Dna200 - A little help choosing my device..

[VapeAddyct]

hey folks. I am well aware of what a dna200 is and how it works. This thread is stricly to help me figure out if one of the Two mods i have my eyes on is better than the other.

Realeaux DNA200 or the Panzer DNA200

Fpund them both for 120$ and i would like to order tonight. If anybody owns one or both and could give me some insight on pros and cons, id appreciate it greatly as always!

I have an rx200, Cuboid, Vaporshark rdna40, continuous current manhattan v2, ICON series box, praxis decimus 1.2 and an sx mini ML. I love TC and now id like to take a step into being able to fullu customize. All input appreciated!

 

[Scy123]

I went with the Realeaux. Was not too keen on changing to lipo's. The Realeaux also has a higher battery capacity, well over twice and close to three times the capacity in most cases.

I go though 2 sets of batteries a day on my Realeaux. If i had gotten a dna200 with lipo's I would have to change the batteries 4-5 times a day.

 

[suprtrkr]

I'm not in the market for a DNA200. I've only owned one, I built it when the chips became available, but somebody offered me more money than it was worth so I sold it after about a week. Having now 2- RX200s, I wouldn't buy or build another. All that said, if I were going to do it, I would go with the Reuleaux because I like IMR batteries better than LiPos, and once the Panzer reaches the life-cycle count on recharges for it's power pack, it's a paperweight.

 

[Scy123]

I just looked it up and the Panzer has 14.6 watt hours compared to my Realeaux at 28.72 watt hours.

Also it looks like the Panzer has screws holding the battery door in place. Not very convenient.

 

[VapeAddyct]

I went with the Realeaux. Was not too keen on changing to lipo's. The Realeaux also has a higher battery capacity, well over twice and close to three times the capacity in most cases.

I go though 2 sets of batteries a day on my Realeaux. If i had gotten a dna200 with lipo's I would have to change the batteries 4-5 times a day.

Thats a good point. Considering it wouldnt be the only mod i used throughout the day tho?

 

[VapeAddyct]

I'm not in the market for a DNA200. I've only owned one, I built it when the chips became available, but somebody offered me more money than it was worth so I sold it after about a week. Having now 2- RX200s, I wouldn't buy or build another. All that said, if I were going to do it, I would go with the Reuleaux because I like IMR batteries better than LiPos, and once the Panzer reaches the life-cycle count on recharges for it's power pack, it's a paperweight.

Reaching a limit on charges was a fact i was un aware of. Is there a usual number for them?

 

[VapeAddyct]

Another question is, considering how accurate the dna chips are, is it fair to say that 120$ is worth it for the accuracy i would get it wattage mode alone?

 

[Scy123]

Just found some pics of the Panzer Panzer Box 200W DNA 200 Red 4500mAh Temperature Control VW Box Mod It has vent holes where the 510 connection is. seems like an easy way for juice to seep in.

 

[suprtrkr]

Reaching a limit on charges was a fact i was un aware of. Is there a usual number for them?

For most Li chemistry batteries of any type, about 300 cycles in a lifespan. That, however, is generally thought to be "full cycles," that is 1 volt from 3.2 to 4.2V. If you charge them at 3.6V back up to 4.2, that's a "half cycle." All batteries are like that, you know, even lead-acid. After a while, they just won't hold a charge any more. I am not a EE to understand this-- maybe the electrons get tired of swapping back and forth, or something-- but they do. This is one of the big reasons I don't like fixed battery mods. Replacing a LiPo pack is best left to people who know what they're doing, and matching the specs on one can be problematic. Bear in mind the charging board in the silly thing is designed to work with that battery pack.

Regarding your question about the price tag being worth it, you'll have to decide for yourself. You say you have a RX200 and a Praxis and a Vapor Shark with the DNA40 board in it. Have you noticed any inaccuracy in wattage mode on those mods vs. the DNA board in the Vapor Shark? If you are a techno-ninja-fixit dude, or have OCD where you must have all mods calibrated to read the same(!), fine, maybe it's worth it to you. If you want to get at the firmware and put cute pictures on the screen, or tailor a ramp profile to fit your double-super-left-handed-twisted-stapled-chimpanzee coils you just invented, fine. Maybe you do need the DNA. A perfectly good reason to buy the DNA200 machine is because you just want one; that's fine too. Me, I'd buy two RX200s, plus a dozen batteries and a couple of nice tanks for the same price. Up to you, dude, I'm not trying to talk you out of something you want. The DNAs are supposed to be the ne plus ultra in that genre. If that's what you want, go for it. But I personally find the board in the RX to be perfectly adequate for my humble self

 

[suprtrkr]

Thats a good point. Considering it wouldnt be the only mod i used throughout the day tho?

It also depends on how you want to use it. If you actually plan to use it regularly above 150ish watts, I'd probably put Sony VTC4s in it. But if you're going to vape 150 or below, there's no reason you can't get by with 20A batteries. I use the LG HG2s in mine, and the battery life is phenomenal at 3000mAh each.

 

[VapeAddyct]

For most Li chemistry batteries of any type, about 300 cycles in a lifespan. That, however, is generally thought to be "full cycles," that is 1 volt from 3.2 to 4.2V. If you charge them at 3.6V back up to 4.2, that's a "half cycle." All batteries are like that, you know, even lead-acid. After a while, they just won't hold a charge any more. I am not a EE to understand this-- maybe the electrons get tired of swapping back and forth, or something-- but they do. This is one of the big reasons I don't like fixed battery mods. Replacing a LiPo pack is best left to people who know what they're doing, and matching the specs on one can be problematic. Bear in mind the charging board in the silly thing is designed to work with that battery pack.

Regarding your question about the price tag being worth it, you'll have to decide for yourself. You say you have a RX200 and a Praxis and a Vapor Shark with the DNA40 board in it. Have you noticed any inaccuracy in wattage mode on those mods vs. the DNA board in the Vapor Shark? If you are a techno-ninja-fixit dude, or have OCD where you must have all mods calibrated to read the same(!), fine, maybe it's worth it to you. If you want to get at the firmware and put cute pictures on the screen, or tailor a ramp profile to fit your double-super-left-handed-twisted-stapled-chimpanzee coils you just invented, fine. Maybe you do need the DNA. A perfectly good reason to buy the DNA200 machine is because you just want one; that's fine too. Me, I'd buy two RX200s, plus a dozen batteries and a couple of nice tanks for the same price. Up to you, dude, I'm not trying to talk you out of something you want. The DNAs are supposed to be the ne plus ultra in that genre. If that's what you want, go for it. But I personally find the board in the RX to be perfectly adequate for my humble self

Bro, im sorry for responding so late.. I wrote out a long response and thought i submitted it and didnt lol. But you are awesome! Great points, i ended up going with the reuleaux dna200, found it for 119!! Plus 5% off that made it 113 with free shipping!! I could not pass up on that. I appreciate all of your insight as you really helped me out. But o answer one if your questions, yes, i can tell the diference in accuracy between the rdna 40 and my normal regulated mods. Basically i can sort of just tell that the chip is smart if that makes sense. Thanks again, im sure we will talk soon.

 

[suprtrkr]

I was wondering what happened to you If you can really tell the difference in claibration between the boards-- I can't-- then yeah, you'll probably be happier with the DNA board, and that's what you should do. That's a he11uva price you found on it, too. Enjoy. I hope my post helped clarify your thinking. Come back any time.

Bro, im sorry for responding so late.. I wrote out a long response and thought i submitted it and didnt lol. But you are awesome! Great points, i ended up going with the reuleaux dna200, found it for 119!! Plus 5% off that made it 113 with free shipping!! I could not pass up on that. I appreciate all of your insight as you really helped me out. But o answer one if your questions, yes, i can tell the diference in accuracy between the rdna 40 and my normal regulated mods. Basically i can sort of just tell that the chip is smart if that makes sense. Thanks again, im sure we will talk soon.

 

[VapeAddyct]

I was wondering what happened to you If you can really tell the difference in claibration between the boards-- I can't-- then yeah, you'll probably be happier with the DNA board, and that's what you should do. That's a he11uva price you found on it, too. Enjoy. I hope my post helped clarify your thinking. Come back any time.

I have another question that you may be able to help with. I plan on using a snapdragon as the dna200s rda, a griffin as the rta/sub tank and was wondering, if i should also pick up another sub tank that has pre built coil options for east grab n go? I was considering the herakles plus with either stainless or nickle coils(not sure which are better for flavor on it) . Have you tried a griffin? I hear nothing but that they are amazing so maybe i dont need a sub tank as well for the dna200.. I have all of my other devices and sub tanks but i wanted to kind of have a set line up strictly for the new guy.. Preferably a sub tank that shines at lower wattage (between 20 and 75 tops)

 

[Steamer861]

I Really! don't like the advice your getting in this thread! First off to think your just going to throw away your DNA200 Lipo mod when the battery is dead is totally absurd! You just replace it like any other battery. Don't! for one minute think that 3 18650 is twice the battery life of a 3S 1300mAH Lipo, thats just not true! the lipo has a way lower cut off voltage, & more usable battery life than an 18650
a 3s lipo battery charges twice as fast as an 18650, with a 1amp charger.
A Rolo is still a cheep Chinese mod even if it has a DNA200 chip, it has subpar wiring and 510 connector.
I build my own mods, I have several DNA200's. A 3s 900mAH DNA200 mod, like a Vapour Shark, although it's about the same size as an 18650 mod has 25% more battery life Fact! also charges twice as fast.
I have a few 1300mAH DNA200 mods I built my self and the battery life is stellar!
I run dual Ti coils at .1sh in TC mode 40 watts all day long on a single charge.
My advice to you is look for an American made 1300mAH 3s lipo mod, you will be happy you did if you need warranty service in the future

 

[suprtrkr]

I don't use prefab coil tanks at all. I may not be the right guy to ask. I have heard good things about the Herakles and the Griffin is supposed to be super duper. My current favorite tank is the Indulgence MT. It vapes well inder 40 watts, but it will cheerfully go well over 150, and has juice channels to make it work. They're so big, it takes a while to learn to wick it. However, it has a cousin, the Indulgence MuTank, that has optional prefab coils, comes eith av3 post, 4 hole RBA deck, and has an optional 2 post, velocity style RBA as well. Just a thought.

I have another question that you may be able to help with. I plan on using a snapdragon as the dna200s rda, a griffin as the rta/sub tank and was wondering, if i should also pick up another sub tank that has pre built coil options for east grab n go? I was considering the herakles plus with either stainless or nickle coils(not sure which are better for flavor on it) . Have you tried a griffin? I hear nothing but that they are amazing so maybe i dont need a sub tank as well for the dna200.. I have all of my other devices and sub tanks but i wanted to kind of have a set line up strictly for the new guy.. Preferably a sub tank that shines at lower wattage (between 20 and 75 tops)

 

[Scy123]

Don't! for one minute think that 3 18650 is twice the battery life of a 3S 1300mAH Lipo, thats just not true! the lipo has a way lower cut off voltage, & more usable battery life than an 18650

The cutoff is hard set by the DNA200 at 3 something volts. Both 18650 and lipo's will have the exact same cutoff. Usable battery life is dictated by the watt hours. the Panzer which is a 3S 1300mAH Lipo has 14.6wh while the Realeaux with LG HG2's has 28.72wh. That is pretty close to 2x the capacity.

A 3S 1300mAH Lipo does have more wh then a single 18650 but not 3 of them.

 

[rice721]

This might be out of your budget but check out "boxer dna133". This will probably be my next mod and my first mod with the DNA200 chip. Reason? Its small, its light, and it utilizes 2 18650 batteries..

 

[Scy123]

a 3s lipo battery charges twice as fast as an 18650, with a 1amp charger.

The only way for that to be true is if the 18650's has 2x the battery life.

 

[Steamer861]

The cutoff is hard set by the DNA200 at 3 something volts. Both 18650 and lipo's will have the exact same cutoff. Usable battery life is dictated by the watt hours. the Panzer which is a 3S 1300mAH Lipo has 14.6wh while the Realeaux with LG HG2's has 28.72wh. That is pretty close to 2x the capacity.

A 3S 1300mAH Lipo does have more wh then a single 18650 but not 3 of them.

The 14 and 28 numbers are deceiving, 18650 start to sag at lower voltages, were a lipo does not, or not as much. You will Not get twice the battery life from 3 18650's as apposed to a 3s 1300mAH lipo.
I don't have a 3 18650 mod But running the same coils my 1300mAH lipo mods have better battery life than a dual 18650 mod.

 

[Steamer861]

The only way for that to be true is if the 18650's has 2x the battery life.

Do you have any Lipo battery mods?