Speaking of exponential price increases and government involvement, just wait until they start taxing the holy hell out of it.
Do you think the e-cig industry will be more profitable than the tobacco industry?
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Speaking of exponential price increases and government involvement, just wait until they start taxing the holy hell out of it.
Don't you realize that the nicotine comes from tobacco? Including Wisconsin chewing tobacco leaf (Johnson Creek Smoke Juice).
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The anti-smokers deliberately commit scientific fraud to falsely blame tobacco for diseases that are really caused by infection. Smokers and passive smokers - and vapers who were once smokers - are more likely to have been exposed to those infections, for socioeconomic reasons. The anti-smokers' bogus studies are based on lifestyle questionnaires, so they're cynically designed to exploit these class differences. And, the health fascists will use the same scientific fraud to hate-monger against vaping, unless people get wise to it.
And, all their so-called "independent" reports were ring-led by the same guy, Jonathan M. Samet, including the Surgeon General Reports, the EPA report, the IARC report, and the ASHRAE report, and he's now the chairman of the FDA Committee on Tobacco. He and his politically privileged clique exclude all the REAL scientists from their echo chamber. That's how they make their reports "unanimous!"
http://www.smokershistory.com/SGlies.html
Yeah, if the tobacco industry gets involved, they're going to tax us like none other.
That's exactly what will happen, and all these newbie juice vendors popping up every day will have restrictions too, they won't be able to just mix in their kitchen and laugh their way to the bank forever
Don't we have rights against unfair taxation?? Isn't that something the American people take to the Supreme Court?
That's exactly what will happen, and all these newbie juice vendors popping up every day will have restrictions too, they won't be able to just mix in their kitchen and laugh their way to the bank forever
But I will be able to mix it up in MY kitchen LOL!
Toacco companies make about 25 cents a pack profit. New York state makes $4.50 a pack. Be careful who you accuse of what.
That's right. And of all those hundreds of billions of dollars they've looted from us, not one cent has ever been used to protect smokers' rights. It goes into the pockets of anti-smokers to spread lies and defamations and pass smoking bans. And they share it with their fellow legislators to use on their own pet projects, in order to buy their support.
For the government to commit fraud to deprive us of our liberties is automatically a violation of our Constitutional rights to the equal protection of the laws, just as much as if it purposely threw innocent people in prison. And for the government to spread lies about phony smoking dangers is terrorism, no different from calling in phony bomb threats.
And, the so-called tobacco lobbyists have been in cahoots with the American Cancer Society from the very beginning. In Wisconsin, they're the most powerful lobby in the state, and cronies of both the Republican and Democratic governors.
http://www.smokershistory.com/tobacco.html
I believe that e-cig supplies (excluding the nicotine) will fall under the same category as things that are sold in head shops. That whole "drug delivery device" argument is bogus... a simple piece of rolling paper is a drug delivery device but they can't ban paper.
The only component they can regulate is the actual nicotine. So what if all you can buy is flavorless juice?... as long as there are flavorings people will mix their own.
The govt. is going to have a hard time regulating e-cigs because ingenious people will always find a work-around.
The only component they can regulate is the actual nicotine. So what if all you can buy is flavorless juice?... as long as there are flavorings people will mix their own.
The govt. is going to have a hard time regulating e-cigs because ingenious people will always find a work-around.
This is the paradox that will probably be bad either way. If a giant like big tobacco or big pharma doesn't get on board with making/selling ecigs or ejuice, there is the risk of them being banned. Too much money flowing to the government. If they've been able to keep cigs on the shelves this long, then they obviously have the ability to dictate gov. policy. And let's not even discuss all the blatant examples of big pharma influencing politicians. At least big tobacco only has one product to kill us quicker.
However, once they get involved, the whole deal will change. All these great small vendors will eventually go by the wayside, regulations and taxes will force the costs to skyrocket. Innovation on new products will slow dramatically, and forget about buying all those great flavors you love now.
And as much as I would love everyone to make the change to ecigs, the other paradox is that, the more popular these get the more likely above scenario is to play out. Once there is a big enough market, I can assure you big tobacco will be licking their chops to get in on it unless they can just get them banned now while it is a relatively miniscule market compared to theirs.
I hope it stays just like it is now. There is a steady stream of new technologies to choose from, and so many reputable vendors to choose from. I just won't be suprised to see the whole thing come crashing down.
However, once they get involved, the whole deal will change. All these great small vendors will eventually go by the wayside, regulations and taxes will force the costs to skyrocket. Innovation on new products will slow dramatically, and forget about buying all those great flavors you love now.
And as much as I would love everyone to make the change to ecigs, the other paradox is that, the more popular these get the more likely above scenario is to play out. Once there is a big enough market, I can assure you big tobacco will be licking their chops to get in on it unless they can just get them banned now while it is a relatively miniscule market compared to theirs.
I hope it stays just like it is now. There is a steady stream of new technologies to choose from, and so many reputable vendors to choose from. I just won't be suprised to see the whole thing come crashing down.
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cant wait for the day i can run up to the corner store and buy some new attys or a 14500 batt. lol
LOL! Reading this part of your post sounds exactly like the first few years of Personal Computers. Most people never thought they would ever really take off.. after all, at the time all they really did was some minor calculations. It didn't make sense that regular people would end up wanting to buy that technology for their personal use, especially when much of it could be built using parts from radio shack.
Ideas were freely shared and it was mostly just a fun and exciting hobby that was growing pretty quickly. IBM was never really worried about the nerdy guys who were messing around in their garages in Palo Alto with a bunch of electronics part and making "personal computers" LAFF, they said.
It's a grainy type of tobacco that they roll up and stick under the top lip, makes them look like they got hit in the mouth. Prolonged use can rot a hole through the lip into the nasal cavity. Not a great product. I lived in Norway for 6 years and tried it. You get a good nicotine buzz but I would suggest trying the snus that comes in little T bags so you don't get it all in your mouth when you first try it.
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Yeah but PCs were never under fire from the FDA, and there was never a concerted effort on the part of the government to ban computers. Just sayin. All it would take is a court to label these "drug delivery devices" and next thing you know only pharmaceutical companies can make them.
But, I hope you're right. I'll try to be more optimistic
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