Do you deserve to Vape?
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Then I guess you shouldn't My self I care about the next bunch of people who are still smoking and those who will start smoking if vaping gets banned or limited to the expensive cigalikes the tobacco company wants us to use. So yea guess Im just silly like that I have this annoying habit of being able to look past the end of my own nose.
so darn sad and perhaps it may be true HOWEVER if 20 % of the population are smokers. and 20% is the base number that legislation and taxes cannot seem to drop below and if all these people consider vaping as an alternative there could be another 20 or 30 percent of the people who care about the smokers which then puts the folks who care at 50 % so DONT give an inch and fight taxation with every ounce of strength, China is more than happy to provide all the gear and all the juice. The economy needs vaping and vapers. my 2 cents worth
I think your are too conserved about smoking. Smoking is not cool anymore. Childern en masse are not attracted to smoking as they were earlier. But vaping... But subohm vaping...
I am deserving I'm a member of CASAA, answer CTA's as much as I can, and have donated. I am all for everyone's right to vape however and whenever they wish as long as they are courteous about it.
THIS!
I see people roll their eyes when I say "slippery slope", but it's so true. And the slope just keeps getting steeper...
In addition, I keep reading about BT lawsuits down, profits up, and they are confidently raising the price of cigs now. Plenty of money to still be made from BT.
It's already started on several things. Slowly over time they can convince the
masses that fast food is bad for you and people consuming fast food is the
reason our insurance premiums are so high, etc. etc. etc. Probably already
started with the ANTZ type preaching to those ordering a Big Mac with fries, ha.
I'm picking on fast food here but there are several avenues they're already started
going after. They like to keep us separated and judging each other, it keeps our
minds off what they (politicians) are doing (or not doing).
Maybe eating a salad and water all the time will be safe, otherwise no.
Oh keep smoking that other stuff, as the tax on that is pretty steep and
they like that money.
Its pretty much every thing just big brother as a whole. I know our miniscule plight as vapors dose not fall in to the same category as this but some of the things our gooberment dose reminds me of this.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
me 2 please!
imo vaping isn't going away in this lifetime. The number of vapers has grown from a few hundred thousand first-adopters to cross platform. That means tens of millions of users. Just in the US. And every day, there are new members from places all over the globe - Turkey, Argentina, Guam, New Zealand, and on and on. And while imo nicotine should only be taxed at the rate cigarettes are taxed, eliquid is only eliquid if you call it eliquid. Elsewhere it's just another flavored base aromatherapy liquid. Some retailers are already on that so you can buy it separately - with no extra tax. And, it looks like the pendulum has started it's swing back in Europe from too socialist to a re-emphasis on the inalienable right of individual liberties so they'll eventually catch up to the mind-think of the US. It would be ironic if it was vaping that lit the way.
The best answer I can give is yes ... I totally deserve the right to save myself from a lifetime of smoking
IMO, I don't believe it is possible to stop BG from handing the vape industry over to BT and taxing vaping like smoking. I am a supporter of CASAA and do wish something positive will happen.
Unfortunately this is all about money ... and there is too much money being lost for them not to hijack vaping
I really wish we had a couple of hundred companies like NJOY to help us win this fight.
Have not seen this translation before...
Surprizingly, pastor Niemoller was a Hitler supporter at first. Only when Hitler "came for religion" (means that he proclaimed that state is above religion) Niemoller became anti-Nazi. Interesting, isn't it? But he suffered a lot.
I had first seen this way back when they were banning smokes in a little restaurant ( there were two in the small community where I lived) every morning a number of older retired fishermen would meet for breakfast at one of the restaurants and tell tales and chat. The owner tried hard to delay but of course he could not- foolishness of government rules and laws and some of the bigger coffee shops in the city went to the trouble of installing enclosed smoke rooms -what a farce that was sadly we see in hind sight. I I recall a lovely Dutch gentleman who said it was the rest of the worlds treatment of Germany following the First World War that allowed Hitler to become the greatest hope of Recovery for Germany at least in the beginning so I don't think Niemoler was alone in his thinking at the very beginning of one of history's tragedies - sad
Do people deserve to vape absolutely and being involved in advocacy or donating to casaa or anything else doesn't make you more deserving of vaping in anyway just makes you involved and active for many people it was about stopping tobacco and anyone whose done that deserves to vape. As for the TPD in Europe yes it will be beaten in court but that won't be the end the people behind it will go back redraft and continue till they get what they want it's the EU way.
I wrote emails to ALL of my government representatives putting a curse upon them if the hurt vaping. what more can I do?
You will see bad things happen to the ones who vote against vaping.
You will see bad things happen to the ones who vote against vaping.
But if you just sit idly buy and do not even try to oppose those who would try to take away what you want why do you deserve it?
I kinda think the opposite if you dont stand up for what you want you deserve to lose it. I guess the part that frustrates me the most is its not that hared to have a voice and try to make a difference. All it takes is a little time and effort for the most part but people would rather do nothing or claim defeat before defeat happens and do nothing.
I think you are doing some of the things you can do, you vape, you contribute to this forum some ideas for other things that I can think of and that I hope to do a) write letters email and written ones, B) simply tell my story what ever that may be to anyone who asks,c) speak at a group I attend or a place I belong to,- word of mouth seems to have created miracles for vaping, become as informed as I have time for, encourage the new people to check out ecf and encourage them when I can, carry my Istick out and about with me and smile at people I see.
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