Do you think the e-cig industry will be more profitable than the tobacco industry?

[Turkish]

I was thinking about this briefly this morning. It may well be the case that my orders will dwindle over time as I become accustomed to a couple of particular flavors and devices, though it appears that the variety available in the e-cig market by far surpasses the tobacco industry and its brands and it doesn't seem that the variety in the former will decrease. Actually, I think it will increase; i.e. more flavors and devices, better quality, etc. And I think many e-smokers will continue spending on the products in part due to the variety available in that market; the other part is the risk/reward ratio of one cig over the other. Should the variety and product quality increase, I believe consumer interest and spending will increase.

In light of this, I am of the opinion that the e-cig industry will become quite the profitable venture; so much so that over time, should this industry maintain its growth, the tobacco industry may lose out because of it.

Any thoughts?

 

[deusXmchna]

I hate to say this....
but I think we're gonna get shut down eventually.
The forces aligned against us seem to be growing rather than dwindling.
The larger we become, the more $$ we take out of the pocket of the PharmaCo's.
PharmaCo's are buying more and more politicians, and spending more $$ on them.
And thanks to the Supreme Court, corporations operate like individuals now, when it comes to campaign finance contributions.

We are David fighting a mighty Goliath, and in real life, the big guy wins. Especially the big guy with the unlimited pocketbook.

Welcome to the Plutocracy! 8-o

 

[Cail]

It depends a lot on what happens legally. If the FDA gets ahold of vaping to the extent of cigarettes expect most flavors to go away. They would likely ban everything but unflavored and perhaps tobacco flavored as they are doing with cigarettes. I wouldn't be surprised if they would try to regulate PVs as well. Make sure they don't look cool so kids will stop using them like they did with flavored cigarettes.

Funniest thing about that is that they only people I've known that smoked flavored cigarettes were older.

 

[Rosa]

I think that vaping is the future of smoking. I think that at this point it's too fiddly for most smokers to be interested in it and the ones that look like cigarettes don't work well and that's another deterrent. I think once the technology develops units that are easier to use and less fiddly that it will take over the industry and people will be switching left and right. If you still smoke people will look at you like your phone has a cord.

Someday they'll sell the ciggy look-alikes in 10 packs in a pack sized PCC and the cartomizers will last all day for reals... that's all it would take to really take off. And the 10 pack will cost like $30-$40 (less than a carton of smokes anyway), and there will be e-cig stores where you can buy parts/cartos/juice at a 5% discount when you bring in your old parts/cartos.

 

[Rosa]

Pig Pharma is in a prime position to be creating a lot of e-liquids for sale over the counter (in a locked case like the cigarettes) if they want to, that would be good money for them when e-cigs become mainstream, and they have all the ingredients already.

Big tobacco can make tons of nicotine for juice mixing if they want to.

They just need to able to adapt and quit fighting it.

 

[Adverb]

I don't see why one of the major players in this, either big pharm or big tobacco hasn't jumped in on this.

Can you imagine PV's design and funtionality if there was a million-dollar R&D department working on this?

 

[H Niemand]

I agree that one of the biggies will get involved and start taking profit. Seems the industry isn't big enough yet for them. As for shutting it down, I don't think so.

 

[Turkish]

DeusXmchna and Cail have valid points; our current political atmosphere operates that way, and big pharma has shown thus far to be indeed relentless in their pursuit to shut it down or at least hamper its growth. But Rosa and Adverb are equally correct in that i. e-smoking is surely the future of smoking in general and ii. it would increase the quality and popularity of e-cigs and be more profitable for everyone. But big pharma seems more intent at the moment in knocking out the competitor than adjusting to the competition in future. hmm..

 

[Rosa]

I don't see why one of the major players in this, either big pharm or big tobacco hasn't jumped in on this.

Can you imagine PV's design and funtionality if there was a million-dollar R&D department working on this?

Like the patent that RJ Reynolds has applied for? :

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eynolds-e-cigarette-patent-june-1-2010-a.html

 

[PKZap27]

My thoughts!

I don't want anyone to take my choice to vape away from me!

 

[PKZap27]

Big tobacco can make tons of nicotine for juice mixing if they want to.

They just need to able to adapt and quit fighting it.

I would have to say that I want Big Tobacco to stay out of my E-Liquid!

Look what they put in Cigarettes!

 

[Turkish]

Wow, n1 Rosa.. isn't that a parallel i.e. infringement? I thought Hon Lik (the chinese pharmacist) brought the first patent on it in 2003. hmm..

And I agree with PKZap27, like I think we all do.

 

[Rosa]

I would have to say that I want Big Tobacco to stay out of my E-Liquid!

Look what they put in Cigarettes!

LOL, good point.

My hope is that they just provide the actual nicotine, not the finished product.

 

[Turkish]

That is a good point: I too wouldn't trust their liquids.

 

[Rosa]

That is a good point: I too wouldn't trust their liquids.

On the other hand, as long as we still have the choice to buy from our trusted vendors, what do I care if they add junk to their e-liquid - I don't have to vape it. And it would still be a step in the right direction, eliminating the smoke and tar etc.

Maybe it would be relatively safe, like swedish snus, all the maoi's and no tar.

 

[Turkish]

I agree.. another good point. Just hope they don't choke it to the point that only their liquid/flavors are available as "approved." You know, I haven't tried snus now that you mention it, how is it?

My point I guess is that at this rate, the e-cig industry could be well-positioned to make good profits and take a significant portion of the current tobacco industry market share. I don't know, this pg/vg banana is making me high.. lol

 

[Bamrz]

I'll guarantee that if the tobacco industry gets involved, the prices are going to increase exponentially!

 

[PKZap27]

Right now I feel we have it pretty good!

Enjoy it while you can!

I feel that the more that the Government, BT, BP & the FDA are involved the worse it's going to get.

I can't see it getting any better with the amount of money that the Government, BT, BP & the FDA stands to miss out on.

Just don't take away my option to Vape!

 

[Rosa]

You know, I haven't tried snus now that you mention it, how is it?

I haven't had the need to try it (vaping works well for me), but to be clear it's SWEDISH snus that's good, not American snus like the stuff Camel put's out. I think it's supposed to have a dry malty flavor.


Snus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
quote:
"The Swedish government has studied this stuff to death, and to date, there is no compelling evidence that it has any adverse health consequences. ... Whatever they eventually find out, it is dramatically less dangerous than smoking."

"It is hypothesized that the widespread use of snus by Swedish men (estimated at 30% of Swedish male ex-smokers), displacing tobacco smoking and other varieties of snuff, is responsible for the incidence of tobacco-related mortality in men being significantly lower in Sweden than any other European country; in contrast, since women traditionally are less likely to use snus, their rate of tobacco-related deaths in Sweden can be compared to that of other European countries."

 

[Carless]

If you still smoke people will look at you like your phone has a cord.

I'm gonna quote you on this Rosa. That's priceless!