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[jose06]

Took me a while to figure where I could post. This was sort of a last resort for me. I just started vaping after a friend put me on to it and I love it. That's coming from a guy who could easily get up to 2 packs a day. Ok, let me get to the point, my first juice was a 24mg tobacco flavor, and it worked for me. However, the reason I'm looking into DIY, is due to fact that some merchants don't list the ingredients on the bottle and I am getting ready to travel for a few weeks and don't wont to run out of juice.

Now, the question that I'm having a hard time finding a clear answer to this; There are 50/50 PG/VG blends. Then there are also 50/50 blends of the nicotine base. Now if i wanted to start with a 60/40 blend of PG/VG, what comes first ? Meaning, do I use both blends, separate PG and VG mixes ? I don't see the point in using 50/50 nic base, and the 50/50 PG/VG mix. In addition what concentrate would be ideal to begin with for the base? I know that they are up to 100 mg/ml and I'm not sure if that is meant to save juice or make it more potent.
Sorry for the long post, but I just would like know that difference, if there is one.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Hello and welcome to ecf. Happy turkey day to you.

I would first suggest reading in our DIY forum found here.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/search.php?searchid=20786620

But in order for you to post there, you first need to post in this thread for 5 posts. Then after waiting for the server to update, you will be able to post almost anywhere here at ecf.

You list your juice at 24mg. That means that for every mil there is 2.4mg of nic. Most nic bases are sold as unflavored mixed with pg/vg in almost any combo you want. You certainly do not want to buy a nic base of anything higher and just vape it. First, that would be considered very dangerous and secondly, no flavor may or may not be to your liking. To dilute a higher nic base you can choose using pg or vg or a combo of both.
pg will give you a throat hit plus a little bit more flavor
vg will give you more 'vapor' and is slightly sweet, but may tend to mute the flavor slightly.
The mix would depend on what you like, I personally use a 50/50 mix of pg/vg.

I think the highest concentration of nic that most vendors sell is the 100 mg, but you could certainly find one in 24mg and just add flavoring until you become more educated in the handling and the mixing process. Safety first is the best motto. Remember nic at higher levels than probably 36mg can be potentially damaging if absorbed thru you skin. Nic at 100mg is a poison.

Hope this helps a little.

Glad you found us.

Let us know how it is going.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

To reach a 60/40 pg/vg 24 nic diluting it from say 100 mg and you pick the nic base in all of pg, and accounting for most flavors are in pg, then you would mix

for a 30 ml bottle at 24mg 60/40 pg/vg you would need
7.20 ml nic base (24%) or 317 drops
7.80 ml plain pg (26%) or 234 drops
12 ml of plain vg(40%) or 336 drops
3ml of flavor(10%) or 99 drops
Hope this helps.
Remember this is just an estimate.

 

[Dakota Jim]

Welcome to the ECF

Happy to see you here

I started with DIY shortly after I started vaping (I also like to play the organ and make my friends say "yes, mahster" and walk with a hunched back and drag a foot (ie: Marty Feldman - Young Frankenstein - sorry youngsters - an

reference or for my younger friends, I talk like Snape to them (why no, no I don't have a life. Why do you ask?) when I am making e-liquid for them) and have found some things out for myself

1. read all the stickies in the DIY forum and then read all the posts and go with the most consistent answers from the oldsters there (have been in ECF longer than a year - but this advice does not include me of course, trust me, no, really, trust me)
2. droppers and pipettes are a pain in the @$$ - get syringes with blunt needles to do your measuring - get enough (I have 30 assorted sizes) and an assortment of sizes from 1ml to 30ml - vg will barely go through a 14 gauge needle - a catheter style 60ml syringe works great for vg
3. Get an assortment of different sized bottles, 5-10ml for experimenting, 30ml for known good recipes

(I have 120ml blue glass bottles for my all day vape recipe which then gets transferred to a 30ml for convenience)
4. Write down every mix so you can repeat the wins and know what fails - experiment with 5-10ml batches (trust me, it is easier to pour out a bad 5ml batch after a month of hopeful steeping than it is a 30ml) - Make sure you label each bottle with a "lot number" that matches your notes
5. do not waste money on an ultrasonic cleaner to speed up steeping time - I could not see that it saved any time and was frustrating to keep starting it every 480 seconds. Trust me on this one

I use the 60mg nic in pg base (most of my mixes are 70/30 or 60/40 - high vg doesn't wick as easily in tanks - High VG is great if you are a dripper though - Oh yeah, get a dripping atty for testing mixes (either bridgeless 510 style or an inexpensive RBA if you are handy and have a mod for checking resistance and for shorts (get Kanthal wire from either Amazon or Ebay (temco) - and you can use organic cotton available at Walgreens for the wick)

Only use the 48 and higher nic base if you are comfortable with the safety requirements for handling it (never mix above carpet in case you have a spill - much easier to clean a hard sealed surface - I also have everything on tray with sides to further prevent accidents (tray? who am I kidding? It's a big cookie sheet)

IMPORTANT - keep 48 and higher nic base locked up when you are not mixing (child and pet safety precaution - if you don't have kids you never know when someone may stop by with one (for some reason my friends won't leave their kids in the car unattended for hours - how do they go to the bar?)

I use the excel calc that Scubabatdan created http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-calculator-added-quantity-calculations.html

PG and VG from Amazon in 1 quart size

Propylene Glycol 1 Quart: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

Flavorings and Nic base from RTS Vapes (I prefer the TFA (aka TPA) flavors at 15% but this is my

)

DIY E-Cig Supplies & E-Cigarette Liquid | Make Your Own E-Liquid | RTS Vapes

Hope this helps (and sorry to ramble on, and on, and on, and on)

 

[MikeZ28]

Now, the question that I'm having a hard time finding a clear answer to this; There are 50/50 PG/VG blends. Then there are also 50/50 blends of the nicotine base. Now if i wanted to start with a 60/40 blend of PG/VG, what comes first ? Meaning, do I use both blends, separate PG and VG mixes ? I don't see the point in using 50/50 nic base, and the 50/50 PG/VG mix. In addition what concentrate would be ideal to begin with for the base? I know that they are up to 100 mg/ml and I'm not sure if that is meant to save juice or make it more potent.

Base without nic would be used to dilute the base with nic to a safe/desired level. You absolutely would not want to vape 100mg. Mix a 48mg base with with an equal amount of base with no nic and you would have twice as much base at 24mg of nic. When you add flavorings to the mix that lowers the overall nic percentage as well.

I'm not qualified to offer advise in diy yet but I would certainly suggest that until you gain some experience, work only with bases that have a lower quantity of nicotine (24mg or 36mg). 100mg nic is a serious health hazard if not handled or mixed down properly.

 

[jose06]

Thanks, everyone for their input. Just to clarify, it would be best working with a base of 48 and lower. OK, I could understand that higher are for those whom are more comfortable and experienced. However, I'm getting the impression that I should use a pg base, then after that I would use pg, vg or pg/vg dilute. This is in order to obtain a 70/30 or 60/40 blend. Therefore, for my needs a 50/50 blend of base is not really necessary.

 

[edyle]

Hello and welcome to ecf. Happy turkey day to you.

I would first suggest reading in our DIY forum found here.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/search.php?searchid=20786620

But in order for you to post there, you first need to post in this thread for 5 posts. Then after waiting for the server to update, you will be able to post almost anywhere here at ecf.

You list your juice at 24mg. That means that for every mil there is 2.4mg of nic. Most nic bases are sold as unflavored mixed with pg/vg in almost any combo you want. You certainly do not want to buy a nic base of anything higher and just vape it. First, that would be considered very dangerous and secondly, no flavor may or may not be to your liking. To dilute a higher nic base you can choose using pg or vg or a combo of both.
pg will give you a throat hit plus a little bit more flavor
vg will give you more 'vapor' and is slightly sweet, but may tend to mute the flavor slightly.
The mix would depend on what you like, I personally use a 50/50 mix of pg/vg.

I think the highest concentration of nic that most vendors sell is the 100 mg, but you could certainly find one in 24mg and just add flavoring until you become more educated in the handling and the mixing process. Safety first is the best motto. Remember nic at higher levels than probably 36mg can be potentially damaging if absorbed thru you skin. Nic at 100mg is a poison.

Hope this helps a little.

Glad you found us.

Let us know how it is going.

1: that link you posted didnt work.
2: you mean 24mg right? not 2.4mg --quote-- "You list your juice at 24mg. That means that for every mil there is 2.4mg of nic."




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Well I did some searching around and here is an example where they're clearly using mg per ml.

DIY Liquid Nicotine Solution & DIY E Liquid | DIY E Cig Liquid, DIY E Cigarette Liquid
DIY Liquid Nicotine Solution & DIY E Liquid | DIY E Cig Liquid, DIY E Cigarette Liquid

60ml 6mg/ml Nicotine Liquid

Our Price: $3.59 In Stock

60ml of .6% (6mg/ml) Nicotine mixed with the highest quality, USP Grade, Kosher, Propylene Glycol or Vegetable Glycerin available.

 

[jose06]

No it does not work. When I referred to 24 mg, that was a premixed juice that I am OK with. I'm basically speaking about anything from 18-24 mg Strength. My only real concern was base blends with 50/50 and dilutions.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

So sorry guys. try here
DIY E-Liquid




When we refer to 24mg in already mixed ejuice to vape that means that there is 2.4mg of nic in every 1 ml of ejuice.

Hope this helps.

 

[edyle]

So sorry guys. try here
DIY E-Liquid




When we refer to 24mg in already mixed ejuice to vape that means that there is 2.4mg of nic in every 1 ml of ejuice.

Hope this helps.

I can't believe this; so you're are you saying when I buy eliq or cartriges and they are labelled 24mg, it means 24 mg per centilitre ?

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

No it does not work. When I referred to 24 mg, that was a premixed juice that I am OK with. I'm basically speaking about anything from 18-24 mg Strength. My only real concern was base blends with 50/50 and dilutions.

If you choose to buy unflavored nic based, you get a choice of pg or vg or a mix of both. They will not send you just the nic by itself. It is considered too dangerous unless you are a licensed pharma company.

ejuice that we vape consist of
nic
pg/vg in any combo
flavor
so in your case if you are looking for a 60pg/40vg then you would probably need to buy the nic in either pg OR vg and buy unflavored pg OR vg to dilute.
Some people like to buy a nic base 50/50 blend because they can also by a mixture of pg/vg. That would be their preference for them is easier to calculate. i.e. if they buy a 48mg 50/50 nic base and want a 24mg 50/50 base all they do is split the original in half. That doesn't account for the flavoring tho, and flavors are usually mixed with pg.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I can't believe this; so you're are you saying when I buy eliq or cartriges and they are labelled 24mg, it means 24 mg per centilitre ?

per milimeter or cc

 

[Ryedan]

Now, the question that I'm having a hard time finding a clear answer to this; There are 50/50 PG/VG blends. Then there are also 50/50 blends of the nicotine base. Now if i wanted to start with a 60/40 blend of PG/VG, what comes first ? Meaning, do I use both blends, separate PG and VG mixes ? I don't see the point in using 50/50 nic base, and the 50/50 PG/VG mix. In addition what concentrate would be ideal to begin with for the base? I know that they are up to 100 mg/ml and I'm not sure if that is meant to save juice or make it more potent.

What I suggest you do is get a juice mixing calculator like eJuice Me Up here. It can be a bit tricky to get to know the finer points of the program, but the how to pages on that site are great.

After you figure out how to use the program all you have to do is plug in numbers for different combinations of ingredient specifications and you will see if you can make what you want from what you have. You will need to use some kind of program like this to create recipes for the juices you want to make.

Hope this helps.

 

[jose06]

OK, believe that's what I was looking for. Basically the 50/50 base is for easier calculations. I think I would be better of getting separate pg and vg to dilute and stick to a pg base. Does that sound correct ? I'll be gone for 2 months any recommendations on sizes to get.

 

[Ryedan]

I can't believe this; so you're are you saying when I buy eliq or cartriges and they are labelled 24mg, it means 24 mg per centilitre ?

No, it's 24 MG/ML.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

OK, believe that's what I was looking for. Basically the 50/50 base is for easier calculations. I think I would be better of getting separate pg and vg to dilute and stick to a pg base. Does that sound correct ? I'll be gone for 2 months any recommendations on sizes to get.

Sounds ok to me
Please go here to read. And please read the entire post. I think it may help to explain things a little better

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ew-rules-applied-nicotine-discussion-ecf.html

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

1: that link you posted didnt work.
2: you mean 24mg right? not 2.4mg --quote-- "You list your juice at 24mg. That means that for every mil there is 2.4mg of nic."




=====edit=====

Well I did some searching around and here is an example where they're clearly using mg per ml.

DIY Liquid Nicotine Solution & DIY E Liquid | DIY E Cig Liquid, DIY E Cigarette Liquid
DIY Liquid Nicotine Solution & DIY E Liquid | DIY E Cig Liquid, DIY E Cigarette Liquid

60ml 6mg/ml Nicotine Liquid

Our Price: $3.59 In Stock

60ml of .6% (6mg/ml) Nicotine mixed with the highest quality, USP Grade, Kosher, Propylene Glycol or Vegetable Glycerin available.

Isn't that what I said? The OP was referring to his already mixed ejuice at 24mg. And I broke it down to mil. So I am not understand where you are getting a problem?

 

[edyle]

Oh I think I know what happened now:

"You list your juice at 24mg. That means that for every mil there is 2.4mg of nic."
What you meant was %:
You list your juice at 24mg. That means that for every mil there is 2.4% of nic.

 

[Ryedan]

OK, believe that's what I was looking for. Basically the 50/50 base is for easier calculations. I think I would be better of getting separate pg and vg to dilute and stick to a pg base. Does that sound correct ? I'll be gone for 2 months any recommendations on sizes to get.

It's not for easier calcs. Most flavors are in a base of PG and are considered 100% pg. So if you want for example 90% VG juice and you use for example 20% flavoring by volume, you start with 20% of your juice being PG. You will then never be able to reach 100% or 90% VG juice.

In the same way if you use a VG/PG base of a specific mix, or nic base of a specific PG/VG mix, if either of those are the wrong mix you may not be able to achieve the juice you want. The only way to make sure you have the right ingredient mix is to run it through a recipe calculator.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Oh I think I know what happened now:

"You list your juice at 24mg. That means that for every mil there is 2.4mg of nic."
What you meant was %:
You list your juice at 24mg. That means that for every mil there is 2.4% of nic.

I stand corrected...thank you. I guess what I meant is not what I typed. Its late here.(or early depending on your view) LOL