do LR attys kill ego batteries?

[uba egar320]

That's not what I'm reading here... I see Yes and Maybe, I have yet to see a definitive "no" from a well informed respondent.

Never said I read it here. I've been at this for a while. This is one little thread on the subject. If I'm not mistaken, I've read a supplier says no on their website about the lr's on 650's and the like. I hope it does not personally. I think it would be a shame for someone not to be able to see what lr's are like without killing their pv.

 

[Zen~]

In my opinion, and please bear in mind it is ONLY my opinion, the underlying truth of the matter is that, by my standards, the eGo is a relatively poor PV in general, and even though the price of admission is pretty low compared to devices that use batteries from 14500 and larger. In the long run it costs quite a bit more than a decent 14500 device.

I can get an amazing vape from a 14500 and a 1.5ohm atty with relatively low fear of blowing out anything but my nicotinic receptors.

 

[uba egar320]

In my opinion, and please bear in mind it is ONLY my opinion, the underlying truth of the matter is that, by my standards, the eGo is a relatively poor PV in general, and even though the price of admission is pretty low compared to devices that use batteries from 14500 and larger. In the long run it costs quite a bit more than a decent 14500 device.

I can get an amazing vape from a 14500 and a 1.5ohm atty with relatively low fear of blowing out anything but my nicotinic receptors.

And this is why I will probably never own one lol. Other than when I started, or getting things for pals, I stick with mods just for the fact that if the battery dies, 8 or 10 bucks is going to get me back to vaping and not chucking my pv. Going back to a standard atty would be torture for me now. Folks that don't get to mess with them are really missing out imo. Like right now, I've got a 901lr on an 18650 pv, and the freaking hit is instant. 2 seconds, 3 tops. To me, it don't get no better than that lol.

 

[Zen~]

And this is why I will probably never own one lol. Other than when I started, or getting things for pals, I stick with mods just for the fact that if the battery dies, 8 or 10 bucks is going to get me back to vaping and not chucking my pv. Going back to a standard atty would be torture for me now. Folks that don't get to mess with them are really missing out imo. Like right now, I've got a 901lr on an 18650 pv, and the freaking hit is instant. 2 seconds, 3 tops. To me, it don't get no better than that lol.

Which is why I'm so verbal about the nearly instantanious response of "GET AN eGO" when newbs ask what to buy... I had an eGo... it's a 510 with a bigger battery... big whoop... if battery life is the ONLY metric that matters, the eGo is STILL a mediocre choice, at best.

In 3.7 devices I like 14500 or larger with an LR 510 or even better, an LR 801 Atty. On higher voltages I like the Higher resistance 801... now THAT is massive vapor and outstanding throat hit...

The eGo... meh... let them die on LR attys or compromised ones for all I care...

 

[uba egar320]

I get what you're saying.

 

[CraigHB]

Hell, the eGo isn't even a 3.7V device. It's not even DC. It uses PWM and puts the equivalent of about 3.4V, probably lower with an LR atty because it doesn't handle the load very well. Yea, the eGo is a pretty crappy device really, but it's cheap for entry level. Not something you want to stick with for the duration. The high failure rate makes it more expensive in the long run.

 

[lafl333]

I've had 2 Rivas 750 mah and 2 Joye 510's since Sept 2010....have used reg. and LR attys on all along w/ cartomizers. In my opinion the cartomizers have a smoother draw less TH. I vape all day and rotate everything but not a fanatic about anything. Try to keep it all clean and use common sense. Lost 2 attys so far probably mine fault. The LR I dry burned which I was told you should never do...they need to be wet. The other was a dewicked/debridged one which died of natural causes. It's a learning curve...Just enjoy whatever you have and be happy you threw away the cigs!!!

 

[mauzey]

I don't know, the eGo with a LR atty or carto works well, feels a little more natural than then the larger mods, I might not feel the same when my ProVari arrives, but I can't see tooting around town with that screwdriver in mouth.

Thanks

 

[Scottbee]

Hell, the eGo isn't even a 3.7V device. It's not even DC. It uses PWM and puts the equivalent of about 3.4V, probably lower with an LR atty because it doesn't handle the load very well.

Really? And where exactly did you get that number from?

 

[Zen~]

Really? And where exactly did you get that number from?

I believe the eGo has a 3.7v battery stuffed in there, but oddly, every one I have put on a meter has read 3.2-3.3v... I assumed there was a regulator in there pulling it down. They also seem to put out 3.2v under load as well, again, to me that seems like a regulator of some kind at work. I've checked them on both cheap rat shack meters and my trusty Simpson 260.

I've seen knockoffs read 4.2 fully charged that behave like there's no regulator with loads, but never an actual Joye eGo... They've been solid in the 3.2-3.3 range... Every one of them... I am certain my sample set is much smaller than yours based on past threads, but that's what I've observed across roughly a dozen or so test subjects.

Am I missing someting?

 

[uba egar320]

I don't know, the eGo with a LR atty or carto works well, feels a little more natural than then the larger mods, I might not feel the same when my ProVari arrives, but I can't see tooting around town with that screwdriver in mouth.

Thanks

I'd be willing to bet the SD is smaller than the ego and the provari.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

I'd be willing to bet the SD is smaller than the ego and the provari.

I'll take that bet if we are talking about diameter



Edit: so what do you owe me

 

[uba egar320]

If you got'em, line'em up lol. Not sure about the ego's or provari's diameter. My SD is at home today, but I'll mic it Tues. But just from pic's, it looks quite shorter to me.

 

[Scottbee]

I believe the eGo has a 3.7v battery stuffed in there, but oddly, every one I have put on a meter has read 3.2-3.3v... I assumed there was a regulator in there pulling it down. They also seem to put out 3.2v under load as well, again, to me that seems like a regulator of some kind at work. I've checked them on both cheap rat shack meters and my trusty Simpson 260.

I've seen knockoffs read 4.2 fully charged that behave like there's no regulator with loads, but never an actual Joye eGo... They've been solid in the 3.2-3.3 range... Every one of them... I am certain my sample set is much smaller than yours based on past threads, but that's what I've observed across roughly a dozen or so test subjects.

Am I missing someting?

It's an old thread... but if you have interest in the battery effective voltages (and a waveform or two).... look here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/joye-510/65055-battery-voltages-surprise.html

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Response to Uba.. before Scott interrupted our wager

Well if you check this page out

Totally Wicked Screwdriver Mk II

you can click on an image with it compared to a Riva

you will get a bigger image of this:

Let's just call it even and just enjoy a vape

 

[uba egar320]

Response to Uba.. before Scott interrupted our wager

Well if you check this page out

Totally Wicked Screwdriver Mk II

you can click on an image with it compared to a Riva

you will get a bigger image of this:

Let's just call it even and just enjoy a vape

Sounds good lol.

 

[BradSmith]

This thread makes me glad I came to ECF before I bought a PV. I bought two 510 kits from cignot and rotated batteries until my head spun out. Then I started making my own mods using more help from the great people on this site. Not that the eGo is a bad starter PV I'm sure it's cool and all, but I wanted a cig sized PV to start with. I skipped over the eGo once I got over the need for a cig sized PV.

Reading the posts about how any atty drops to LR is suprizing (not that I doubt it) it just seems counterintuitive because LR atties generally put out more vapor not just more heat. My atties after time put out more heat and less vapor. Is it possible they are shorting out, so that the power is not just going into the coil? If the coil is simply getting smaller why don't they just act like a LR atty for a while then die? Why does the outer casing get so hot without putting out extra vapor?

 

[Zen~]

It's an old thread... but if you have interest in the battery effective voltages (and a waveform or two).... look here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/joye-510/65055-battery-voltages-surprise.html

So your results are even lower than mine...

I think the point being made that the eGo isn't a true 3.7v device... It doesn't even come close to delivering that voltage.

 

[Scottbee]

So your results are even lower than mine...

I think the point being made that the eGo isn't a true 3.7v device... It doesn't even come close to delivering that voltage.

I absolutely agree. It never has been a "true" 3.7VDC device.

 

[Scottbee]

Reading the posts about how any atty drops to LR is suprizing (not that I doubt it) it just seems counterintuitive because LR atties generally put out more vapor not just more heat. My atties after time put out more heat and less vapor. Is it possible they are shorting out, so that the power is not just going into the coil? If the coil is simply getting smaller why don't they just act like a LR atty for a while then die? Why does the outer casing get so hot without putting out extra vapor?

I remember "back in the day" of standard resistance only atomizers when I'd get one that magically dropped inot the LR range and gave me this amazing performance.. right before it would die a quick death. I never figured out what was going on back then... but I sure did enjoy those brief glimpses of the "LR" stuff to come.

In a perfect world with a "perfect atty", there isn't much wasted heat that gets transferred to the outer shell of the unit. That's just wasted power after all. The consumed power should/would only keep the coil and the adjacent well above the necessary vaporization temperature, and the rest of the consumed power would be actually used to vaporize the liquid (latent heat of vaporization). The well would be insulated and all of the "heat" would be contained within that small volume.

But it's not a perfect world and most atties are far from efficient. And when they start to age and get "gunked up", vaporization rolls off because the coil area can't be fed with enough liquid to make the vapor and keep the coil "cool". The coil "overheats".. and the "gunk" provides a thermal conduction path... transferring the heat away from the coil pot and into the surrounding area. The "magic balance" of delivered power and delivered liquid has been busticated.