DNA 200 Watt

[Tpat591]

All of this discussion about Temperature & Wattage and which is more important is moot. Agree they are both important and move on. The real discussion should be about Evolv needing to incorporate a better way to present the UI and about how its time for a larger screen with more fields that has more user flexibility in which fields are displayed and how. The Evic VTC Display has a ton of info all on one screen, Evolv should move in that direction as well.

The discussion should be about how to do this in the best way for all and which display and key combinations will get you there in the best way possible.

 

[retird]

Nope I don't think I'm stuck in the past and what I set the wattage to matters to me. The 200 allows one to set wattage as desired in temp mode. How one chooses to set it is a matter of choice. I choose to set my wattage close to the maximum needed to properly operate the coil I'm using to achieve what I desire. Should the coil suddenly change due to many factors that can occur I won't be getting any 100 watt surprises when the coil normally would require only 20 watts. That's how I want my setup to be and others want something different. Whatever floats one's boat is all that matters....

 

[retird]

All of this discussion about Temperature & Wattage and which is more important is moot. Agree they are both important and move on. The real discussion should be about Evolv needing to incorporate a better way to present the UI and about how its time for a larger screen that has more user flexibility in which fields are displayed and how.

The discussion should be about how to do this in the best way for all and which display and key combinations will get you there in the best way possible.

Yep, pretty simple.... let Evolv update the firmware so those who want to more easily adjust temperature with fewer button presses be able to do it....

 

[Wingsfan0310]

All of this discussion about Temperature & Wattage and which is more important is moot. Agree they are both important and move on. The real discussion should be about Evolv needing to incorporate a better way to present the UI and about how its time for a larger screen that has more user flexibility in which fields are displayed and how.

The discussion should be about how to do this in the best way for all and which display and key combinations will get you there in the best way possible.

I'd also like to see them address the fuse. That definitely seems to be a weak point in the chip. Adding reverse battery protection would be nice too so we could use it in 18650 mods without having to have battery ripping rings as a mechanical protection (I like Lipos, but having more choices would be nice). To me those are problems, which way to display/adjusts are preferences. I'd rather see them address true problems first.

Edit I realize I'm talking about a revision in the chip. The other things people are talking about can be done in it's current form. You can adjust temperature and wattage as is. I'm not sure what the big fuss is about. Having to make a couple more button presses?

 

[retird]

I'd also like to see them address the fuse. That definitely seems to be a weak point in the chip. Adding reverse battery protection would be nice too so we could use it in 18650 mods without having to have battery ripping rings as a mechanical protection (I like Lipos, but having more choices would be nice). To me those are problems, which way to display/adjusts are preferences. I'd rather see them address true problems first.

Evolv stated a long time ago that they would work on a add-on board for reverse battery protection as adding that to the dna200 board would make it much larger. Don't know where that is at at this point. The fuse is directly inline with the battery, and is a tertiary protection as is. It should only come into play in the event of catastrophic board failure or unprotected reversed battery.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I agree with your fuse comment. I wasn't talking about it in it's relationship to reverse battery protection. I was more talking about it seems to be a weak link in the chip. I'm not sure if it's because it's only 2 amps above the max input (25 vs 23 leaving little room for current spikes or + and - tolerances) or if it's just not of great quality. It has been the cause of failures in peoples mods. I thought Brandon (sp?) had said that he wished they had did something different when it came to the fuse (just going off memory).

Cheers,
Steve

Edit I'm not dogging the chip. It's my favorite chip at this time. The only mods I use presently, have DNA200 chips in them. I was just talking about possible improvements.

 

[dwcraig1]

My setting here is 28 watts with 32 watts preheat, I get a superb vape when my live view looks something like this.

If I see my temp maxing out and my wattage dropping like a rock I know I have a wicking problem.
Still get a pretty good vape from it but nothing like when it's where I want it. Just how I'm doing it.

 

[retird]

I agree with your fuse comment. I wasn't talking about it in it's relationship to reverse battery protection. I was more talking about it seems to be a weak link in the chip. I'm not sure if it's because it's only 2 amps above the max input (25 vs 23 leaving little room for current spikes or + and - tolerances) or if it's just not of great quality. It has been the cause of failures in peoples mods. I thought Brandon (sp?) had said that he wished they had did something different when it came to the fuse (just going off memory).

Cheers,
Steve

Edit I'm not dogging the chip. It's my favorite chip at this time. The only mods I use presently have DNA200 chips in them. I was just talking about possible improvements.

Understand..... knew you weren't dogging the chip....vaping is still an evolving (no pun intended) technology so improvements are needed along the way...

 

[retird]

My setting here is 28 watts with 32 watts preheat, I get a superb vape when my live view looks something like this.

If I see my temp maxing out and my wattage dropping like a rock I know I have a wicking problem.
Still get a pretty good vape from it but nothing like when it's where I want it. Just how I'm doing it.

Yep... mine is set at 24 watts, preheat at 100 watts, temp at 400F in a tank configuration where wicking is only an issue if I let the tank run dry... soooo many different ways to achieve what one desires.... that's a good thing I think...

 

[Vlad1]

My setting here is 28 watts with 32 watts preheat, I get a superb vape when my live view looks something like this.

If I see my temp maxing out and my wattage dropping like a rock I know I have a wicking problem.
Still get a pretty good vape from it but nothing like when it's where I want it. Just how I'm doing it.

You realize your settings aren't reaching Temp Limiting for the build you have? What's the benefit of Temp Limiting for you if your not engaging it aside from Preheat? And do your batteries always read incorrectly from Pack Voltage? 4.07 + 4.06 + 4.06 = 12.19V not 12.47V. I've seen many others reporting Cell & Pack voltages incorrectly so not sure if it's a known bug or just luck of the draw.

 

[retird]

You realize your settings aren't reaching Temp Limiting for the build you have? What's the benefit of Temp Limiting for you if your not engaging it aside from Preheat? And do your batteries always read incorrectly from Pack Voltage? 4.07 + 4.06 + 4.06 = 12.19V not 12.47V. I've seen many others reporting Cell & Pack voltages incorrectly so not sure if it's a known bug or just luck of the draw.

Usually right after firing it takes a few seconds for the Device Monitor to display the actual cell voltages as the voltage drops during firing thus it may seem the voltages are out of line when they are not really. Go to your Device Monitor and fire the device and see how the voltages respond.



Screen shot 1 (prior to firing) Screen Shot 2 (during and just after firing) and Screen Shot 3 (after a few seconds post firing).....see how it settles out to the correct numbers....

 

[Vlad1]

Usually right after firing it takes a few seconds for the Device Monitor to display the actual cell voltages as the voltage drops during firing thus it may seem the voltages are out of line when they are not really. Go to your Device Monitor and fire the device and see how the voltages respond.

So it's a known bug then. Assuming your saying it's displaying the correct Pack Voltage but incorrect Cell Voltage or are you saying they're both wrong for a period of time? I'd give it a try but my PC's been down for the last few days so I don't have easy access to Escribe.

 

[retird]

Nope doesn't seem to be a bug just normal operation ....everything is a bug to you ...he-he...see my screen shots that I added to previous post....just the board and escribe updating info....

 

[Vlad1]

Nope doesn't seem to be a bug just normal operation ....everything is a bug to you ...he-he...see my screen shots that I added to previous post....just the board and escribe updating info....

Well I suppose in my mind if the voltages are incorrect it's a problem or a bug. There's no logical purpose for them to be incorrect to me. But If you could explain why one would want it to read voltages incorrectly under "normal operation" please do so. Or are you saying that's just how it works right or wrong it's normal?

I see your updated post reflects that after the device had a period of time it recalculated and displayed equaling cumulative cell voltages to the Pack.

 

[retird]

Seems to me that the data requires refreshing at an unknown rate to show the actual values. When one vapes it draws from the batteries and after drawing the battery needs to recover to a stable value. So it seems to me the value after stabilization would be correct where the values during recovery may show correct recovery values of the cells leading to the stable value after fully recovering from the vape. This may be showing what some call battery sag.

 

[Vlad1]

Seems to me that the data requires refreshing at an unknown rate to show the actual values. When one vapes it draws from the batteries and after drawing the battery needs to recover to a stable value. So it seems to me the value after stabilization would be correct where the values during recovery may show correct recovery values of the cells leading to the stable value after fully recovering from the vape. This may be showing what some call battery sag.

I wasn't really asking for diagnoses of why the voltages aren't correct but why one would want them to be incorrect under "normal operation".

But your suggestion of sag should be represented in both cell voltages and pack voltage so that shouldn't be a source to why they are incorrect. But the "refreshing at an unknown rate" could possibly be the source of the incorrect data being displayed, as I've demonstrated previously Escribes captured data is fairly inaccurate in simple data collections such as Power output in some cases being out by 50 watts but that's another subject.

 

[whatto]

I wasn't really asking for diagnoses of why the voltages aren't correct but why one would want them to be incorrect under "normal operation".

But your suggestion of sag should be represented in both cell voltages and pack voltage so that shouldn't be a source to why they are incorrect. But the "refreshing at an unknown rate" could possibly be the source of the incorrect data being displayed, as I've demonstrated previously Escribes captured data is fairly inaccurate in simple data collections such as Power output in some cases being out by 50 watts but that's another subject.

Vlad, you should considre how many outmut information escribe is giving you. The fact that it does not update every single figure in real time is not a bug IMO, only a preference of the more important information (in this case I consider individual cells voltage more important then the whole pack).
Just food for thought - nobody says it is a bug if you dont reply on all threads on this forum within 2 seconds

 

[retird]

Yep, there is alot of info available for the dna200 using escribe. It would be interesting to compare the same data available with the DNA200 to that obtained from other devices. No other device I am aware of has the sophisticated software so we don't really know any detailed relevant data about any other devices. But we can certainly see what the 200 does thanks to Evolv. I wish all other premium devices had sophisticated software like EScribe.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Never understood why if someone likes another chip better (lets say a sx350j), they feel the need to try and pick apart a different chip (lets say a DNA200) in order to make themselves feel better.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[AtmizrOpin]

if the box isn't checked in escribe it doesn't show in real time. usually starts refreshing from the top of the page down to the bottom. not a bug, just tons-o-information all at once secribe needs a few secs to catch up.