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Azarias

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My nephew was willing to sign a NDA and being a professional, he's not going to risk his reputation by making Evolvs software public. There was zero risk involved for Evolv and a lot to gain. It was pretty dumb of them to decline his offer.
I don't say your nephew wasn't willing to be a professional.
Only thing I see? John and (whoever) - and of that I'm sure - are not just responsible for the early adopters board. They have other .... to do. Maybe they just didn't see your nephew's post. That can happen. And he is freaking out like a child. Sorry. But that's not very professional of him.
I wouldn't want someone with that little patience to work on my project. Especially not on such an important project.

I really don't want to insult anyone but that's just my 2 cents.
 

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okay I will try to comment on this. that is the key thing. they do not know him. over the internet? intellectual property is very sacred. try asking Microsoft to divulge source code for anything. I know it is a smaller company but they have too much at risk. I am sure your nephew means well but they honestly have no idea what could arise from that situation. you really have to take their perspective on this. they feel they are doing what is in their best interest. today a company cannot be assured of anything in that scenario. someone could reverse engineer it anyways but that is against the law and I personally do not endorse those tactics.
 

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Maybe they just didn't see your nephew's post. That can happen. And he is freaking out like a child. Sorry. But that's not very professional of him.
Actually, they responded to him on the forum and declined his offer. But here's the thing... like I said, my nephew is a professional kernel developer (he works for Red Hat) and in the past he has worked for Intel and IBM, 2 enormous corporations. He has a pretty substantial reputation to protect and he isn't going to throw that away by making the EScribe source code public. That would be a death sentence for his professional career. All John and Brandon have to do is call the companies he has worked for to know there's no risk for them.

And guess how he was interviewed for those jobs? Over the internet.
 

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Actually, they responded to him on the forum and declined his offer. But here's the thing... like I said, my nephew is a professional kernel developer (he works for Red Hat) and in the past he has worked for Intel and IBM, 2 enormous corporations. He has a pretty substantial reputation to protect and he isn't going to throw that away by making the EScribe source code public. That would be a death sentence for his professional career. All John and Brandon have to do is call the companies he has worked for to know there's no risk for them.

And guess how he was interviewed for those jobs? Over the internet.
I DON'T deny your nephew's qualification.
And yes, John and Brandon declined his offer. After he acted like a child. At least in the thread. I don't know if there were any PMs written.

Sorry, but I'm 100% with Evolv on this one.

Besides. This discussion has nothing to do with the chip itself. So let's stop with your nephew right here, right now. If you want to further talk about him you're welcome to write me a PM.
 
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In the interest of full disclosure:

For those interested in this MAC software stuff here is a link to the posts made by "Vaper" on the subject and John's response... start on this page (page 3) and read thru ending on page 5. Reading the actual posts may help give a better understanding....

EScribe Software - DNA 200 Early Adopters Forum
 
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My nephew was willing to sign a NDA and being a professional, he's not going to risk his reputation by making Evolvs software public. There was zero risk involved for Evolv and a lot to gain. It was pretty dumb of them to decline his offer.
Since he's your nephew, your view is obviously biased. He did not carry himself very professionally in his posts and acted like a little kid taking his ball home because they other kids wouldn't play with him.

I honestly did not mean to troll. I should not have said all that. my bad. yes, I am like the most unlucky person in the world. that stands true. I was actually struck by lighting on my boat not kidding. as I did say however I hope they knock this out of the park this time. I sincerely desire a us company to be on top of their game. rest assured I will buy one regardless. I just can't help myself. I do want to support them regardless. I doubt most of us use 200w but the other advancements in this technology are very welcome by myself at least. I just really did not mean to air my dirty laundry or at least I did not mean it to be taken as such. I also am not sure if there is a new rule on this forum that all posts must stay strictly on topic. if so I really do apologize again. I really do look forward to devices with this chip hitting the market. in fact, as I said I truly hope hana adopts it. to be completely honest I don't need to share this but I got cited for hoarding. I did not really willingly toss them. they worked alright if used properly. the problem I ran into was scrambled screens. I did not mean to offend anyone. I know this again is ot but I thought I might save face here.

that being said I am anxiously awaiting this product to be placed into mass market mods. that's why I entered this thread in the first place. some bugs are commonplace in all software and I can live with many of them so that is okay by me too.
The scrambled screens were the main issue with the DNA40. It did not affect the vape at all. Still doesn't. I've had 7 DNA40's and I had issues with 2 of them, both bought within a week of each other. My VS DNA40 had a constant firing button and VS replaced it within a week (they paid shipping both ways). VS uses a separate fire button so it had nothing to do with the DNA40 board. The new one works perfectly (I checked in the mirror for screen glitches and found none). The Hana V4 has the screen glitch but it's very rare and doesn't affect the vape. So really, just one with a screen glitch that gets reset when you release the fire button.

I didn't mean to single you out but there are tons of guys that point to "issues" with the DNA40 when it's really just the screen glitch that resets when it goes to sleep or when you release the fire button on the newer versions. This was on less than 5% of DNA40 boards. To say that there are "so many issues" with the DNA40 board is just false.
 

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I will say this to that everyone understands why he reacted the way he did because that's not normal for him (just defending my nephew here.) He was under some considerable pressure caused by a family situation. He probably should have waited with making the offer, but hey, we all make mistakes sometimes.
I had a boss that asked me if I played golf. I told him no and he replied that I should, it's a great business tool. A month later, he asked me again so I took it as a hint to pick up golf so I did. I had friends and family that played and my bro-in-law lent me a full spare set he had (Calloways). My boss invited me to his personal country club a little less than a year after I started golfing and we got to talking. The reason he thought golf was a great business tool was because it shows the true colors of someone frustrated at chasing a little white ball around acres of land for 4-6 hrs.

We weren't doubting his credentials or abilities and it was a very generous offer. It was his follow-up that was disturbing.
 

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Honestly can you blame evolv for not taking the help of some random guy from the netherlands? Yes he might have credentials but in the end a NDA doesn't really mean anything. The moment he has the source code he can do anything with it. A NDA doesn't stop him from selling it to a chinese company. If Evolv doesn't know about him selling it to somebody else they can't say he broke his NDA. Do I say that this person would of done this? No. but it is still a enormous risk for evolv to just give the source code to somebody outside their building. Hell wouldn't be surprised if they are forbidden to even take the program outside of their headquarters.
 

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Since he's your nephew, your view is obviously biased. He did not carry himself very professionally in his posts and acted like a little kid taking his ball home because they other kids wouldn't play with him.
You don't know what was going on with him at the moment. And did I not say he should have waited with making the offer? I did, didn't I? Anyway, it's not important anymore.

Having said that, I do agree with him saying only people who vape and use Windows are important. If Evolv cares so much about peoples health, it doesn't show by excluding people who use Mac or Linux.
 

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If Evolv cares so much about peoples health, it doesn't show by excluding people who use Mac or Linux.

Surely you read this response concerning MAC software made by John:

View Single Post - EScribe Software - DNA 200 Early Adopters Forum

Not in the near term. We have a number of beta testers using parallels, which works reasonably well. All our new products from here on out will have this sort of functionality, so maybe a native Mac version in q4 or 2016, but it isn't on our firm development schedule yet.
 

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You don't know what was going on with him at the moment. And did I not say he should have waited with making the offer? I did, didn't I? Anyway, it's not important anymore.

Having said that, I do agree with him saying only people who vape and use Windows are important. If Evolv cares so much about peoples health, it doesn't show by excluding people who use Mac or Linux.

oh my god. windows run on over 90% of PCs worldwide. Mac users are a VERY VERY small percentage. You are literally complaining about 5-6% of the people using macs. And you know. if people are REALLY so desperate to run escribe. use parallels or bootcamp windows. it's not really that hard.

Your nephew acted like a little brat that didn't get what he wanted. simple as that. "OH WELL I HAVENT GOTTEN A REPLY YET SO I TAKE AWAY MY OFFER I GUESS EVOLV DOESNT WANT ME". Damnit to me it seemed like he was trying to use the forums to try and pressure evolv with trying to get the forum crowd rooting for him. For god sake if he is such a "professional" he should of e-mailed them instead of spamming on a early adaptor forum. I have never seen somebody who was trying to do work/volunteer work complain and bug developers on the forums. E-mail them. give your credentials. give them your fricking resume so that they check you up instead of just be some guy on the forum saying something "waaah I am not gonna buy a DNA 200 now". so what? you going to buy a yihi chip that doesn't give the options you were raving about earlier?
 

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This is my first cut at modeling and printing a case for it. Lipo should be here tomorrow
 

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For the last time, I'm not defending how he handled it. Did I not say HE SHOULD HAVE WAITED? For {Moderated} sake, even he knows he should have handled it differently.

And I do not agree with what your saying about Mac users. When you claim you're in this business to get people off smoking, back it up by making it available to everyone. Anything is is just a lame excuse.

 
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For the last time, I'm not defending how he handled it. Did I not say HE SHOULD HAVE WAITED? For {Moderated} sake, even he knows he should have handled it differently.

And I do not agree with what your saying about Mac users. When you claim you're in this business to get people off smoking, back it up by making it available to everyone. Anything is is just a lame excuse.
Lol. Look no further than the cell phone market to see your flawed thinking. Apple has the opposite problem there. macs are a sliver of the market. In reality, they should of gave the chip Bluetooth and made apps, but then windows phone users would be left out. Everyone can't win evidently.
 
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For the last time, I'm not defending how he handled it. Did I not say HE SHOULD HAVE WAITED? For {Moderated} sake, even he knows he should have handled it differently.

And I do not agree with what your saying about Mac users. When you claim you're in this business to get people off smoking, back it up by making it available to everyone. Anything is is just a lame excuse.
I can see some parallels :rolleyes:
 
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