Do I need to cut down the nicotine?
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Here is my Take on whats happening. Its a 2 Fold issue. First off your lungs have smaller clusters of sack like membranes all over them. At first when you were vapeing thouse were mostly dead/Clogged up from smokeing. As you have been vapeing awhile now your lungs are regenerating. At first you wernt takeing in maximum possible nic becouse your lungs could not absorb it all. Now that they are healing your getting more from the same nic level. Secondly when you first started vapeing you were "hitting" it more like a cig. as time went on you learned how to "vape" it not smoke it so your vapor intake has improved. Go all the way down to 6mg. Dont be afraid i did and i didnt have any craves with it.
I don't know if your theory is right or wrong but it is presented lucidly. Far be it for anyone to refute it. =)
Sandy, aside from the mg content, about how many mls are you vaping? Could it just be too often? Either way, Tersur's suggestion of lowering the nic is sound. FWIW, I didn't have that issue and I have vaped 16/18 mg for well over two years -- 2-3 mls per day. Not consciously, but I *do* slow down with vaping as bedtime approaches though.
Sandy, aside from the mg content, about how many mls are you vaping? Could it just be too often? Either way, Tersur's suggestion of lowering the nic is sound. FWIW, I didn't have that issue and I have vaped 16/18 mg for well over two years -- 2-3 mls per day. Not consciously, but I *do* slow down with vaping as bedtime approaches though.
Tersur, Very interesting! And that sounds like it might work. 6 mg.
Richie, I don't know how many ml I use. I don't pay attention, and switch flavors a lot
Richie, I don't know how many ml I use. I don't pay attention, and switch flavors a lot
Sandy, Im with Tersur -- i started at 18 also and I went down to 6 (basically so i could vape more without worrying about getting too much nic lol). Usually in the mornings i have my 18 mg snickerdoodle and then the rest of the day I am at 6 with everything else and it doesnt bother me at all. (In that i usually dont feel "over-nicced" and I really dont miss the extra nic either).
It's really easy to "over vape." Did stepping down a notch improve anything? If so, I'd go to 6.
Dropping to 6 made it less harsh in the morning and at high volts. Flavor was slightly improved.
i hate to sound like a jerk, but that's simply not true. i'm not interested in going into the absorption rates of nicotine through vaping compared to smoking, but lets just say your'e taking in ALOT less nicotine vaping than you were when you were smoking. period. your'e not having a nic overdose, it's incredibly difficult to take in too much nic from vaping and believe me, your'e not doing it.
people that quit smoking can go through physical type withdrawals for up to a month, sometimes over when they get bad enough cravings. you have to remember all the other thousands of chemicals you were addicted to when you were smoking. that's why your body is jittery, it's being deprived. only thing you can do from here is keep depriving it so you don't have to go through it again.
google nicotine absorption rates through vaping if you don't believe me. it's kind of like the dangers of overdosing on pot, you'd literally have to smoke like 900 joints in 1 sitting for the ... to become dangerous to your body. same thing with vaping and nicotine, unless your'e vaping like a 100mg nic juice. at 18mg believe me it's not the nicotine.
people that quit smoking can go through physical type withdrawals for up to a month, sometimes over when they get bad enough cravings. you have to remember all the other thousands of chemicals you were addicted to when you were smoking. that's why your body is jittery, it's being deprived. only thing you can do from here is keep depriving it so you don't have to go through it again.
google nicotine absorption rates through vaping if you don't believe me. it's kind of like the dangers of overdosing on pot, you'd literally have to smoke like 900 joints in 1 sitting for the ... to become dangerous to your body. same thing with vaping and nicotine, unless your'e vaping like a 100mg nic juice. at 18mg believe me it's not the nicotine.
I can only speak from personal observations on my end. At 24mg less than an hour of vapeing leaves me with a headache and feeling jittery and uptight. At 12 i have to chain vape to feel that way and it takes me longer to relax at bed time. At 6 i feel no effects.
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completely understand, and i've heard lots and lots of similar experiences. however, if you look at the research done, as i said, the amount of nicotine absorbed through vaping compared to smoking is negligible.
if you vape 2ml's of 24mg juice every day your'e maybe absorbing 2mg of actual nicotine, now compare that to smoking a pack a day (which by the way would leave you vaping about twice as much in one day as smoking)and your'e absorbing 20-25mg's of nicotine daily.
with the op's case, best i can tell anyway is like i said, she's only been off smokes for right around a month, which for people that quit cold turkey, is still well within physical withdrawal time. so that's my best guess.
i personally have never felt the feeling of supposed "nic overdose" and i vape about 2-2.5 or 3ml's of 16mg nic juice daily since i started so i guess i can't really speak on the subject other than to point out all the research that's been done about nic absorption. i also never felt any cravings to have a cig once i started vaping. guess i got lucky
if you vape 2ml's of 24mg juice every day your'e maybe absorbing 2mg of actual nicotine, now compare that to smoking a pack a day (which by the way would leave you vaping about twice as much in one day as smoking)and your'e absorbing 20-25mg's of nicotine daily.
with the op's case, best i can tell anyway is like i said, she's only been off smokes for right around a month, which for people that quit cold turkey, is still well within physical withdrawal time. so that's my best guess.
i personally have never felt the feeling of supposed "nic overdose" and i vape about 2-2.5 or 3ml's of 16mg nic juice daily since i started so i guess i can't really speak on the subject other than to point out all the research that's been done about nic absorption. i also never felt any cravings to have a cig once i started vaping. guess i got lucky
i am with tersur on this, although i dont have any data to back it up. i felt the same way as you did sandy and it was due to the nicotine. when it started happening, i vaped lesser nic in the evening so i could fall asleep (and i got sweaty very easily, sometimes just sitting in one place without doing anything)
as the lungs repair themselves you WILL absorb nicotine more, how can anyone refute that?
i went down from 16 to 6 and all those side-effects have gone bye-bye. i dont mean to sound like a know-it-all because i know very little...but i can tell you this: (regardless of why/how), im using less nic and dont have those side effects.
i dont really need research to tell me how my body reacts to nic.
as the lungs repair themselves you WILL absorb nicotine more, how can anyone refute that?
i went down from 16 to 6 and all those side-effects have gone bye-bye. i dont mean to sound like a know-it-all because i know very little...but i can tell you this: (regardless of why/how), im using less nic and dont have those side effects.
i dont really need research to tell me how my body reacts to nic.
Mello, how long have you been vaping, and when did you get to 6? I do have a 4 mg. juice, but I tend to non-stop vape it if I use it in the evening. I guess I just have to keep it in another room!
lol, ok, well i'm not here to argue with anyone to be honest.
anyone that cares to understand that nicotine in nic juice is pretty much all just geared toward how much throat hit you want, can use the old google machine to do that little thing called learning from FACTS. everybody else can just keep blaming nicotine, which is a great idea while we're in the middle of a battle with the FDA trying to keep nic juice on the market lol.
anyone that cares to understand that nicotine in nic juice is pretty much all just geared toward how much throat hit you want, can use the old google machine to do that little thing called learning from FACTS. everybody else can just keep blaming nicotine, which is a great idea while we're in the middle of a battle with the FDA trying to keep nic juice on the market lol.
Your post wasn't argumentitve rob. I can guess your genuinely trying to add to the conversation. I just dont care what any report is telling me if my own observations disagree. I definitely feel noticeable difference in my vape experience changeing nothing other than nic level. When this possability first occurred to me i proceeded to test my therory with 2 bottles of juice. Same flavor. Same vendor. Same pv. Same voltage. Effects were as noted in previous post.
*edit added* i didnt get the bad effects on 24mg till after 2-3 months vapeing. Then dropped down when i came to my conclusion.
*edit added* i didnt get the bad effects on 24mg till after 2-3 months vapeing. Then dropped down when i came to my conclusion.
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i started in march of this year (about 8 months ago)
i vaped 16-18 mg for 3 or 4 months, then dropped down to 12 due to the ill effects (jitters, sweating, ear ringing, sleeplessness and really jumpy to sudden noises).
there is a great chance that over-doing nic will effect people differently ( i hear many get nauseous but i never did).
the bummer about stepping down in nic level is that you get less throat hit....so i started adding 0 mg of peppermint into my lower nic juices. that way you get a "th-like sensation" even if there is very little nic in the juice.
you can not get a 0mg juice that has throat hit.
oh, and i dropped down to 6mg after 6-7 months and now im "dabbing" into 0mg liquids.
yes, i think i vape more with less nic but my thought is that eventually i will vape less. (i use roughly 4 ml's a day). like you, its difficult to put a firm number since i vape few different flavors.
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Nic can be highly toxic if absorbed though vaping or pretty much anyway so very possibly the OP's jittery feelings is because of the level she is vaping and how often she vapes, period. If your feeling jittery I would cut down the MG's for sure. I've been at this for going on 3yrs and started at 36mg then down to 24mg for well over 1-1/2yrs then to 18mg then to 16mg and now I'm currently at 12mg for my daily vape. I sometimes hit the 16-18mg in the early morning and at night time after 6pm try to kick it down to 6mg and this helps me get to sleep a lot easier then if I where hitting the 12mg-18mg without a doubt.
Every single person is effected differently as we each individually have our own bodily make up inside of us and what cause us to react the way we do towards anything we put in our bodies is an individual thing different with every person. Especially with Nicotine, you can even use caffine as an example, some can drink one or two cups a day and that's it, some can drink a cup of coffee an hour before they go to bed and have no issues. The bottom line is act on what your body and mind is telling you. To the OP if your feeling jittery, heart racing, cant sleep, cut it back and you wont have these same symptoms that your having, go to 0mg at night time if you must so you can at least enjoy the flavor and be able to vape. I'm no Dr and this is just my personal thoughts on this subject.
Every single person is effected differently as we each individually have our own bodily make up inside of us and what cause us to react the way we do towards anything we put in our bodies is an individual thing different with every person. Especially with Nicotine, you can even use caffine as an example, some can drink one or two cups a day and that's it, some can drink a cup of coffee an hour before they go to bed and have no issues. The bottom line is act on what your body and mind is telling you. To the OP if your feeling jittery, heart racing, cant sleep, cut it back and you wont have these same symptoms that your having, go to 0mg at night time if you must so you can at least enjoy the flavor and be able to vape. I'm no Dr and this is just my personal thoughts on this subject.
0MG Atomic cinicade has TH, you can also add some PGA to 0mg to achieve some TH
I was a 1.5 -2 pack a day smoker for 25+ years mostly smoking Marlboro Lights towards the end of my smoking and when I started vaping, I tried 20mg of nic and it was way too much. I have high blood pressure and the 20mg was making my pressure go up and getting the shakes and harsh throat. I went down to 6mg and all is fine. I still get a nice throat hit and it is now more like I was smoking cigs before with a relax nic high.
I'm not sure how these e-liquids nicotine levels are added to match how real smokes have their nic levels. I would like to know. According to Philp Morris, the Marlboro Lights nic level is 0.5mg. Does anybody know what this "real" tobacco nic level equals to e-liquid?
I'm not sure how these e-liquids nicotine levels are added to match how real smokes have their nic levels. I would like to know. According to Philp Morris, the Marlboro Lights nic level is 0.5mg. Does anybody know what this "real" tobacco nic level equals to e-liquid?
im not sure about the formula but i used to smoke 0.7 nic analogs for 25 yrs and started vaping 16-18 mg/ml (felt right for me).
i think the range is something like this:
marb red: 18-36
lights: 12-18
ultra lights: 6-12
i think the range is something like this:
marb red: 18-36
lights: 12-18
ultra lights: 6-12
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Yes, sounds like you're right, cut nic. level. Then if you feel you need more nic. just vape some higher nic. briefly & go back to lower.
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