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I agree with you and I think it's two fold. 1. Let the market know something is coming so any buyers about to pull the trigger on another device might be persuaded to wait and see if this is the one they really want;
2. Exactly as you state, get some feedback and ideas about what people want, like or hate or don't want.

A great example is the Ti Gr1 tcr .csv table. Some folks seem to really want this. So post it up on the support section of the evolv website for download. Etc. Easy solutions to what folks say they want without a lot of time or expense. When the thing actually launches for real, evolv is that much more ready to satisfy consumers.

Yes. One thing I will definitely say is that I think Evolv need to step up their game in terms of communicating. I don't just mean this whole beta process, I mean post-release. They should publish some detailed information on how the mod works, especially on stuff like TC and the uses of the software. 200W is great for TC? OK, tell us why!

So far as I can tell they published next to nothing around TC on the DNA 40 - I learnt all of what I know from the titbits that came from Evolv via P Busardo, and then far more from the forums. That lead me to some erroneous understandings, for example believing that TC and contact coils were fundamentally incompatible - because that's what Busardo said that Evolv said. (In fact, it's that Ni200 can't have contact coils because it doesn't oxidise - not that they won't ever work for TC, in fact arguably they should work better in metals that support them like Titanium, Resistherm (Alloy 120) and Stainless Steel.)

Compare that to what Dicodes have published, their Application Guide for Temperature Controlled Vaping. It has a wealth of interesting information, a lot of it directly applicable to all TC. This is exactly the sort of stuff Evolv should have published when the tech was new - to my knowledge they didn't publish anything, even really obvious stuff like needing tight connections and reliable ohms. They left that information to trickle down through the big YouTube names and via the forums. This to me suggests a rather limited world view - suggesting that the vaping world consists only of those on forums and YouTube. It doesn't, and nor should we want it to.

Another example: after I saw Busardo comment that there was a new version of the DNA 40 chip with Atty Lock, I looked around for info. Tried Evolv's home page, their Facebook. Could not find a single reference, except mentions on forums. To my knowledge they didn't publish a single public word indicating there even was a new release, let alone that it contained an impotant, asked-for new feature. I suppose they communicated only privately to their vendors and beta testers, and hoped they would spread the word.

I really think this whole aspect needs to change. They need to publish details of what their hardware and software does and how to make the best use of it. They need to clearly announce and describe each new update. They should have a file repository for anything that can imported into the software, like the CSVs as you said.

If they're too busy themselves, they should draft in members of the community. I'm sure there are members of the beta program who are capable technical writers and would be glad to write documentation and updates.

Some of this is acceptable from a small company that's growing, but I think Evolv would think themselves past the 'start up' stage now - and would certainly want outsiders to think that of them. In my view that requires a more professional, open, communication-focused approach.
 

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How can they gather input this way efficiently.. They haven't released any information what so ever directly, besides what limited and cryptic info beta testers are saying. Most of this thread is speculation with occasional unverified posts by beta testers.
Sigh, I know I have spent considerable time offering straight answers.
I guess I am just wasting my time and bandwidth, I will just go away.

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Sigh, I know I have spent considerable time offering straight answers.
I guess I am just wasting my time and bandwidth, I will just go away.

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I'm sorry you have made that choice Mikepetro. You have been helpful.
I don't think any one individual can make up for all the short comings of the world and I don't feel that you should have to take on that responsibility.

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There's been quite a bit of info that has been released.

Mike has published quite a bit earlier....as has Phil and retird (and others offsite).

Efficiency may actually be their goal and the reason for a piece-meal spread, gather opinions on each set of information packets....discuss with betas...and then formulate their decision?

It's an interesting mystery for sure though.... :)

Shekinahsgroom,

You know Evolv is reading the mail on these DNA200 threads. They would have to be Ostriches to not take advantage of all the "End User" info not to mention what their Beta Testers are telling the free world about the product.

But to whomever asked it this is just like the DNA40 pre-release chatter. Bickering, wise guy answers, and Beta Testers showing off their muscles. :2c:
 

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Don't go @mikepetro I appreciate you spending your time answering our questions, I think that the comments concerning marketing, the way the beta is run etc would be better in another thread or even emailed to Evolv as neither you or @retird are anything to do with them and it is just making this thread about the board messy.
 

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Sigh, I know I have spent considerable time offering straight answers.
I guess I am just wasting my time and bandwidth, I will just go away.

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Mike,

Please don't go away. You are one of the few that people like hearing from and you are straight forward about what you can and can't say. I am sure everyone including myself greatly appreciates your input.

:toast:
PS - my remarks above were never meant to include all.
 

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Sigh, I know I have spent considerable time offering straight answers.
I guess I am just wasting my time and bandwidth, I will just go away.

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Thanks for the laugh Mike. I haven't used PLONK in years, but it brings back fond memories of USENET newsgroup days when the internet was still trying to decide what it wanted to be. The internet turned out to be the best advertising medium in the history of mankind... sigh, and it was off to such a good start.

I will say the vast majority of folks that read this thread get a lot of value from your posts and if you ignore the very few habitual and argumentative detractors, your posts provide much more positive value than is apparent. Please continue to monitor thread and add what you can when you feel it relevant. There are many here that appreciate your insight and knowledge of the product.
 

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Sigh, I know I have spent considerable time offering straight answers.
I guess I am just wasting my time and bandwidth, I will just go away.

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lol, again, being threatened by a beta tester because they don't like opinions. Market manipulation at its best. Why can I not have an opinion that this is not a good way of releasing information of a mod without having a beta god try and get the whole thread to beg him not to leave, and dribble us details. Should we all just praise EVOLV for its backwards release method or be under threat of having beta testers leave. I guess this is the best way to INSURE positive feedback...
 

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lol, again, being threatened by a beta tester because they don't like opinions. Market manipulation at its best. Why can I not have an opinion that this is not a good way of releasing information of a mod without having a beta god try and get the whole thread to beg him not to leave, and dribble us details. Should we all just praise EVOLV for its backwards release method or be under threat of having beta testers leave.
You act like they HAVE to answer all your questions because you are the most important person on this thread. You're not. They have no obligation to answer any questions at all. They were chosen to participate in a beta of a product, that is all. The fact that they were given permission to disclose SOME info IF THEY WANTED TO still does not make them obligated to post everything they know.

Also, there was no name calling. If anything, my comment a few pages ago came close saying that someone was ACTING LIKE AN ENTITLED BRAT. I guess reading comprehension eludes you and some others here too.
 

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lol, again, being threatened by a beta tester because they don't like opinions. Market manipulation at its best. Why can I not have an opinion that this is not a good way of releasing information of a mod without having a beta god try and get the whole thread to beg him not to leave, and dribble us details. Should we all just praise EVOLV for its backwards release method or be under threat of having beta testers leave. I guess this is the best way to INSURE positive feedback...

While I agree that Evolv are poor at communicating, you directing your comments at a beta tester who has been the most helpful, candid and unbiased of any is completely out of order.

A classic case of "shooting the messenger". He's going out of his way to provide info, for which he receives no compensation besides the comments of those who read it. Why should he put up with vitriol like yours? You are not helping in any way.
 

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This is like the third time someone has threatened to leave this thread. I don't think thats corporately responsible of Evolv to manipulate the market this way. There is no reason in a free and open forum people should be begging someone not to leave a forum discussion because they have been given the privilege to release information for Evolv. Its not fair to them that there even put in this position by Evolv and its a way of manipulating this thread to show good feedback only. I am not here calling names and being disrespectful, but I am voicing my opinion. What questions have I asked that havent been answered? And this has nothing to do with politics? I think its a joke people are begging someone not to leave
 

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You act like they HAVE to answer all your questions because you are the most important person on this thread. You're not. They have no obligation to answer any questions at all. They were chosen to participate in a beta of a product, that is all. The fact that they were given permission to disclose SOME info IF THEY WANTED TO still does not make them obligated to post everything they know.

Also, there was no name calling. If anything, my comment a few pages ago came close saying that someone was ACTING LIKE AN ENTITLED BRAT. I guess reading comprehension eludes you and some others here too.
This is like the third time someone has threatened to leave this thread. I don't think thats corporately responsible of Evolv to manipulate the market this way. There is no reason in a free and open forum people should be begging someone not to leave a forum discussion because they have been given the privilege to release information for Evolv. Its not fair to them that there even put in this position by Evolv and its a way of manipulating this thread to show good feedback only. I am not here calling names and being disrespectful, but I am voicing my opinion. What questions have I asked that havent been answered? And this has nothing to do with politics? I think its a joke people are begging someone not to leave
Well, I think someone who has shared information without calling other people names has contributed to a degree of civility and I appreciate that he took the time to do it. That's why I expressed interest in him staying.

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This thread is suppose to be able a device thats coming out soon. Usually you're allowed to speculate on its features and almost nothing is released to the public, or a spec sheet is released and you can discuss that. Instead, Evolv is mysteriously telling select beta testers to leak information, which is highly unusual. Controlled leaks are known, but not like this with random testers being told to release someone random details. Then, the worst is if someone says something the beta testers dont like they threaten to stop releasing information. Sound about right? Usually you're free to discuss your opinion, good or bad, without the threat of the dribble leak stopping...
 

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This thread is suppose to be able a device thats coming out soon. Usually you're allowed to speculate on its features and almost nothing is released to the public, or a spec sheet is released and you can discuss that. Instead, Evolv is mysteriously telling select beta testers to leak information, which is highly unusual. Controlled leaks are known, but not like this with random testers being told to release someone random details. Then, the worst is if someone says something the beta testers dont like they threaten to stop releasing information. Sound about right? Usually you're free to discuss your opinion, good or bad, without the threat of the dribble leak stopping...
Do you know this for sure, or is this more of your opinion?
 

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You guys asking for this and that, it has all been published what more could you want..
The board will draw at maximum 23 amps from your batts it will put out 50 amps 55 amps at peak.

Its really efficient and has lots of gizmo's for data retrieval that now only works on windows..

IMO the beta's have done a great job..

Whats also awesome; you have 200 watts but those that are saying 50-70-100 watts would have been better, well, they did us one better than that, its 200 watts!

So I think for the prices I am seeing 80 bucks, this board will be one to have..
For a mini computer vaping device this is exciting stuff..
 
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