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Do you vape juice from China, or only from USA?
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I used to vape some chinese liquids but I had a few "off" tastes on few of them, thought better of it, then decided to go US/UK only. I used to use Johnson Creek a lot but the flavors are too heavy and leave my chest feeling tight. I started to use unflavored/lightly flavored juice from Innovapor (UltraPure) but that stuff tastes disgusting. The only word I can think of to describe the taste is "pink." Someone else described it as "wet chicken." I've got an order in to Intellicig for ECOPure which, is produced in the UK. I'm hoping it will be what I settle on for a while.
Unless someone is using a really rank batch of nicotine, that's about the last thing that'll determine how a particular juice will taste. Absent contaminants, nicotine pretty much tastes like nicotine. If JC flavors were too heavy, you'll probably like the European juices. Not because of anything to do with the nicotine, but because most European juices generally tend to be lighter in flavor. It's just a cultural thing. Americans prefer the full bodied taste and Europeans generally prefer the lighter, more delicate flavors. JC is known for their "heavy" flavors. That's one thing you hear from Blu vapers who use words like "juicy" and "luscious" a lot.
This is what they say, not that they extract it themselves but it is extracted in NC.
"All of RTS Vapes' nicotine liquid originates from flue-cured tobacco grown in North Carolina. For your information, North Carolina produces more flue-cured tobacco than any other state in the United States. With our unemployment rate near 10% in North Carolina we decided to try a United States solution to inconsistent Chinese nicotine liquid.
The tobacco leafs are handpicked by North Carolinians. The tobacco leaves are delivered to a North Carolina laboratory for nicotine extraction. We are proud to state all of our tests have shown from 99.22% to 99.93% pure nicotine.
Our pure nicotine liquid is then reduced by North Carolinians to less potent strengths using Propylene Glycol USP Grade or Vegetable Glycerin USP Grade."
Liquid Nicotine
I'm pretty sure that is the place one of the places I asked "country of origin" sent me to.
I am finding this all kind of amusing.
When I found ecigs in April '09, there was a Janty Stick, the Screwdriver, the Prodigy was coming to life and the modder's forum.
A Pen style or mini starter kit was $70. Those were the 801, 901, 401, and soon after the 510.
There were only a handfull of vendors and E-Liquid was $1.00 a ML.
I bet they miss those days!
But there were also several chinese vendors and it was easy to order what you wanted at a discount if you were willing to wait.
In mid to late '09 with a few cable commercials this place bacame swamped with newbies who made an order from china, saw the profit margin, set up a website, and became vendors.
There was more competition and prices came down.
It was OK for awhile when they were just reselling chinese goods. Shipping was faster so it was convenient. They pitched the US VENDOR model. Then they started mixing their own concoctions....
Tractor Supply PG... Who knew what flavoring? I found it scary.
I worry much less about the nicotine than I do the bases and flavorings that are being used.
As some posted earlier, a pretty website does not a reliable vendor make.
When I found ecigs in April '09, there was a Janty Stick, the Screwdriver, the Prodigy was coming to life and the modder's forum.
A Pen style or mini starter kit was $70. Those were the 801, 901, 401, and soon after the 510.
There were only a handfull of vendors and E-Liquid was $1.00 a ML.
I bet they miss those days!
But there were also several chinese vendors and it was easy to order what you wanted at a discount if you were willing to wait.
In mid to late '09 with a few cable commercials this place bacame swamped with newbies who made an order from china, saw the profit margin, set up a website, and became vendors.
There was more competition and prices came down.
It was OK for awhile when they were just reselling chinese goods. Shipping was faster so it was convenient. They pitched the US VENDOR model. Then they started mixing their own concoctions....
Tractor Supply PG... Who knew what flavoring? I found it scary.
I worry much less about the nicotine than I do the bases and flavorings that are being used.
As some posted earlier, a pretty website does not a reliable vendor make.
I would prefer to support American innovation. I just don't see any point in paying a US vendor a premium to resell a chinese product, unless they make it really convenient for me. Madvapes does that for me, but I think even they may be straying from their business model.
I always got headaches from the cheap China juice, and some American Juice as well. But ALL my juice comes from Nite Lite Vapors and is made in the USA. It's not a patriotic thing for me, as I do a lot of business with China vendors (not E-Cig related), but I don't drive Asian cars or vape Asian Liquids. Well, I guess it is a little patriotic because I don't believe in supporting the Asian automobile industry, but the juice things is more the flavor and the quality that I don't dig.
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The answer was the same back then, Johnson Creek. Although I'm not sure if they had "all US sourced" then. I'm fairly sure they didn't because seeing that on their website was one of the things that talked me into trying vaping again.
Exactly. If there is something bad in a juice, the chances are that it was in the base or the flavoring, not the nicotine.
If Chinese nic labs were so bad, why does almost all the nic used by Pharma come from China?
Furthermore, there are probaby 10X more vapers in China than the U.S.. I don't hear about them dropping like flies. Do you suppose they import their juice from the U.S.?
Just curious, Did you trust American Tobacco Companies and how did that work out?
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Did you trust the goverment oversight that permitted those American Tobacco Companies to add ammonia to cigarettes so the chemicals in the smoke would cross your blood brain barrier faster, giving you that HIT that increased your addiction?
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I will happily use Chinese liquid, though I usually have to tinker with the flavor myself to make it good.
I'm curious why what other people think of Chinese juice matters so much to you and 3 or 4 other people here.
Oh, Oh, I want to answer that.
It's because, along with batteries, juice has become a bludgeon that the antis use to beat vaping on the head. It will be the thing that gets regulated the strictest and has the most potential to make vaping difficult and expensive in the future. The more unfounded and irrational fear that gets spread around, the more ammunition the antis have to make our vaping lives miserable.
Since the Chinese make probably 90% of all the ejuice sold in the world, and Americans are a small minority of vapers, and people aren't dropping dead all over the world from sucking up all that Chinese juice, it stands to reason that all this talk about Chinese juice being bad is nothing but xenophobic nationalism run amok. And exaggerating and fabricating nonsense about contamination and subpar quality is not doing the vaping scene any favors. All we will end up doing is prompting the FDA to impose unnecessarily harsh and restrictive regulations on ejuice. Ironically, if we keep it up, a day may come when only the Chinese juice companies, and BP, are big enough to meet the FDA standards and still charge less than $10/ml.
I buy from SmokelessImage, and I think their juices are from China. They seem to be good quality to me.
They might well have their juice custom made in China, the way Blu has theirs custom made by JC. You can't buy the same recipe on your own.
People seem to forget that Americans are a small minority of vapers worldwide. Different countries have different taste preferences. A lot of Europeans like their juices more delicately flavored. Asians like theirs a little different than Americans or Europeans, etc. When you are a giant company, making something for a worldwide market, you have to come up with something that will appeal to the average vaper. That's not easy to do. If Dekang only made juice for Americans, I'm sure it would taste entirely different. Whoever makes juice for Smokeless Image is making it for Americans. The Chinese are perfectly capable of making juice that Americans like, but they can't cater exclusively to American tastes.
I don't claim to think the Nic itself from the China juice is bad, I actually think it's the cheaper flavorings that cause my headaches. I don't think they are "dangerous" for the normal person, but I'm very sensitive to certain things and when something has, for lack of a better phrase, cheap, artificial flavorings, it gives me a headache quick. Everything I've ever tried from China has done that, therefore, no China juice for me.
Correction, juice will be the ONLY thing that gets regulated and even then it will only be the nicotine juice.
Not trusting China business is hardly unfounded. I would love to trust China on all things so I could buy the illegally imported honey to make mead cheap but honey imports weren't blocked for no reason. That's just one example that you probably didn't know about.
I would love to buy cheap juice but I can't because I can't trust the Chinese to produce something I chronically ingest.
Who is exaggerating and fabricating nonsense about contamination and subpar quality? I see you make the claim of how much US juice is actually Chinese with nothing to back that up. This very thread has claims about US companies mixing in their bathrooms. Seems to me you're the ones coming up with unfounded claims bent on destroying good people's reputations by instilling irrational fears that aren't based on fact. Telling the FDA that US companies are mixing in unclean conditions and lying about their product is what hurts vaping, not me saying I don't trust Chinese businesses.
The more people say they don't trust Chinese juice the more US or EU companies will buy their supplies from US or EU companies. The more those juice makers buy, the more companies will make those supplies. It does nothing to harm vaping. In fact the more it avoids imports the more it makes vaping harder to ban.
If you want to take away the fear club from the antis it is you who should stop making unfounded claims about US companies and encourage more of them to buy their goods from US sources like those who don't trust Chinese sources are doing.
It's not people's fear that is the problem, it's people's lies told in order to attack those with the fears that is the problem.
Johnson Creek makes juice to as strict of conditions as can be and they are no more money than any other US supplied company.
That is another unfounded claim and exaggeration.
So what is the real reason?
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