Do some new vapers have a death wish?

[Two_Bears]

Almost every day I see new vapers doing their Best to push the envelope way beyond safety levels.

People seem to think that just because a mod will Fire up to 200 watts. That is not why you get a 200 wstt device.

The reason you get a 200 watt device is so you can find a satisfying vape, and the batteries will last a good long time.

The other group that has me PULLING MY HAIR OUT is the person who get a mod that can fire all the way down to .15 or .05 then they come here and ask people to help them wrsp a coil that puts them on the razors edge of safety. Without understanding battery safety ot if their batteries can deal with a build that low, and not taking the time to understand resistance of Ohm's law.

Why do people insist in turning a safe mod into a pipe bomb?!

If you don't care about your own safety; I will not help you turn your mod into a bomb.

Carry on. My rant is over. Back to my den.

 

[dbrandt01]

#cloudsbroclouds

^^^ that pretty much. Some new vapers not all, I'm referring to the huge group of non smokers that just think it's cool that want to win cloud competitions. I also put blame on a lot of shops. Shops will sell a beginner a mech mod, build a 0.1 ohm build because the customer asks for me. However most of the time it seems the employee won't say no, they want a sell. The employee won't educate the customer with battery safety and ohms law. Although I have met some pretty dumb shop employees that probably don't even know battery safety or ohms law themselves.

 

[Lessifer]

This definitely doesn't apply to all vapers, but, we wouldn't have 200w mods, or subtanks, if someone didn't push the envelope.

Just a couple years ago a 0.8ohm coil was "on the razor's edge of safety."

 

[CasketWeaver]

#cloudsbroclouds

^^^ that pretty much. Some new vapers not all, I'm referring to the huge group of non smokers that just think it's cool that want to win cloud competitions. I also put blame on a lot of shops. Shops will sell a beginner a mech mod, build a 0.1 ohm build because the customer asks for me. However most of the time it seems the employee won't say no, they want a sell. The employee won't educate the customer with battery safety and ohms law. Although I have met some pretty dumb shop employees that probably don't even know battery safety or ohms law themselves.

I only know one shop near me that will build that low. The other, decent, reputable shops will tell you "We won't build below .25 Ohms" while the other shop(s) will try to educate you on the safest possible thing. They don't dare ask me what I use my mod for because they know. I have a 200W box mod - the only thing I've fired at 200W was a crap coil. And that was briefly before the wire snapped due to the immense heat.

My favorite thing to tell people that consider getting into high powered devices is - "just because you can, doesn't mean you should" I tell them that because I watched a guy at a cloud comp - crank his power up to 175W and proceed to burn the crap out of his lips and tongue. All I could do was shake my head and think to myself "He had it coming..."

As far as where I like my vape - depends on the mood I guess. I vape a lot - so my vape needs to be consistent - a lot. I think the sweet spot(s) for me is .5 Ohms down to .25 Ohms - Why the big gap? Just depends on what I'm vaping on. .4 - .5 for my short atty's and .25 - .3 for my longer atty's. I like heat - not scorching hot, but warm to hot. My preferred wattage bounces between 15-50W. Of course when I'm running in TC though .09 - .15 Ohms is the sweet spot.

 

[classwife]

...fixed your title spelling error for you

 

[VaporDaze]

How vape shops around me feel about safety/educating the new vapers...

 

[bwh79]

The other group that has me PULLING MY HAIR OUT is the person who get a mod that can fire all the way down to .15 or .05 then they come here and ask people to help them wrsp a coil that puts them on the razors edge of safety. Without understanding battery safety ot if their batteries can deal with a build that low, and not taking the time to understand resistance of Ohm's law.

What about the ones who don't realize that only the wattage setting and battery charge affect the amp draw in a regulated mod, and the ohms don't actually matter? If the resistance is too low for the mod, it simply won't fire. If it's not too low, then 100 watts, for example, is simply 100 watts to the battery, no matter what the resistance is. If the battery (or two batteries in parallel -- you'll see why in a minute) is/are at full charge of 4.2 volts, then 100 watts draws 100/4.2 = 23.8 amps. When they're lower in the charge cycle, at 3.2 volts for example, then (unlike with a mech mod, where the amp draw is highest at full charge) the amp draw is actually higher, at 100/3.2 = 31.25 amps. This is more than any single 18650 battery can safely put out which is why you'll need a dual-parallel battery setup, so the amp draw is shared equally across both batteries.

 

[CasketWeaver]

You can build down to .00001 Ohms if you like, but that's none of my business!

Your coil's resistance can be so low that it pushes electricity BACK into your battery, but that's none of my business.

Your mod requires a series of large car batteries (or a nuclear reactor) to fire your atty, but that's none of my business.

 

[Two_Bears]

#cloudsbroclouds

^^^ that pretty much. Some new vapers not all, I'm referring to the huge group of non smokers that just think it's cool that want to win cloud competitions. I also put blame on a lot of shops. Shops will sell a beginner a mech mod, build a 0.1 ohm build because the customer asks for me. However most of the time it seems the employee won't say no, they want a sell. The employee won't educate the customer with battery safety and ohms law. Although I have met some pretty dumb shop employees that probably don't even know battery safety or ohms law themselves.

The people that build mods with big wattage or for super low ohms share some of the responsibility too.

I never said all vapers. I thought I titled the thread "Do some vspers have a death wish?'

 

[Two_Bears]

This definitely doesn't apply to all vapers, but, we wouldn't have 200w mods, or subtanks, if someone didn't push the envelope.

Just a couple years ago a 0.8ohm coil was "on the razor's edge of safety."

I agree we would not have electricity, automobiles, etc without pushing the envelope.

However if s person is not careful or understanding safety concerns their mod can reach an explosive end and probably hurt themselves or friends and family.

 

[Two_Bears]

I only know one shop near me that will build that low. The other, decent, reputable shops will tell you "We won't build below .25 Ohms" while the other shop(s) will try to educate you on the safest possible thing. They don't dare ask me what I use my mod for because they know. I have a 200W box mod - the only thing I've fired at 200W was a crap coil. And that was briefly before the wire snapped due to the immense heat.

My favorite thing to tell people that consider getting into high powered devices is - "just because you can, doesn't mean you should" I tell them that because I watched a guy at a cloud comp - crank his power up to 175W and proceed to burn the crap out of his lips and tongue. All I could do was shake my head and think to myself "He had it coming..."

As far as where I like my vape - depends on the mood I guess. I vape a lot - so my vape needs to be consistent - a lot. I think the sweet spot(s) for me is .5 Ohms down to .25 Ohms - Why the big gap? Just depends on what I'm vaping on. .4 - .5 for my short atty's and .25 - .3 for my longer atty's. I like heat - not scorching hot, but warm to hot. My preferred wattage bounces between 15-50W. Of course when I'm running in TC though .09 - .15 Ohms is the sweet spot.

I disagree with very little of what you said here


I too have a sweet spot where the window is .2 ohms from the bottom to the top of my sweet spot..

I also agree "Just because you can does mot mean its s good idea"

 

[wheelie]

I guess my answer is why do companies sell coils down as low as .2 ohms? Why do companies make disposable coils that are good for 120 watts? If companies make the stuff people will use it. Most people do not have a clue what they are doing. Only us which is a very small percentage that hang out on ecig forums know the difference. So don't blame the user, instead blame the people that sell them the stuff. CHEERS!

 

[Two_Bears]

...fixed your title spelling error for you

Thanks. My computer is my iPhone and the tiny screen keyboard. My eyesight won't let me use a normal computer without a stiff back sitting hunched over the keyboard so I can get close enough to see what I am typing.

 

[Two_Bears]

I guess my answer is why do companies sell coils down as low as .2 ohms? Why do companies make disposable coils that are good for 120 watts? If companies make the stuff people will use it. Most people do not have a clue what they are doing. Only us which is a very small percentage that hang out on ecig forums know the difference. So don't blame the user, instead blame the people that sell them the stuff. CHEERS!

I agree with what you say. The problem is. I try to explain about battery safety and just because it will Fire 200 watts doesn't mean you have to vape that high.

Find s satisfying vape and it's good. They don't want to hear that.

 

[Bad Ninja]

 

[WillyZee]

it's like vaping meets the X-games ... except, no talent required

 

[WattWick]

This definitely doesn't apply to all vapers, but, we wouldn't have 200w mods, or subtanks, if someone didn't push the envelope.

Just a couple years ago a 0.8ohm coil was "on the razor's edge of safety."

Best part about recent developments is that I no longer get any flak for my .8 ohm builds... other than them not being particularly fistpumpworthy in the cooler crowds

Pushing the envelope is fine and all. Problem is when people perceive battery limits as something that has to be pushed just for sake of pushing limits. In reality, one could create thousands and thousands++ watts worth of vapor out of a battery powered thingy without pushing any limits. It's not like us vapers are particularly high up on the battery-powered hobby scale.

Some people extend the envelope. Others just push the limits of ignorance. The latter often mistake themselves for the former.

@Bad Ninja - Just a sidenote to your picture: There are three kinds of people. Those who make things happen. Those who watch things happen. And those who ask "What just happened".

 

[CasketWeaver]

I disagree with very little of what you said here


I too have a sweet spot where the window is .2 ohms from the bottom to the top of my sweet spot..

I also agree "Just because you can does mot mean its s good idea"

I only try to tell people what works for me. It may or may not work for them - but I leave that up to them. Because what works for me might not work for them. And I stand to that "just because it can..." statement. Countless times I've seen people jump the gun and immediately attempt to max out on everything... and out of those times - 99% of them result in burnt cotton, damaged coils, or hot lips. Hot lips and burnt cotton usually results in me saying "Yup... bet you regret that decision huh?" I don't say it to be snide or rude - but it just leaves me feeling hopeless sometimes that someone had to play with something and earn the Darwin Award the hard way. I know, I can't save everyone... but damn people - just try to understand logic and reason every once in awhile.

@Bad Ninja - that picture you posted... I hate to say it, but it's cold, hard fact.

 

[Two_Bears]

I only try to tell people what works for me. It may or may not work for them - but I leave that up to them. Because what works for me might not work for them. And I stand to that "just because it can..." statement. Countless times I've seen people jump the gun and immediately attempt to max out on everything... and out of those times - 99% of them result in burnt cotton, damaged coils, or hot lips. Hot lips and burnt cotton usually results in me saying "Yup... bet you regret that decision huh?" I don't say it to be snide or rude - but it just leaves me feeling hopeless sometimes that someone had to play with something and earn the Darwin Award the hard way. I know, I can't save everyone... but damn people - just try to understand logic and reason every once in awhile.

@Bad Ninja - that picture you posted... I hate to say it, but it's cold, hard fact.

For your comment wishing they would understand logic and safety look oncr in a while

Have one thing to add ",FROM YOUR MOUTH TO GODS EARS"

 

[smokinGAVIN]

When I started vaping, I had a .6 dual coil build RDA running on 3.7 volts. It's the only setup that kept me satisfied and away form analogs. Sad to say it was the amount of vapor that satisfied me. What you see in my avatar was that exact setup. I didn't do it because it looked cool. I am too old to look cool but I am also too old to not worry about what analogs can do to me. I do agree that it is wrong that young non smokers are attracted to clouds but I don't agree with generalizing newbies who chase clouds are wrong. What I did and how I started was all because it was what made me stop smoking.