Does anyone truly get a "cool, clean" taste from their device?

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I only have two devices that provide really cool clean taste and they are at opposite ends of the price spectrum.

My ProVari+ZAP is pretty much designed for cool and clean, and does it very well. But my Halo Triton ($65 non-vv starter kit) provides a great cool clean vape.

If you did a blind taste-test of the two, you might actually prefer the Triton based on taste alone.
 

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    Taste is so subjective that it's impossible to say what is the only way to do it for someone else. I found my "perfect vape" a long time ago, long before there were RDA/RBA's and sub ohm or micro coils, or even decent clearos for that matter. The trick has been to stay up with the development curve of devices, and understand how to replicate that same "perfect vape". Right now I have 4 very different PV's sitting on my desk, all 4 with different types of heads on them, and all 4 dialed in to MY "perfect vape". Just understand, they are dialed in to satisfy ME, and no one else.

    The bottom line is that there is no shortage of ways to find your perfect vape, but there is only one way that you will ever find them. And, we all know what that is. How we use whatever we use is the archway to the perfect vape.
     
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    AnabolicDudee

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    I currently am using an Igo W4 (my patriot is on the way, will let you know how that performs) and I get a perfect, non harsh taste. I have my holes drilled out to 3/32nd and do a 4 fold with 2mm silica, 3/4 wrap with 28 g kanthal. I vape Savannah by Uncle Junk's and the hit is soooo smooth. The vape doesn't get any better and I get the best clouds
     
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    Lastlokean

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    OP if money is an issue for you... Why are you paying mountain vapors a premium on a few dollar clearomizer to build you a $.01 hemp wick/coil?

    I really get an ideal experience from a cotton microcoil on a similar type of device.... I have no idea what mountain vapors pre-made coil looks like or gauge wire they are using... It comes down to more than just resistance. The same resistance of different gauge wire covers different surface area. You really just gotta find your own 'sweet spot'.

    The device you have is actually quite easy to rebuild...
    Here is a video I just tossed together for you: Clearomizer Head Rebuild - Cotton Wick - YouTube

    Its not 100% identical device... But the concept is the same.

    Its not actually how I prefer my device... Its for a friend... If it was for me it would be 7/8 wraps of 32 gauge nichrome. But she likes her vape on the light and flavorful side (so about a 1.6 ohm coil of 32 gauge...)
     

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    From my personal experience, the hardest thing about going from smoking to vaping was figuring out what I like. Vaping is not smoking, and if we are seeking to duplicate that experience, FAIL.

    There are SO many variables that make up one's ideal vape...looking at your posts, I can see that you've finally narrowed down the kind of vape you like. Cool, flavorful, velvety.

    In my opinion, and experience, you are only going to get that from a well made RBA. I would further recommend a well made VV mod to go underneath it. I think you are still trying to find your "sweet spot", and this will help you get there.

    Personally, I would not buy a clone. I would rather give the money to the people that designed these in the first place, truly care about the materials, manufacturing tolerances, and us as customers.

    My specific recommendation to you is to save your money and buy a Kayfun Lite Plus. You will have to order it on the internet. Probably from a European seller like intaste.de or directly from the manufacturer, svoemesto.de. This is a $100 atty.

    It has the screw top posts you said you liked, and is the easiest RBA I have to rebuild. Also, adjustable airflow, and the air intake is on the side, rather than the 510 thread, which I really like. I run mine with a simple micro coil and cotton ball wick. You don't have to recoil all the time...I've been running the same coil for 3 weeks, changing the wick and dry burning every other tankful (the tank holds 4.5ml). The only other thing you will need is some Kanthal wire, and a cotton ball.

    The reason I recommend a VV mod is 1) you can adjust your voltage, and 2) check the resistance of the coil you just built. I have a Provari Mini, and will probably last the rest of my life.

    There are specific threads for the KFL+ on ECF. You will find some folks are into lots of exotic, complicated, sub ohm, cloud chasing, throat scorching builds. Keep it simple. Micro coil. Cotton. Cool, flavorful, delicious.

    Buy the best, and only cry once.
     

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    Found that Device in your Thread title:
    Does anyone truly get a "cool, clean" taste from their device?

    Well actually I built it.
    8X Cartomizer Tank
    Killer 705 (clone) insert from Rainbow Heaven
    N-R-N 1.8ohm coil on a doubled 2mm silica(yep silica) wick. Final reading 2.0ohms (ready wire)
    Nemesis 18350 kicked @ 8w
    DIY Rwhy4 9mg 50/50 mix
    Killer set to 60% open(approx.)

    Clean unhindered flavor with nice vapor
    Warm and moist with a short Drip tip
    Cool and wet with a long drip tip.

    Some times you just have to get off the lazy ..... and find a way. :laugh:
     
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    Thunderball

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    I also love RBA/RDA.

    The IGO series are great. I love my IGO-T's.

    I am quite fond of the Kayfun type RBAs as well. I have tried many, these are the best for me. I am gonna try The Rose when I get a chance.



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    100% Agree .....your not just A-Lion here !! :D

    Kayfuns and their clones bring it to a new level for me........ I wouldnt give you .26 cents for any of the mass produced clearo's..bottom or top feeders with mass produced coils/wicks. If I cant build it, I dont want it....and I can build a coil that will last for weeks and weeks in less than 8 minutes.

    ( I know..you can rebuild ProTank heads..just better devices out there now)
     
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    Just bringing up the price of Mountain Vapors - I do gotta say that MV's prices are pretty decent, I don't fully regret this particular purchase.... the CE5 was only like $7, the heads are $4 I believe - but I ended up getting 3 of them for $4 because the owner sent me a couple more for free after one of them was really getting dry very fast. Overall, this particular vendor experience has been one of the rather pleasing ones, I have gotten a product I can say works better than many - it's just, I'm not sure if it's the hemp, or just a design flaw, but this device is indeed still quite prone to dry hits that never really go away until you switch juices or wash the head.

    However, the truth is, if this was the very first device I ever bought, I would have still been trying out Protanks and Aspires and everything because the vape just isn't that pleasing. I've been able to test with it and at least try to get in the pattern of vaping as opposed to smoking, but it's just something very off about this device. While the hemp is so less harsh and rancid upon dry hits than silica, the general taste of it across the board continues to have a wicky taste, and I'm still getting a lot of what seems like dust particles in my vapor - I can feel it when I swallow and vape - and this concerns me too.

    And what really confuses me is that on the devices that allow it, I really have done everything possible to manipulate the experience of the vape - on devices like the Aspire, Protank, ect ect, I've used air-flow controllers, I've tried them at voltages high and low, I've used ohm ranges across the board, I've tried heavy inhales and soft inhales, I've tried removing flavor wicks, I've tried dripping juice inside the heads, I've tried screwing my tanks together tighter and looser, I've tried screwing the tank onto the battery tighter and looser - just everything you could imagine without rebuilding the head, I've tried it to my best ability. Nothing ever seems to get rid of a dry or burnt taste in the majority of the devices I've used.

    That's good advice though about how a lower temperature could cause caramelization on the coils - I do notice that my coils turn dark very, very, very quickly, like instantly, and this may be what's going on, as I always start at 3.3V's no matter what, and I always tend to use a 2.5-ish coil. I'll notice that the first hit always tastes clean as pie, just lovely, and then second hit, blegh. I just don't know which voltage I should really start at other than 3.3V's that would also avoid just burning up the head.

    But anyway, back to the RBA's, so much information to take in, but I am ready to look over each thing and decide what I really want to start out with. I'm just so ready to experience a tasty, smooth vape that doesn't taste a little contaminated by the wick or something else. I finally want to get to a day where I can sit in my house and simply vape and have it be something I enjoy to the point I don't think about cigarettes, and have it be something that tastes good enough that I know my friends would like it - hey, we all want to showcase our hobbies. It was like that back in the day when Blu disposables still worked right and tasted like buttered popcorn, I'd buy one and not touch a cigarette for hours, they were so smooth and tasty. It could be the Johnson's Creek changed up their juice formula, they had a big problem with that once, but I bought a Blu disposable last week, and for the very first time, it tasted burnt right out of the box - and I've bought dozens of them. Sad, sad circumstances in the vaping world - it's all like how when they started putting the fire safe chemical into cigarettes, the day they did that, I noticed that they tasted like rat poison to me. I didn't even know what happened, I had to go online and look and see if anyone else was noticing that cigarettes changed, and I learned about it. I just keep wondering if there's some sort of change in the juices or wicks or whatever that may be giving me a repeated problem.

    Only one real way to find out though - building my own coil.

    P.S. One thing that's also giving me a personal battle is that I just tried Malboro's Next, their version of the "Camel Crush", and I kid you not, the menthol bead in this particular line tastes like a York Peppermint Patty. It tastes just like the Chocolate Mint juice that tends to wick pretty well in my devices. I mean, the tastes are identical, and especially with the hemp wick I'm using now giving off some wicky flavors, it's almost an exact replica of this particular cigarette with the exception of the throat hit. It's uncanny. It's not a good thing though because I still think cigarettes are nasty and I really dislike smoke or vapor that tastes dirty by any extent. The vapor has to taste better than a cigarette or else I loose in the battle!
     
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    Just to point out, one of the things that signifies a truly clean vape to my senses is a vape that, to my nose and tongue, has moisture, tastes cool and clean, and actually reminds me of those vapor fountains that you see in nature shops, or maybe the vapor from a Vicks machine. I don't mean menthol flavoring or just an overwhelming coolness, but simply a vapor that, to the best I can describe, tastes very velvety, smooth, and moist - nothing dryish, hashy, or hot.

    One of the reasons I really value this is because when I experience this soothing type of vapor, I always notice that the flavor is the absolute best - it always seems least contaminated by a dryish taste of a wick material, or doesn't taste so much like the juice is cooking rather than just calmly vaporizing. Another reason is that if the vapor does taste and feel clean, then I trust it much better that other types of particles aren't finding their way into my vapor.

    As of right now, I'm vaping the Smokin' Crow by Mountain Vapors, with a hemp wick and %100VG juice, and judging the flavor profile of the juice that's working the best, I'd say there's a 25% clean undertone, as though 1/4th of the vapor this device is putting out indeed tastes very cool, smoothing, and clean, but that the other %75 of the vapor in the hit seems to taste and feel slightly dryer and warmer - not dry enough to constitute a dry hit, but just a quite a bit too dry and stale for my preference. It seems as though, even in one single hit, that a drier hit and a cooler hit are mixing together (it's not a dual coil device though...)

    I'm vaping at 3.3V's and the coil is 2.4ohms, the only option they have, with %0 nic %100VG/Distilled Water juice.

    What do you guys usually experience? Is your vapor production very cool, full, and smooth, or is it usually a bit more smoke-like and simply drier than what classic PG "water vapor" from a vapor machine tends to be? Which type do you prefer? And are there any recommendations for certain devices or techniques if I do want this cool, smooth experience?



    Lately I've been vaping Safari Mellon Dew from Star Buzz, on a Chimbus drip atty running @ .6 ohms dual coil with cotton wick, mechanical mod with no kick, and it's absolutely the best. Taste like a chilled Honey Dew mellon on a hot summer day.
     

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    ^I'm glad to hear that users get a soothing experience on even an ohm such as 0.6. It seems to prove that it really is down to how well the wick and coil is able to suck up juice and keep saturated. You see so much hubbub about not using 1.8ohms and such, when it's probably more down to simply that pre-built heads seem to wick awfully and can't handle anything too hot. Just inspecting pre-built heads after a few vapes, the wick will be damp, but there is never any amount of juice "sitting" on the wick, and I would suspect that for a wick and coil to work properly, that juice should practically be overflowing on the coils themselves, enough juice for the coil to vaporize it for a few seconds and still not be hot enough or dry enough to singe the wick. It also explains why all my first hits taste good after letting the device sit for hours, but 2 or 3 hits later, it turns bad - it would seem that these wicks and coils just can't soak up enough juice in the span of say, a few minutes or less.

    That's probably why the flavor wick on a Protank exists, to really keep that coil nice and wet, but with that flavor wick being silica, it sort of defeats the purpose - silica really doesn't cause liquid to travel very fast. One thing I may do with my Protank before completely giving up the gun is trying to use cotton as a flavor wick. If it can really cause the juice pretty much instantly flow to the wick while vaporizing, it may end up having some luck...
     

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    the other part of the equation is airflow and chamber design. on many rebuildables there is a lot of thought given to this aspect and how it affects the vapor.

    even if people are rebuilding them disposable devices are just that, they are made to last a couple weeks at best and hit the trash. the only thought of the manufacturers is to keep you buying product, they are not going to take the time to make sure that 4 dollar device is the last one you buy, it works? good you will keep buying them, if not? hey we have revision 3.2.1 coming next week.
     

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    ^I'm glad to hear that users get a soothing experience on even an ohm such as 0.6. It seems to prove that it really is down to how well the wick and coil is able to suck up juice and keep saturated. You see so much hubbub about not using 1.8ohms and such, when it's probably more down to simply that pre-built heads seem to wick awfully and can't handle anything too hot. Just inspecting pre-built heads after a few vapes, the wick will be damp, but there is never any amount of juice "sitting" on the wick, and I would suspect that for a wick and coil to work properly, that juice should practically be overflowing on the coils themselves, enough juice for the coil to vaporize it for a few seconds and still not be hot enough or dry enough to singe the wick. It also explains why all my first hits taste good after letting the device sit for hours, but 2 or 3 hits later, it turns bad - it would seem that these wicks and coils just can't soak up enough juice in the span of say, a few minutes or less.

    That's probably why the flavor wick on a Protank exists, to really keep that coil nice and wet, but with that flavor wick being silica, it sort of defeats the purpose - silica really doesn't cause liquid to travel very fast. One thing I may do with my Protank before completely giving up the gun is trying to use cotton as a flavor wick. If it can really cause the juice pretty much instantly flow to the wick while vaporizing, it may end up having some luck...



    Protanks in my experience, are sensitive to too high VG level. I can't run any more than 50% VG without getting dry hits or a burned taste after 3 or 4 hits. On the other side, high PG irritates my throat too much but wicks perfectly fine no matter how much I use it. VG is just too viscous to wick efficiently at high concentrations.

    I guess that's why I prefer to drip. It lets me control the fluid delivery with maximum flavor density.


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