Do you think E- Cig will make real cigarettes obsolete ?

[Roxxette]

Not a chance , if you think most people care about health issues with cigs you are wrong lol so scratch that plus there always will be love to cigs specially from the young people scene.

Who wants to quit smoking just do it and move forward , what whe do is just change a habit/addiction to another one.


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[TravTech]

vaping (when done right with the proper gear) is such a far superior experience to smoking cigarettes. It has the potential to possibly someday make cigarettes obsolete.

But with all the marketing, government involvement, and smokers being such hardheads, we'll probably not be around to see it.

 

[losthasher]

I can't imagine e-cigs ever being anything but a niche product. I've been smoking them for half a year now, and the thing I've noticed is that I still have to hide when I smoke. People see smoke and freak out... oh, forget trying to prove a point by smoking in a restaurant. I'd be beaten. Socially, e-cigs are the exact same as regular cigarettes.
Plus, the learning curve on e-cigs is WAY too high to get people to switch. It was so frustrating when I started that I make sure to warn the people who ask me about switching. Sure, I can hand them enough info, but even that's too much for most people. I guess what I'm saying is that regular cigarettes are way too easy compared with the electronic kind. It's a vice. Instant gratification is way better.

 

[hairball]

Do you think E- Cig will make real cigarettes obsolete ?
At least here in the USA I tend to think so as in time I figure if enough people go to E-Cig then they will not be making enough money off that astronomically high tax.

I think the tobacco industry will still be around though pipe , cigar and smokeless.
E-Cig has all the advantages and is less expensive unless someone is smoking a lower tax class tobacco and with filters I suppose it runs about the same I think , role your own paper type is still cheaper though but still how many people can smoke like that.
Who knows they might even make real cigarettes illegal here .
Of course I suppose that might make the prices of E-Cig and accessories go up or maybe go down.
What you think?

Ecigs are in the process of getting a huge tax placed on them. You need to watch the legislature/legal section on the forum.

As for the government ever outlawing cigarettes, no. They would lose too much money. Will people quit buying them and switch to an ecig? Again, no because too many people are skeptical about ecigs and think they don't work.

 

[stebai]

Well ecigs have been around for a few years now and they are still as the poster above puts it a "niche market". The numbers are growing but no where near at the rate as what smoking is. I live in the UK, i can pop out no matter where i am and buy a packet of cigarrettes, i cannot say the same about anything ecig related

 

[E Cool]

Not a chance , if you think most people care about health issues with cigs you are wrong lol so scratch that plus there always will be love to cigs specially from the young people scene.

Who wants to quit smoking just do it and move forward , what whe do is just change a habit/addiction to another one.




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If you are saying young people would find preference in real cigarettes over E- Cig’s I have to disagree .
E-Cigs are cleaner more attractive and come in a far more numerous variety of unique flavors , right down to chocolate , ice cream and who knows probably candy an attraction for the way to young and that might even be a weakness in the long run as nobody wants 8 year old’s running around with E-Cigs.

As for teens they though the idea was originally conceived in 1963 the modern E-Cig is a product of their generation and E-Cigs have in my opinion an almost infinite innovative potential.

 

[E Cool]

I can't imagine e-cigs ever being anything but a niche product. I've been smoking them for half a year now, and the thing I've noticed is that I still have to hide when I smoke. People see smoke and freak out... oh, forget trying to prove a point by smoking in a restaurant. I'd be beaten. Socially, e-cigs are the exact same as regular cigarettes.
Plus, the learning curve on e-cigs is WAY too high to get people to switch. It was so frustrating when I started that I make sure to warn the people who ask me about switching. Sure, I can hand them enough info, but even that's too much for most people. I guess what I'm saying is that regular cigarettes are way too easy compared with the electronic kind. It's a vice. Instant gratification is way better.

Funny I have been walking through stores smoking them and nobody has said a single thing yet,
Maybe it has to do with geography , you are from the US and so am I but I am in Georgia.

 

[E Cool]

Ecigs are in the process of getting a huge tax placed on them. You need to watch the legislature/legal section on the forum.

As for the government ever outlawing cigarettes, no. They would lose too much money. Will people quit buying them and switch to an ecig? Again, no because too many people are skeptical about ecigs and think they don't work.

That is so sad about the taxes.
If they really cared about peoples health like they claim they do they would be trying to help the E-Cig instead of hindering it .
I guess it’s all about the money.

 

[caffeinator]

Yeah, where you live matters as far as opinion goes.

We actually have vape stores and a lounge here, but the way the local media have demonized tobacco during and after the 2008 2005 statewide ban, it's not very friendly.

Actually, it's more likely that people around here would think it's paraphernalia as we have a lot of "those" issues locally.

 

[E Cool]

This is not a thread about real cigarettes being banned...this is about them becoming obsolete.

I believe in time, and a short time at that, the analog will become obsolete. Just look at the past 25 years. I remember when my parents could smoke while walking through Walmart, the grocery store, airplanes, and even IN the hospital. Slowly over time, they have legislated and taxed THE biggest industry down to a shell of it's former self. Now, you're lucky if you can smoke in your own vehicle, much less anywhere outside.

15 years ago, 90% of the people I knew were smokers. Today, I bet less than 10% of the people I know are smokers. Most have quit because of cost, health, lack of places allowed for smoking, etc.


The analog is going away more rapidly every day.

I agree!!
And not being able to smoke in private places reminds me of the Big Brother thought police in the movie 1987.
The next thing you know they will be forcing all of us to wear a seat belt.
It is as though if it is bad for you that gives them every right to control.

 

[E Cool]

Yeah, where you live matters as far as opinion goes.

We actually have vape stores and a lounge here, but the way the local media have demonized tobacco during and after the 2008 statewide ban, it's not very friendly.

Actually, it's more likely that people around here would think it's paraphernalia as we have a lot of "those" issues locally.

Well you know what , I thought about that I mean it could be altered in design and used for drugs.
Scary thought.

 

[Bullette the Cowdog]

Reply to OP''s question in title of this thread:
YEP, I do.
I envision the only people smoking cigarettes will be the same ones who currently use an abacus instead of a computer. Haha

 

[PirateVaper]

If real cigarrettes disappear, e cig will disappear too because e cig are made for nicotine addicts like us, and e cig are not recommended for people who has never touched a real smoke.

 

[caffeinator]

If real cigarrettes disappear, e cig will disappear too because e cig are made for nicotine addicts like us, and e cig are not recommended for people who has never touched a real smoke.

I agree with that, but there is also the area of physical versus psychological and emotional addictions.

People don't start smoking just because...they always have a push towards it. It can be pure curiosity or escapism, stress relief, prior peer or family usage and I'd wager that sometimes people are just bored.

I know the majority of my habit is just that; habitual. It's relaxing, it goes perfectly with drinking whether it's coffee or alcohol and is handy when I'm on the computer for long periods too. I don't smoke socially because I don't really socialize anymore. I know this will sound bad perhaps, but as a middle-aged bachelor on a fixed income it's one of the few small pleasures I have.

Vaping isn't all that new, but it's mainstream appeal is. At least in the USA, tobacco is just a source of political ferver, tax revenue and ongoing profit nowadays. It's a win-win as the Gov't and Corporations can play with the antis and the pros and make money off both sides. The more they spend on anti-smoking campaigns, the more it's hated and the more the people will allow it to be taxed. It's bloody brilliant.

Now, while vaping not only fills all of those needs and wants, it provides something far greater: a genuine hobby with a built in social group.

Sure, some folks collect lighters or debate RYO stuff...but IMHO, it's not a true hobby like Vaping is. We have the endless technical side of the PV's themselves, the multitude of flavors that smoking will never have, and of course, the health and cleanliness benefits.

Humans like having the routine, the initial "cool" factor socially, and the relaxation of smoking. Vaping provides all of that while not causing damage to the user or others. It is the smart choice.

 

[WCSR]

That is so sad about the taxes.
If they really cared about peoples health like they claim they do they would be trying to help the E-Cig instead of hindering it .
I guess it’s all about the money.

Gotta understand one thing... NO ONE, especially the government, cares about anyone else's health. This is the "me" generation pushing to rid the country of tobacco, nicotine, soda pop, trans fats, etc. No one is doing anything for the welfare of others. This is personally about the individual.


The government honestly couldn't care less if smoking was gone or not. While the healthcare costs for smokers is probably high, it's very far from the top of their lists in terms of what costs them money. They've got bigger things to worry about. The only reason anti-smoking laws are passed are because some people don't have jack s*** to do with their day, other than whine about what other people are doing, and where they're doing it.

Yeah, where you live matters as far as opinion goes.

We actually have vape stores and a lounge here, but the way the local media have demonized tobacco during and after the 2008 statewide ban, it's not very friendly.

Actually, it's more likely that people around here would think it's paraphernalia as we have a lot of "those" issues locally.

Was it in 2008? I lived in WA in 2006-2007...and even then, you couldn't smoke anywhere.

 

[Dozent]

I fink yes. Good money! Way not?

 

[caffeinator]

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Was it in 2008? I lived in WA in 2006-2007...and even then, you couldn't smoke anywhere.

Ah, you're right. IDK why I had that year in my head.

It was 2005: Initiative 901: Smoking ban sails to victory - seattlepi.com

 

[Justin66]

There'll be a place for both. I think it's a mental thing: some of the people I've turned on to ecigs stuck with it, but just as many don't. Some don't like the hassle, some "don't get it" (seriously, they say that) because they can't get past that it isn't always like smoking.

My biggest concern is what would happen if the government found some way to tax ecigs and its parephernalia like they do real cigs? Aside from the health benefits, the cost savings is the biggest pro. If there's no cost savings, which path does an individual take? Stick with cigs, switch to ecigs, or try other methods to quit smoking?

 

[caffeinator]

My biggest concern is what would happen if the government found some way to tax ecigs and its parephernalia like they do real cigs? Aside from the health benefits, the cost savings is the biggest pro. If there's no cost savings, which path does an individual take? Stick with cigs, switch to ecigs, or try other methods to quit smoking?

Well, ya have to balance out the cost versus the benefit. When the Gov't raised RYO tobacco taxes 800% to give the industry back their lost revenues over pre-mades, I didn't stop doing it as it was still cheap enough and gave me a better product.

My mind compares it like this: "Organic/Natural" food is arguably tastier, more nutritious, and with less risk from chemicals and pesticides than the Agribusiness variety of foods. Likewise, vaping has magnitudes of added value and health advantages compared to analogs.

 

[DedTV]

So now, when something is declared by the court to be a tobacco product, it faces a double-edged sword. It is protected from an outright ban, but it can be heavily regulated.

But the regulation side of the sword is sharpened by the negative sentiment towards tobacco. If E-Cigs are ever proven safe and can shake the stigma of being a "tobacco product" the imposition of heavy taxes and regulation will be much more difficult than it has become for actual tobacco.
If they aren't as stuck on maintaining their business model as the RIAA and MPAA have been and readily adopt ecigs, big tobacco will still be quite happy as they have the market cornered on tobacco and thus they have the Nicotine market cornered as well as apparently, synthesizing it is exponentially more expensive than extracting it.

Whether ecigs ever supplant analogs depends on numerous factors. But the main one is getting some science behind them. If science can prove they aren't (relatively) dangerous, then them eventually supplanting tobacco is possible. But I doubt they'll ever completely eliminate analogs as many people simply like smoking. But it could be reduced to the same market size as pipe tobacco and cigars one day.

Well you know what , I thought about that I mean it could be altered in design and used for drugs. Scary thought.

Vaporizers for that have already been around for decades.
Ecigs are unsuitable for that as they do not normally reach high enough temperatures and the substances involved foul up and clog Ecig hardware.
People have already tried it to see if it could be done. And it can be. But it's absolutely pointless and extremely inefficient. Plus, it's not odorless like nicotine so the vapor still gives away that there's a drastic difference.

Right now people make that connection with ecigs because ecigs aren't recognizable to the masses so anything that makes "smoke" that isn't a cigarette tends to automatically be associated with other things as they're the only things that use "strange looking devices" to imbibe them.

In time that will likely change and the knowledge to recognize the difference between an ecig and paraphernalia will become much more widespread.