Do I really want a Hybrid?

[zero7starz]

Hey everyone!

I am dying to own a hybrid, and they're a few available on the market now that are reasonably attainable for me. Also exciting!

But I am also very nervous. I have never owned a mechanical mod before. By that, I mean a device that isn't variable voltage, or at least regulated.

So right now, while I am comfortable with building genesis atomizers, the process usually starts with me building it, finding the ohm rating of the setup I just made, and adjusting the voltage accordingly. I am not sure how to go about it for building on a mechanical. Since mechs aren't VV, as I understand the voltage is based off of the battery...

Does one then try to build a specific ohm coil? Does one try to play with voltage in the batteries to attain a specific setting? I just don't quite understand. VV was so straight forward lol.


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[Busted knuckles]

Yue are correct. You'll want to build a coil with a specific resistance, what that resistance is depends entirely on your personal taste.
You'll want to find ohms law calculator on line and use it to build a coil that will give you the wattage you want to vape at.
If your just starting out on the mechanical mod path, you may want to start with a regular mech mod and an RBA. This will allow you to put the RBA on your vv device to check resistance. With a hybrid, you'll have to use a multi meter on the positive and negative legs of your coil to decipher the resistance. Similar but a little more complicated for the beginer.

 

[JmanEspresso]

My first ever mech was a genesis Hybrid. I still have it. It was/is a Zenesis Altus, in gun metal. I dont use it a whole lot these days, but I wont be sellinf

Hybrids are awesome if you like genesis vapes.

My go to genesis setup, is a 4 wrap of 28gauge Kanthal, 400SS mesh wick rolled tight and tapered. The technique I have ironed out for getting the wick setup works so well, that using juice that is 50-50 is almost a problem because it floods so easy. And, the wick/coil lasts so long. On the two iHybrids I currently have setup, both of them have been setup with the same wick coils for over a month, almost two months.

a 4 wrap of 28g will be anywhere from .6 to .8ohms, depending on the thickness of wick and how much angle you put onthe coils. I dont stress as much about checking the ohms everytime I wrap a new coil like I would on an RDA, because I basically never change what I do on a Genesis Hybrid, and if I DO, its to go higher in the ohms, not lower. So as long as you're using good batteries(AW IMR), and its at least an 18490, you dont need to worry about the amp limit being too low. If you ARE using an AW IMR 18350, you need to be sure the coil is no lower than .8ohms.


You can also do micro coils and cotton on a genesis, plenty of people do.. but me personally, 1)I dont like micro coils and cotton that much and 2)never on a genny. I have genesis hybrids because I like the way SS mesh vapes. I have RDAs for other wicking setups. But thats me, feel free to use whatever you like.

Honestly, if you like the vape from a genny atomizer, then a hybrid is going to be your best friend.

 

[zero7starz]

My first ever mech was a genesis Hybrid. I still have it. It was/is a Zenesis Altus, in gun metal. I dont use it a whole lot these days, but I wont be sellinf

Hybrids are awesome if you like genesis vapes.

My go to genesis setup, is a 4 wrap of 28gauge Kanthal, 400SS mesh wick rolled tight and tapered. The technique I have ironed out for getting the wick setup works so well, that using juice that is 50-50 is almost a problem because it floods so easy. And, the wick/coil lasts so long. On the two iHybrids I currently have setup, both of them have been setup with the same wick coils for over a month, almost two months.

a 4 wrap of 28g will be anywhere from .6 to .8ohms, depending on the thickness of wick and how much angle you put onthe coils. I dont stress as much about checking the ohms everytime I wrap a new coil like I would on an RDA, because I basically never change what I do on a Genesis Hybrid, and if I DO, its to go higher in the ohms, not lower. So as long as you're using good batteries(AW IMR), and its at least an 18490, you dont need to worry about the amp limit being too low. If you ARE using an AW IMR 18350, you need to be sure the coil is no lower than .8ohms.


You can also do micro coils and cotton on a genesis, plenty of people do.. but me personally, 1)I dont like micro coils and cotton that much and 2)never on a genny. I have genesis hybrids because I like the way SS mesh vapes. I have RDAs for other wicking setups. But thats me, feel free to use whatever you like.

Honestly, if you like the vape from a genny atomizer, then a hybrid is going to be your best friend.

I totally agree one would be my best friend hehe. And I love genesis tanks. Right now my go to materials for wicks is 400 SS mesh, and 4/5 wrap 32g Kanthal. Without really trying, I systematically wrap a 2.5 ohm coil, and on the VVs, they're usually set between 3.5-3.9 volts.

And I already own a multimeter. Err, I should say have access to a multimeter lol. But that's nothing new. Used it a lot when we were learning to make SS wicks.

I can't say I've ever experienced a vape on a 0.X ohm coil before! If it's not at least 1.5ohms my VVs won't recognize it.

Ok so... Let's say I make a successful 0.8 ohm coil and stick in a fresh 18490 battery (charged to I'm guessing 4.2) then what would I be vaping at? That's soo confusing to me!

And one more thing, Jman! If you don't mind . As an iHybrid user, what are your thoughts on the iHybrid Pure? I'm really leaning towards a 18490 Pure, or a Zen Mini 2. I can't believe they've both become reasonably attainable!


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[jersey_emt]

Ok so... Let's say I make a successful 0.8 ohm coil and stick in a fresh 18490 battery (charged to I'm guessing 4.2) then what would I be vaping at? That's soo confusing to me!

Wattage is calculated with the following formula:

P = V^2 / R

Where:

P = power in watts
V = voltage
R = coil resistance in ohms

So, for a 0.8 ohm coil on a 4.2 volt battery:

P = (4.2 x 4.2) / 0.8 = 17.64 / 0.8 = 22.05 watts

 

[zero7starz]

Wattage is calculated with the following formula:

P = V^2 / R

Where:

P = power in watts
V = voltage
R = coil resistance in ohms

So, for a 0.8 ohm coil on a 4.2 volt battery:

P = (4.2 x 4.2) / 0.8 = 17.64 / 0.8 = 22.05 watts

That seems kinda high. Is that type of setup going to be forceful and hot?

It's a pretty drastic power difference between that and where I am now.

2.4 ohms
3.7 volts
5.7 watts
1.54 amps

I've built my current setups to be a cool, wet vape. Is a hybrid going to actually be the opposite with that kinda power spike?


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[JmanEspresso]

And one more thing, Jman! If you don't mind . As an iHybrid user, what are your thoughts on the iHybrid Pure? I'm really leaning towards a 18490 Pure, or a Zen Mini 2. I can't believe they've both become reasonably attainable!


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I love the pure. For 99 bucks, cant beat it. As much as I like/liked my Zen2, Id grab another ihybrid before I got another Zen. Plus, in this case, you get the higher amp limit of the 18490 batteries. The 18490s are not good for ultra low subohm, but going a little below 1ohm is ok. (the Aw IMR 18490 should be a 10amp battery, so, use an ohms laws calculator to figure out the amp draw of whatever your coil is.)

The thing with the Zens, is they're not really suited to subohm at all. They're designed to be used with 32 gauge kanthal, and always be above 1ohm.

Apparently the switch has an amp limiting spring or something, which causes a lot of voltage drop when you go subohm.

Thats all conjecture, what I can sure for sure, is with the same exact coil on the iHybrid pure and on the Zen Altus, the pure hits a bajillion times harder. Coils glows much quicker, produces much more vapor.


Is the Zen good. Yeah. It looks wonderful, it feels great.. its solid hybrid. Its definitely a higher quality, materials wise, than the pure. But for me, the pure is a better vape.

 

[Fury83]

0.8 ohms is generally not going to be a cool vape. You can build your hybrid to whatever you want though. There is no law saying it has to be subohm.

 

[Fury83]

I love the pure. For 99 bucks, cant beat it. As much as I like/liked my Zen2, Id grab another ihybrid before I got another Zen. Plus, in this case, you get the higher amp limit of the 18490 batteries. The 18490s are not good for ultra low subohm, but going a little below 1ohm is ok. (the Aw IMR 18490 should be a 10amp battery, so, use an ohms laws calculator to figure out the amp draw of whatever your coil is.)

AW IMR 18490's are 16.5 amp batteries as listed by AW.

 

[jersey_emt]

That seems kinda high. Is that type of setup going to be forceful and hot?

It's a pretty drastic power difference between that and where I am now.

2.4 ohms
3.7 volts
5.7 watts
1.54 amps

I've built my current setups to be a cool, wet vape. Is a hybrid going to actually be the opposite with that kinda power spike?

Power (wattage) increases with the square of the voltage, and you are also asking about using an 0.8 ohm coil -- so even at 3.7 volts, it will give three times the power as your current 2.4 ohm setup.

If you want the same vape as you get now (5.7 watts), you will need a 3.0 ohm coil. Of course the power will decrease as the battery runs down. At 3.7 volts, a 3.0 ohm coil will produce only 4.6 watts.

 

[JmanEspresso]

AW IMR 18490's are 16.5 amp batteries as listed by AW.

Fck me!

You're positive about this? IF so, dude. DOOOOOD, you have made my freaking day. Not only do I have plenty of them, I was specifically holding off on buying a particular mod BECAUSE it couldnt do 18650, only 490. 10amp would have limited me too much for how much I would have spent, but 16.5 is more then ok, especially when Ive got a couple 650 mods already.

Wow. Just wow. I am SO HAPPY that this is the new thing I learned today. Thank you dood, thank you very much. You have yourself a damn good holiday!

 

[JmanEspresso]

That seems kinda high. Is that type of setup going to be forceful and hot?

It's a pretty drastic power difference between that and where I am now.

2.4 ohms
3.7 volts
5.7 watts
1.54 amps

I've built my current setups to be a cool, wet vape. Is a hybrid going to actually be the opposite with that kinda power spike?


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IF you've never experience a vape below 1ohm, at first its going to be a shock to your senses for sure. It was for me, big time. I started to regret the purchase, because the vape was so intense.

Let me tell you something though. that thought went away so fast my head was spinning, because the flavor saturation kicked up ten times, and the moist-ness factor along with that saturation did the same thing. As for the warmth of the vape, you'd be surprised how well you can modulate that with different drip tips and air hole combinations.

Today, I crave that intense deep saturated vape so much so, that of the four devices I have in front of me, the highest ohm setup is a .5ohm.. and thier ALL dual coils. If you told a couple months ago thats what my desk would look like, I would have laughed in your face. But thats the way of it I suppose.


As a closing thought, the Zen compared to the Pure, will produce a cooler vape. The zen has a nice open air hole.. it really hits a perfect draw, because its open enough for full lung hits, but tight enough that you can still puff on it. The pure is a bit of a tighter air hole(though its still OK for lung hits, the pure, in stock form, is not what you'd call a cloud chasing setup. Thats the reason I usually carry it out with me. Fogging up my room or my car is one thing, but what about when Im walking through the grocery store??? Discreet is better in public, IMO)

 

[Kemosabe]

AW IMR 18490's are 16.5 amp batteries as listed by AW.

thats what i found too.
AW IMR 18650 2000mAh is 10A, the 1600mAh 18650 is 22A
the 18350 is 6A
and the 14500 is 4.8A
in case anyone was wondering.