatory reporting I think Nationwide but at least in most places that I've seen these illnesses so the CDC would be involved or the local government at least. That is if I'm not mistaken but I do know that there is mandatory reporting I just don't know exactly where. Anyone can have a allergic reaction at any time. This type of stuff right here though should show politicians if they're going to be truthful and honest why a ban is a terrible idea but usually politicians go the opposite way and they'll double down and try to ban food flavoring not that I actually think that's going to be feasible

 

[vaper1960]

I guess it's safe to assume cinnamon oil is unsafe as well.

I hate to admit this, but I recently was looking for cinnamon extract at the grocery store because I just needed a small amount for my "french toast" DIY juice. I knew better, but thought "it's just a tiny amount". Kinda glad they didn't have it.
I do agree that if they impose a flavor ban there will more people trying stuff like this.
I also noticed someone asked that guy "how old are you?"... I don't think he responded.
Like I said, clove oil is super dangerous. I can see someone who used to smoke clove cigs (they were a common import at fancy cig shops) trying this. Problem is, they also sell it for tooth issues (pure clove oil... euginol) It would certain;y destroy your lungs if vaped (even a few drops!)
EUGENOL | CAMEO Chemicals | NOAA

 

[vaper1960]

When I was younger, I tried strong tea made from nutmeg (it does actually give you an interesting high but it also upset my stomach so bad I would never try it again) I can see some young person trying that too... jeeze, what if they say they read it here on ECF.
DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT advocate vaping anything beside approved standard e-juice products! Specifically DO NOT use any oil, extracts containing oils and/or alcohol, or any other compound (natural or artificial) for the purposes of getting a "buzz" (except nicotine in reasonable amounts)

 

[Blitzdonlife]

This why I tell people not to put flavorings from the grocery store in e-liquid. You might get lucky, you might not. It's like playing Russian Roulette. Sure, the ingredients are listed on the bottle. Knowing whether it is safe to inhale them is another matter. Plus, they aren't always labeled correctly. I see this happening more and more with the bans, what a mess.

 

[Katya]

This why I tell people not to put flavorings from the grocery store in e-liquid.

It's not just grocery store cinnamon flavorings that can cause problems. @Kurt has been warning us about the dangers of inhaling cinnamaldehyde for years:

"I also suspect someone at some point will be hospitalized due to cinnamon (cinnamaldehyde) inhalation. Cinnamaldehyde is a known lung irritant, and will cause blisters in the mouth, throat, etc. I get nervous when vendors try to see how hot they can make their cinnamon juices, and the health forum here has many posts from people getting sores and difficulty breathing who are surprised that it is likely their Cinnabomb, Cinnacide, or some other hot cinn juice. And this is no more an allergy to cinnamon than blisters from sulfuric acid are an allergy. Its a chemical burn, plain and simple."

Here are all his posts on the subject.
Search Results for Query: cinnamaldehyde | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[Tabac man]

When I was younger, I tried strong tea made from nutmeg (it does actually give you an interesting high but it also upset my stomach so bad I would never try it again) I can see some young person trying that too... jeeze, what if they say they read it here on ECF.
DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT advocate vaping anything beside approved standard e-juice products! Specifically DO NOT use any oil, extracts containing oils and/or alcohol, or any other compound (natural or artificial) for the purposes of getting a "buzz" (except nicotine in reasonable amounts)

When I was younger I smoked some ground nutmeg. The resulting headache was more a low than a high.

 

[Baditude]

Cinnamon flavor has been one of the most implicated e-liquid flavorings to cause potential harm to vapers. Nicotine, Propylene Glycol, and Glycerin have been used in either vaping or medical devices to deliver medications for years, but of all of the ingredients used in e-cigarette liquids, inhaling flavoring agents has had the least studies performed.

"A new study adds to growing evidence on the harmful health effects of e-cigarettes. The study finds that exposure to commonly used e-cigarette flavoring chemicals and liquids can cause significant inflammation to monocytes, a type of white blood cell. Moreover, many flavoring compounds are toxic, with cinnamon, vanilla and buttery flavors among the worst. It also finds that mixing e-cigarette flavors has a much worse effect than exposure to just one." -- E-cigarette flavors are toxic to white blood cells, warn scientists (2018)

"Your favorite vape flavor may be more harmful than the nicotine itself. Using stem cells to investigate the impact of e-liquids on cardiovascular disease, a new study has revealed the harmful effects of flavored e-cigarette liquids and e-cigarette use. The most toxic flavors: cinnamon and menthol." -- Vape Flavors' Harmful Effects Modeled in Stem Cell-derived Endothelial Cells (2019)

Some e-cig flavors could be more toxic than others (2019)

Menthol, Cinnamon Top the List of Dangerous Vape Flavors (2019)

These Are The 7 Most Toxic Vaping Flavors, According To Science (2019)

Do your own Google search. There's many more articles and studies. It's of interest to me because my favorite vapes in the last few years has been a variety of cinnamon desert flavors.

 

[stols001]

Gosh, who knows. People do dumb stuff all the time. I'm sure I'm not exempt.

I had an encounter with Nutmeg cookies on a class trip to somewhere, I forget. I had NO belief they would get me high in the slightest so I ate a LOT of them.

They were cookies, so it was an edible high, and it lasted FOREVER. I spent most of the trip laying in some bed somewhere, wishing for unconsciousness.

When I felt better, I went to some keg party in a cornfield.

But I never use nutmeg in ANYTHING anymore. OMG. It was the worst high EVER. Also, I met some guy who claimed he smoked it and hallucinated for 3 weeks. I have only ever met one person who claimed to enjoy the "nutmeg" and I think he was borderline MR. I guess repeated use of nutmeg will do that to you.

This story brought to you by: "Don't put nutmeg IN anything, LET alone your vape."

Also, "Let's all agree troll or not once the flavor bans FALL we have to HELP the poor NEW vapers cuz they are ALL gonna die.

Anna