Diyers need help with calculation

[bombastinator]

My nic comes in the same bottle as the 100mg and I use the same measuring tools everyone else does. How are my measurements less accurate?

Not your measurements, his “I think”.

The definition of “you” got confused there. Pronouns are annoying that way.

 

[GOMuniEsq]

I love how everyone is making the math seem so difficult.
All you have to do is use ANY juice calc and pretend you're adding nic to a zero nic base to get to 6mg.

You win this thread.

 

[greek mule]

You win this thread.

Yep he's the man!

 

[Dudeman]

You win this thread.

Probably helps that I always buy flavored juice between 3-6mg and bump the MG's when I want to use it in a MTL device.

 

[Rossum]

I love how everyone is making the math seem so difficult.

Bombastinator and Greek Mule didn't. They both explained the math in a manner that anyone should be able to understand. Only go GOMuniEsq made it seem difficult.

All you have to do is use ANY juice calc and pretend you're adding nic to a zero nic base to get to 6mg. Viola! 12 mg juice.

Sure, one can take that approach, but it does nothing to help increase the person's understanding.

You NEED to know what MG your nic is though.

We're in 100% agreement here.

 

[Dudeman]

Bombastinator and Greek Mule didn't. They both explained the math in a manner that anyone should be able to understand. Only go GOMuniEsq made it seem difficult.


Sure, one can take that approach, but it does nothing to help increase the person's understanding.


We're in 100% agreement here.

That approach is precisely why we have calculators and computers.

 

[Rossum]

Does point out the inherent lack of precision though. That 120ml bottle may have only “somewhere around 120ml” in it.

Yep. And is it really 6.0? Or is it 5.7 or 6.3? Since we don't know, I don't think we need to worry about accuracy of measurement in the 3rd significant figure when measuring the base to be added either.

 

[Foggyroomz]

e-cigvape recipe calculator will allow you to make the calculations you need because it allows for flavors that contain nicotine. This will allow you to add to your premixed juices and not have it be a dangerous event.

 

[stols001]

Wow. Math indeed. I do not even understand the question.

OP are you saying you have a certain amount of 3 mg/ml eliquid (perhaps 120 mg) and you want to know how much higher strength nic you need to use?

IF that is the question well, I would still try out some nic calculators to VERIFY your answer, if this thread tells me ANYTHING at all it is that a LOT of things can get lost in translation.

So, whatever answer you "pick" please for the love of all that is holy, make sure you can get that figured out and verified by a good nix calculator. Be safe. Good luck.

Anna

 

[bombastinator]

Wow. Math indeed. I do not even understand the question.

OP are you saying you have a certain amount of 3 mg/ml eliquid (perhaps 120 mg) and you want to know how much higher strength nic you need to use?

IF that is the question well, I would still try out some nic calculators to VERIFY your answer, if this thread tells me ANYTHING at all it is that a LOT of things can get lost in translation.

So, whatever answer you "pick" please for the love of all that is holy, make sure you can get that figured out and verified by a good nix calculator. Be safe. Good luck.

Anna

One think I haven’t seen yet in this thread is a link for one. Part of the issue is there are so many kinds. There are a bunch of android apps for android phones and a couple for apple phones and a few pc programs and a few Mac programs and a bunch of online web apps. Hard to know which to recommend. Also I personally don’t use them generally because I keep my mixing real simple and don’t need them so I don’t know much about them.

 

[Rossum]

One think I haven’t seen yet in this thread is a link for one. Part of the issue is there are so many kinds. There are a bunch of android apps for android phones and a couple for apple phones and a few pc programs and a few Mac programs and a bunch of online web apps. Hard to know which to recommend. Also I personally don’t use them generally because I keep my mixing real simple and don’t need them so I don’t know much about them.

Yep. I just use Excel.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Yep. I just use Excel.

Agree – developed my own excel calculator that can be used on any device. The calculations are not difficult if you know the needed values – the later is key to an accurate mix but easily found.

 

[stols001]

Steam engine has one. Everyone forgets about it because of the coil stuff, but it is fairly reliable and no need to download anything. I've used it. Maybe not for this, but it's easy to use.
Anna

 

[zapped]

Bah. Ok let’s do it grade school style:

120mg of juice at 6mg/ml means total nic in the bottle is 120x6=720mg of nic in the bottle. For 12mg/ml you need double that, or 1440mg total nic in a 120ml bottle.

So you add a certain amount of high nic base.

You seem to claim you’ve got 300mg/ml base to work with. “You think”.

“You think” is a real problem here. You need to know.

It’s important if you want to get it right. I personally have never seen 300mg/ml base. The strongest stuff I have personally seen sold is 100mg/ml so “300 I think” smells of bad things.

At any rate let’s pretend for the moment that it’s 300mg/ml

You need to add 720mg of nic. With 300mg/ml that’s 2.4ml. The problem is that if you add 2.4ml to 120ml you have 122.4ml and it doesn’t fit in the bottle any more.

There are a couple ways around this. Because we’re just pretending I can do it how ever I want, so I’m going to waste 3ml of the 120ml bottle by pouring it in the trash of vaping it or surreptitiously rubbing it on a nearby cow or something (the last one is evil btw. Don’t do that)

So now I’ve got 117ml of juice and a bit of room in the bottle. 117ml of 6mg/ml juice has 702mg of nic in it. To get it up to 1440 we need to add high nic base. 1440-702=738mg. Or 2.46ml of 300mg-ml base.

Now notice a couple of things:
1) you have no way to accurately measure 2.46ml. That’s scientific instrument level stuff. Even 2.5ml is a bit iffy.
2) that bottle STILL isn’t completely full even if you do get exactly 2.46ml into it so it’s still not exactly 12mg. It’s pretty close though.

What it comes down to is how accurate do yo need to be? Is “somewhere between 12 and 13mg/ml” good enough?

If so dumping 3 ml and adding 2.5ml of 300mg/ml base will more or less do it.

IF that’s close enough, and IF you actually have 300mg/ml base to use.

Thanks, that does indeed help.

The reason I said "I think" is because I was going off of information given to me over the phone by a brick and mortar employee.

Not always the most reliable or knowledgeable people to ask.

Fortunately, I found a product called NicShots and I went in person to talk to their mixologist.

He set me up and I'm now vaping my favorite juice at 12mg instead of 6mg.

He also showed me how to repeat the process in the future.

 

[bombastinator]

Thanks, that does indeed help.

The reason I said "I think" is because I was going off of information given to me over the phone by a brick and mortar employee.

Not always the most reliable or knowledgeable people to ask.

Fortunately, I found a product called NicShots and I went in person to talk to their mixologist.

He set me up and I'm now vaping my favorite juice at 12mg instead of 6mg.

He also showed me how to repeat the process in the future.

Nic shots sound like those high nic tubes I was talking about. Be a bit careful with those. The higher percentage nic there is in a base the faster nic can react in your body and the faster it can move through your skin, which it can do. The highest test I mess with myself is 100mg/ml which is about 10% pure. At that level it still reacts pretty slowly on skin contact and gloves and things aren’t too necessary. All I really worry about is cleaning up any spills promptly and making sure my cat doesn’t have any contact with it. At 300mg/ml it’s going to go faster and precautions about spills might become important (I don’t know myself. As I said I don’t mess with it) the mixologist might have better data.

Anyway I’m glad you got your issue cleared up. Happy vaping

 

[Foggyroomz]

If you would like an android app for a phone or android powered tablet try vapetool from the playstore it has just about every calculator that a person needs for DIY vape to include eliquid calculators based on desired pg/vg ratios and mg of nicotine strengths by the ml of desired product and coiling calculators based upon type of wire inner diameter and # of wraps. I personally use the ecigvape.com recipe calculator because you can choose the calculator you want to use based on the number of flavors up to 10 and it allows for pg & vg ratio adjustment as well as mg strength adjustments using flavors that contain nicotine. It also allows you to track the expense per ml of product and allows you to store your recipes either publicly or keep them private. As long as you log into your site at least once every 364 days you can keep your acount active and it is 100% free. There is also a community area where you can view other members recipes as well as share yours. So ultimately you can download a recipe to your page and then tweak it to make it your own version and then reshare it if you so choose with the enhancements.

 

[Letitia]

If you would like an android app for a phone or android powered tablet try vapetool from the playstore it has just about every calculator that a person needs for DIY vape to include eliquid calculators based on desired pg/vg ratios and mg of nicotine strengths by the ml of desired product and coiling calculators based upon type of wire inner diameter and # of wraps. I personally use the ecigvape.com recipe calculator because you can choose the calculator you want to use based on the number of flavors up to 10 and it allows for pg & vg ratio adjustment as well as mg strength adjustments using flavors that contain nicotine. It also allows you to track the expense per ml of product and allows you to store your recipes either publicly or keep them private. As long as you log into your site at least once every 364 days you can keep your acount active and it is 100% free. There is also a community area where you can view other members recipes as well as share yours. So ultimately you can download a recipe to your page and then tweak it to make it your own version and then reshare it if you so choose with the enhancements.

Can you arrange your flavor stash to your preference or is it auto alphabetical?