I read something about this recently in a post. Any expjerience with this? I just bought an LR Atty, but I don't want to kill my battery! Let me know what you think
do LR attys kill ego batteries?
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people have reported that it will kill the MOSFET switch sooner. The mosfet switch is electrical as apposed to mechanical and drawing too many watts through it reduces it's lifespan. The owner of madvapes did a good write up explainging why using LR on eGo or eGo clones can and in most cases will damage the switch over time. The battery itself can probably handle it with it simply needing to be charged more often but not the switch.
thanks that was the link I wasn't going to try and find. the cutoff seems to be 2.5ohms and above. Some atties are as low as 1.5ohms.
I know it's a long thread, but it was well worth the read. You summed it up great Brad 
I have had my eGo for almost 3 months now and only us 2.0-2.5ohm attys and cartos on it. So in my experience I would say no. I vape heavily and one battery lasts my 5-8 hours. If you go lower ohms than 2.0 you may run the risk of killing your battery but I get HUGE clouds with a royal smoker e2 xl carto at 2.4ohms. Its my favorite set up
Here is my post reviewing them
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/electronic-cigarette-reviews/146757-2-4ohm-royal-smokers-ce2-r4-xl-cartomizers-cov-ego-pt-perfect-vape.html
Great info, I have been testing my eGo 900 batt with a LR 510 from Totaly Wicked, it's been going strong for a couple of weeks of hard vaping, I will let you know when it bites the dust. I hope to make it to mid January when the ProVari arrives.
Thanks,
Jeff~
Thanks,
Jeff~
It's the heat, the heat with chain vaping heats up the PCB, if you don't chain vape and heat them up they seem to work fine, I always rotate my EGO/Riva batts and haven't blow one in a long long time since using them this way. And by rotate I mean one in each hand,, hahahaha
About 1.5ohm's... that's really hot. I stick to 2ohm's and above, battery lasts longer too.
i concur,
used sparingly(heat)
the 650 stock batts w/mosfet design
should keep the switch at bay
ahh brings back memorys
double fist'in those brewskis+ cigs
not all good memorys i might add lol
Makin new 1s w/ e-cigs +beer !
V.I
I have the Riva batteries and the eGo batteries and they have done just fine with LR attys. I've been converted to LR 306 attys and I love love love them. Havn't had a single problem and my batteries are pretty close to a year old.
1.5ohm. And I have used them on eGo's without an issue. As stated above just understand the risks, weigh the rewards and have fun. For me the Cisco really shines on a 3.7MOD since you are getting the full voltage to the atty. But if you only have eGo batts and are OK knowing you may shorten the life or have a failure no issue. I know for me the rewards are worth the risk.
My full time vape is my fist pack at 5v. I do miss the smaller devices though. My first pv was the screwdriver that was a little big for a 3.7 device, and the button on the bottom sux. The only thing I liked about it was the 900mah battery, the ego I think will be a nice side vape
Just for me personally, i have avoided responding to all except a few of the "can i use LR batteries on an EGO/RIVA/016...." threads. The reason is there really isn't an answer.
Will it cause a difference in the way your battery performs? The answer even to that question is way too long and complicated for most folks to even care. You have to define exactly which battery and then define what it's listed specification are to even begin to calculate what the effects of using a different load than the battery was designed to use. Just actually testing how it actually effects any of those specifications is time consuming and expensive.
I speculate that is the only reason myself and none of the other EEs here have actually done so. There are several standards for testing just the basics of battery performance so even if some real tests were actually done the results would be subjective and probably not even come close to answering the actual questions.
Just take cycle testing the battery alone under diffenent loads. Cycle testing evaluates the battery's usable number of charges & discharges. There are a hundred conditions or more that effect this test alone. Temperature, altitude,humidity,power condition and the list goes on and on. Now you have to establish what constitutes the end of useable duty. Most test standards allow the battery to continue in duty until it fails to meet 80% of its rated specifications. Then you have to include failure percentage...how many batteries must fail the test out of 100 to apply to all of them.
Now once we somehow all agreed on the test variables we can actually start the tests right....
Lets just test the smallest sample possible to get even a minimal accuracy. 1 brand, 100 batteries....ok, i'll foot the bill for 100 ego batteries to be destroyed (Not). So let's hook 'em up to some test equipment and really determine if a LR load vs the load used by the mfgr shortens their life. Now we need 200 batteries, one set for the control and one set for the LR load. (We won't even get into how we set the conditions for standardizing the load). So now we're off...
So we set up our banks of 100 cells using some expensive multi-channel testers which can create different charge and discharge profiles including pulsed inputs and loads. All the while maintaing the performance parameters like temperature, impedance, output rate and so on. Now we have to monitor and record the results. Let's say it takes takes about 5 hours minimum to completely discharge an Ego battery, and they are rated by the mfg to let's say 400 cycles.
Thats 400 cycles x 5 hours = 2000 hours, divided by 24 hours a day which is 83 days. For larger capacity batteries like the Hello 016 it would more than double to like 170 days.
I simply don't care enough nor have the time and money to do so to prove what many keep asking.
Will using a LR Atty on my ego/riva/etc "kill" my battery?
Who knows! If you want to get more heat from the same size battery then accept that any deviation from the parameters the Mfg used to test the specs of the battery will change the outcome.
Either use bigger batteries or quit worrying about it and buy some extras.
Will it cause a difference in the way your battery performs? The answer even to that question is way too long and complicated for most folks to even care. You have to define exactly which battery and then define what it's listed specification are to even begin to calculate what the effects of using a different load than the battery was designed to use. Just actually testing how it actually effects any of those specifications is time consuming and expensive.
I speculate that is the only reason myself and none of the other EEs here have actually done so. There are several standards for testing just the basics of battery performance so even if some real tests were actually done the results would be subjective and probably not even come close to answering the actual questions.
Just take cycle testing the battery alone under diffenent loads. Cycle testing evaluates the battery's usable number of charges & discharges. There are a hundred conditions or more that effect this test alone. Temperature, altitude,humidity,power condition and the list goes on and on. Now you have to establish what constitutes the end of useable duty. Most test standards allow the battery to continue in duty until it fails to meet 80% of its rated specifications. Then you have to include failure percentage...how many batteries must fail the test out of 100 to apply to all of them.
Now once we somehow all agreed on the test variables we can actually start the tests right....
Lets just test the smallest sample possible to get even a minimal accuracy. 1 brand, 100 batteries....ok, i'll foot the bill for 100 ego batteries to be destroyed (Not). So let's hook 'em up to some test equipment and really determine if a LR load vs the load used by the mfgr shortens their life. Now we need 200 batteries, one set for the control and one set for the LR load. (We won't even get into how we set the conditions for standardizing the load). So now we're off...
So we set up our banks of 100 cells using some expensive multi-channel testers which can create different charge and discharge profiles including pulsed inputs and loads. All the while maintaing the performance parameters like temperature, impedance, output rate and so on. Now we have to monitor and record the results. Let's say it takes takes about 5 hours minimum to completely discharge an Ego battery, and they are rated by the mfg to let's say 400 cycles.
Thats 400 cycles x 5 hours = 2000 hours, divided by 24 hours a day which is 83 days. For larger capacity batteries like the Hello 016 it would more than double to like 170 days.
I simply don't care enough nor have the time and money to do so to prove what many keep asking.
Will using a LR Atty on my ego/riva/etc "kill" my battery?
Who knows! If you want to get more heat from the same size battery then accept that any deviation from the parameters the Mfg used to test the specs of the battery will change the outcome.
Either use bigger batteries or quit worrying about it and buy some extras.
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A large supplier is in the best position to actually answer the question, when they start seeing premature returns on the product in elevated numbers and they queery the user base to discover they are using LR attys, then they can rather quickly determine cause and effect.
This is exactly why Hoogie at MadVapes was able to post a warning a few months ago.
If the Question is "CAN a LR atty kill an eGo power unit" The answer is YES... it CAN
If the Question is "WILL a LR atty kill an eGo power unit" The answer is POSSIBLY... it CAN, but it may not.
That information was good to put out... the thing is we are stressing our ecigs out with 'regular' atties as well...Lithium-ions weren't really intended to be put through the abuse that us vaperers do to them... so yes logically if you lower the resistance you are putting more stress on your ego-type ecig... yes and the added circuitry makes it a bit more volatile.
I guess I have been fortunate so far with my LR's and ego-type battery...but at the same time I know the stress I am putting on them...
I agree with the info, because I don't think people should blindly do something... alot of issues with any ecig related problem can be handled by mere user care.
If one is worried and doesn't want to risk it.. then it really isn't necessary to try, there are other means of getting the satisfaction that one needs.
If you are not worried,, at least be understanding and if you are not lucky to have your device last for months.. you should be ok with buying another replacement.
summary... on one side I wouldn't say 'You must do it' and the other side I wouldn't say 'Don't even think about it'
start with the basics and then build from there
LGD
I guess I have been fortunate so far with my LR's and ego-type battery...but at the same time I know the stress I am putting on them...
I agree with the info, because I don't think people should blindly do something... alot of issues with any ecig related problem can be handled by mere user care.
If one is worried and doesn't want to risk it.. then it really isn't necessary to try, there are other means of getting the satisfaction that one needs.
If you are not worried,, at least be understanding and if you are not lucky to have your device last for months.. you should be ok with buying another replacement.
summary... on one side I wouldn't say 'You must do it' and the other side I wouldn't say 'Don't even think about it'
start with the basics and then build from there
LGD
It's a race. All atties are out to kill all batteries, and all batteries are out to kill all atties.
Sooner or later, one of them is going to win.
Sooner or later, one of them is going to win.
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