DNA40 vs SX350j

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    I doubt the EMI comes from the coil itself, because what the coil sees is close to DC. It's far more likely coming from the traces on the board or from the big inductor in the switching section of the power converter. That's if it's EMI at all. It could also be a glitch in the power being supplied to the display, and the display being more sensitive to that than the manufacturer's spec sheet indicates it should be.

    The data sheets for OLED screens like the ones used in these devices do mention, often multiple times, that the power/ground lines do need to be filtered (bypassed/decoupled) or there will be problems. And those long (electrically) traces on the screen's tail are great antennas for gathering EMI too.

    Good point about the inductor! That MOSFET/inductor junction is the noisiest part of these power supplies. And guess where the screen is usually folded back over. :)
     

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    Hahaah if you live in the US for the rest of the world its robbery!;)

    To Tony for sure the small screen DNA30 and 40 use the same screen i never changed a screen on a DNA20 but I have a feeling it's exactly the same oled panel.

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    The cheapest I could find in the EU was at stealthvape... 7 pounds (like 12 bucks) plus shipping which comes out at at least 20 bucks. I can have a new dna 40 for 36 pounds or a YIHI 350j for 66€

    Its expensive but I love my mod and my dna board so my plan is:

    A) try to replace the screen with a clone one I have here that is working. Not sure they are compatible though.

    B) if above fails, swallow the loss and order the screen from SV.

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    Update:

    Good news: screen is 100% compatible

    Bad news: dissoldering the ribbon cable delaminates the lower tracks on contact. You can't reuse the screen ever again.

    I checked compatibility by creating bridges between the top face tracks and the tracks on the board (it booted up fine) but one sneeze and the bridges obviously broke.

    Time to send some cash to the UK for a new screen.

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    The cheapest I could find in the EU was at stealthvape... 7 pounds (like 12 bucks) plus shipping which comes out at at least 20 bucks. I can have a new dna 40 for 36 pounds or a YIHI 350j for 66€

    Its expensive but I love my mod and my dna board so my plan is:

    A) try to replace the screen with a clone one I have here that is working. Not sure they are compatible though.

    B) if above fails, swallow the loss and order the screen from SV.

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    Tony

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    Yeah the shipping is a killer have you had a look at e-steamer think there in Greece they sold white and blue screens I bought a white one to try it.

    Not sure what the shipping to Portugal is. It might be cheaper.

    Just had a look €13.50 Inc shipping?

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    Yeah the shipping is a killer have you had a look at e-steamer think there in Greece they sold white and blue screens I bought a white one to try it.

    Not sure what the shipping to Portgual is. It might be cheaper.

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    Thx. I hope that will do the trick. Kinda ...... right now :(

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    The cheapest I could find in the EU was at stealthvape... 7 pounds (like 12 bucks) plus shipping which comes out at at least 20 bucks. I can have a new dna 40 for 36 pounds or a YIHI 350j for 66€


    B) if above fails, swallow the loss and order the screen from SV.

    Tony I just checked shipping to Portugal. A normal letter, sent "Tracked and Signed", with max width 5mm, is £6 / €8.45.

    But sent "untracked", it's only £1 / €1.40

    I reckon that replacement screen would fit in that thin envelope, padded with paper? It's a very thin screen.

    Then Steatlh shipping to me is £3.30 / €4.60.

    So the cost from Stealth is €4.60 + €9.79 for the board = €14.39. Total cost of sending it to me then me forwarding it to you with untracked is €15.79 (with tracked it would be €22.84 which is probably more than getting it sent direct from Stealth to you?)

    It sucks that Stealth don't offer a cheaper shipping option to UK than first class at €4.60 - they could send it out slower for less than that.

    Anyway, happy to do that if you want to save cash and don't mind waiting a while and having it be untracked from UK to Portugal.

    Or maybe it's better to just get this other replacement board, but the above is an option if you want the genuine at cheapest possible cost.
     
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    EDIT: Sorry, that's the LARGE screen doh! They don't seem to have the normal one for some reason..

    Found a cheaper screen - Evolv DNA40 Replacement Screen - Cloud 9 Vaping

    £5.95 / €8.39 for the screen
    £3.50 / €4.94 for UK delivery
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    €13.33 total
    + €1.40 untracked letter
    = €14.73 sent untracked

    or fully tracked would be €21.78, but ordering from them direct with delivery to Portugal would cost €8.39 + €12.62 = €21.01, so that's the option to use if you do want properly tracked/packaged.
     
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    And regarding the clone screen, here's another reference to it - same Greek company as showing it on eBay, but their own site:

    Original 0.69 inch 96x16 OLED panel Display Evolv DNA 20D /30D/40 Replacement (white)

    €8.95 screen + €4.50 delivery to Portugal = €13.45

    So it's not any cheaper than buying it from eBay, which is weird because they're not having to pay eBay fees. But maybe it's preferable seeing it on their site versus on eBay.
     
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    Thx for the offer Bloke :)

    Have managed to convince Rob more than on one occasion to send me stuff untracked because the content just didn't justify tracking.

    I checked sv a few hours ago and they had the small screen?

    Anyway, I wanted to get some Ti too but with this , I can't wait longer. Will have to order the screen if possible.

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    Thx for the offer Bloke :)

    Have managed to convince Rob more than on one occasion to send me stuff untracked because the content just didn't justify tracking.

    I checked sv a few hours ago and they had the small screen?

    Anyway, I wanted to get some Ti too but with this , I can't wait longer. Will have to order the screen if possible.

    No I meant my second link, Cloud9 was big screen only - yeah SV is small.

    And yeah good point, with your contact at SV just get them to do the untracked direct - that'll be cheapest, in fact even cheaper than the clone screen.
     

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    Bap has successfully desoldered and resoldered screens from dna 20s and 30s. He didn't even use an air desolderer, just careful work with a soldering iron. He described it in the weekender thread (old) in the modding forum: The "WeekEnder" | E-Cigarette Forum
     
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    Bap has successfully desoldered and resoldered screens from dna 20s and 30s. He didn't even use an air desolderer, just careful work with a soldering iron. He described it in the weekender thread (old) in the modding forum: The "WeekEnder" | E-Cigarette Forum
    The old Evolv screen came off fine. It was the clone screen that had some weird punctures in it. Looked almost crimped before soldered... That one delaminated during dissoldering.

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    Just my 2c on the original topic:

    I think Tony stated earlier in the thread that Evolv/DNA40 is more of a "modders" board and Yihi/SX350J is more of a "consumers" board. I wholeheartedly agree with this, although I might replace "modders" with "enthusiasts."

    Not that consumers can't enjoy a DNA or vice versa, but it's always seemed to me that Evolv is more concerned with pushing the envelope rather than refining a product for a wide consumer audience. On one hand, they consistently revolutionize vaping, but on the other, they completely ignore aspects that are essentially taken for granted by the rest of the industry (step-down and reverse battery protection, anyone?).

    Yihi seems much more interested in refining the technology for mass appeal. Granted, the SX200 was basically a copy (in terms of performance) of a DNA20, but IMHO the original SX350 chip was leaps and bounds better than the DNA30, mostly because of small additions to improve the user experience.

    I personally think both companies need each other, and the industry as a whole improves greatly because of them. I'd compare it to the auto industry - I think it's wonderful that the prototype-level race cars are always at the cutting edge of technology, introducing new things we'd never even dream of. I also think it's great that a lot of that technology gets filtered down into road cars, and air bags, power steering, and cruise control are added to it to make it more practical in day-to-day use.

    What intrigues me, though, is whether the race car company will be able to evolve (see what I did there :)?) to maintain greater mass-market appeal as their brand grows. They've definitely implemented some of the "air bags" into the DNA40 (although we did see some issues we wouldn't expect in a mass-market product), and they're adding even more to the DNA200, so I think it's safe to say that Evolv is learning from Yihi/Chinese mass manufacturers, too. Unfortunately, I do personally think they're their own worst enemy (LiPo pack or 3x 18650's only? Seriously?)...



    Also, for everyone who says the Chinese just copy and don't do anything innovative: you're absolutely right. I mean, yeah, technically they did invent the electronic cigarette, but that's just a technicality, right? :D
     
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