The Enjoyment of Flavor.

Status
Not open for further replies.

GoodNews!

Moved On
Oct 25, 2013
577
136
Vaping, USA
I want to write this post as a little discussion about the magic that flavor and scent have in vaping, and how it personally effects me and my experience.

On this forum, people have misunderstood me for a flavor perfectionist or someone who wouldn't be satisfied until I taste 14 layers to my juices. This is far, far from true. I have not once tasted any flavor (on a properly working device) that I have not liked - I've tried probably about 60 flavors in this journey so far, and when the vapor and flavors are vaporizing as intended by the maker of the juice and the maker of the atty (a very clear difference from a bad atty), I have not tasted one that put me off. Each of them, from off-brands, to on-brands, to tobaccos, to fruits, to oddities, to deserts, to NET's, to herbal flavors, when I've tested the juices on properly functioning atomizers (which, I refuse to write off a juice until I accomplish this factor, and I always have accomplished it or managed to experience it), I have enjoyed each and every juice I have ever tasted. And trust me, I've had some cheap brands. You can't get any cheaper than free, locally made DIY juice named after your own hometown that doesn't have even half a million people in it.

For me, and flavor, my sense of taste and smell is so emotional, so accurate, and so chemically connected to my brain that every juice I've ever had unlocks a memory, unlocks an emotion, unlocks a preference, or even unlocks a gag reflex (concerning the tasty of dry or burnt atties, which remind me of various combusted materials on construction sites.) The first and foremost requirement, for me, is an entirely clean tasting vapor. I simply can't make do without it. The absolute most I've ever been able to "adjust" to a slight taste that the atty puts off is that slight cardboard taste with some polyfil atties, which reminds me of the taste of dry skin, and that actually has a positive emotional factor to me, but things like dry silica, or burnt rubber, or anything like that, I can't tolerate it, too bad of tastes. Can't tolerate even tinges of it.

But when it comes to juice, even the most simplest of juice seems to trigger such impacting memories for me, and seems to give me such enjoyment. When it comes out of a clean, functioning atty. I've gotten such deep and rich flavors out of just regular CE4's, the completely disposable kind, that in my opinion would make even the most advanced of dripper or modder stop and go "Wow, this is actually pretty good." - that experience has been rare on such devices, but I have achieved it or experienced it. And that full, deep flavor experience, not the silica-contaminanted tastes or the wispy, extremely light and weak, cotton-candy like flavors, is what pulls me back into vaping and keeps me on the path.

For me, and simply tasting a full, deep flavor (not nessicarily complex, authentic, or gourmet, but simply full and deep), is what keeps me in my chair, having adventures in my head that give me chemical and emotional enjoyment that nicotine does not. I could buy something as, well, bland and nasty as Halo's tobacco flavors, and as long as the atty is running right, I can sit there and enjoy it. My brain will find the positives. I've tested quite a few of Halo's tobaccos and while they're probably the "worst" of the juices I've ever had, they're not bad when you get them on a good atty. They really do evoke tinges of various cigarettes out there, and even that in itself is enough for me to appreciate the goal and experience. I, by far, do not need a complex, layered, gourmet flavor to my juice - I simply need the atty to vaporize the flavorings equilaterally and at the right temperature for the juice, which, a deep flavor is the technical sign that it's doing this correctly and as intended.

And really, with people fighting to keep to vaping, I think this is a factor that people often overlook. There's so many people chasing throat hit and nicotine that they may overlook the emotion positives of really searching out the flavor in vapor, and ensuring they get a flavor hit as opposed to simply a throat hit. The emotional positives of taste and smell are so important in a positive emotional experience, and in the end, addiction needs to be replaced with positive emotional experiences to totally fade away.

But really, finding simply an atty that either tastes clean or delivers a pretty deep flavored vape is been my absolute curse in the vaping world, I simply can't find it consistantly. At the very best, I'll buy 10 coils and one of them will give the effect needed for proper flavor - the others will give a sugary, cotton-candy version of the juice, or taste dry, or taste mechanical, or acidic. I just can't deal with that in my vape, and hey, maybe that makes me either picky or just very experienced to what a truly working atomizer is supposed to vape like. But that's been the curse. I don't hate on juices, I hate on the device. I'm sure there'll come a day where I buy a faulty juice or taste some Chinese mess, but luckily, I've tested out my juices to the point that I actually have a lot of trust that US juice makers know what they're doing and that bad flavors can be down to the atty involved.

I see a lot of people on this forum who will say "Yeah, I've tried this juice on 10 different atomizers and it tastes like a sock or body odor or .... or something on each one." Trust me, I have too, and even juices that I could have swore were faulty ended up being heaven on a proper atty. If you have a juice that you've written off, it really could be a faulty juice, but I actually would advise that it's probably more that your particular set of atties or builds just handle your other juices better, that there are details in your atty or build that still restrict an enjoyment for the particular bad juice. Juices can plain taste like a wet sock or someone's rear end when the atomizer is not vaporizing it entirely correctly. Save your juices and search out to see what can make them shine, at least for your wallet's worth!
 
Last edited:

Silver1

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Nov 11, 2013
105
371
Johannesburg, South Africa
Hi Goodnews

Couldnt agree more and loved your post.

For me, the thing that sets vaping apart from smoking is the flavour journey. Discovering what type of flavours you like and then homing in on the vendors that make the best ones to your taste.

I smoked Rothmans Red for about 16 years without much thought to the flavour. I tried a few other brands, but hardly appreciated the difference in taste.

Now, been vaping for just about 2 months and ive tried about 30 or so flavours. Am absolutely loving it. I love loading up a new flavour and not knowing how its going to taste. Its exciting.

So far i have discovered the following about my flavour preferences
- have not found a good tobacco type flavour that i like.
- i prefer the sweet n sour flavours, with more sour. (Apple, Lemon, Litchi)
- am really enjoying coffee flavours. Have tried a few. Prefer ones that are more coffee - not sweet or creamy
- strangely although i am quite a sweet tooth, i dont like very sweet juices.

Long may the journey continue.
 
People differ. Personally, I'm not one to appreciate multi-layer flavors all that much, I want something I can vape all day without getting sick of. Mints and menthols fit the bill for me, and I warm my menthol with a bit of cinnamon and a dash of chocolate flavor to keep it from being too cold and sharp.

My palate is the same in cooking. I'll choose a simple meal over one that's overly complicated or overly sauced any day. My favorite dish is so mind-numbingly simple it's laughable--and contains four ingredients.
 

Myrany

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Apr 14, 2013
8,477
44,353
Louisiana
SIlver 1 if you liske sweetish sour flavors you need to try Cucumber Mojito from Mt Baker Vapor. I bought it on a lark and just LOVE this stuff. A Lime base with a hint of mint and the cucumber just smoothes it all out to a creamy goodness.

Goodnews, It seems to me like you are a perfect candidate to start mixing your own juices. Infinite flavor possibilities.
 

PLANofMAN

Signature Guru
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Dec 9, 2012
4,147
8,070
44
Woodburn, OR
Good News! you need to start weaning yourself away from CE4's and 5's and eGo's and upgrade to something a little better. Just about every time you post, I notice you mention going through a dozen attys to find the one that tastes perfect. You need to get something that has a screen, so you can see how many volts/watts you are pushing to your atty.

Just my :2c:
 

TheJakeBailey

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Sep 15, 2013
1,275
2,596
Austin,TX, USA
Good News! you need to start weaning yourself away from CE4's and 5's and eGo's and upgrade to something a little better. Just about every time you post, I notice you mention going through a dozen attys to find the one that tastes perfect. You need to get something that has a screen, so you can see how many volts/watts you are pushing to your atty.

Just my :2c:

This times 100. ( can't believe it hasn't been suggested before!)

I kid, I kid. If its repeated enough times, maybe it will happen.
 

TheJakeBailey

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Sep 15, 2013
1,275
2,596
Austin,TX, USA
I see a lot of people on this forum who will say "Yeah, I've tried this juice on 10 different atomizers and it tastes like a sock or body odor or .... or something on each one." Trust me, I have too, and even juices that I could have swore were faulty ended up being heaven on a proper atty. If you have a juice that you've written off, it really could be a faulty juice, but I actually would advise that it's probably more that your particular set of atties or builds just handle your other juices better, that there are details in your atty or build that still restrict an enjoyment for the particular bad juice. Juices can plain taste like a wet sock or someone's rear end when the atomizer is not vaporizing it entirely correctly. Save your juices and search out to see what can make them shine, at least for your wallet's worth!

And sometimes, just sometimes, a bad flavor is just a bad flavor. Bad does not mean "faulty," it just means that I didn't like it as well as I thought I did/would. most of us have that drawer at home. Not everything can be fixed by a different topper. (But don't let that discourage you from actually getting a different topper/battery, which is enthusiastically encouraged by the masses.)
 

Thrasher

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 28, 2012
11,176
13,742
Madeira beach, Fla
sigh...................


ever think there is 1000 different juices because we cant all agree they all taste good?

one thing overlooked. you say at times in some posts your still smoking, this makes it hard to enjoy any juice as your taste buds cannot adjust to vaping. and once they do adjust what you think tastes like socks today can become your favorite vape tomorrow, happens all the time so dont say it cant happen.

after all this i think 1/2 your problem is maybe a slight vapors tongue issue. which will screw ith your perception of flavor all day long, and again will not go away untill you just vape through it.

ood News, I have read a few of your posts but the ones I have read do not mention what equipment you are using. I may be opening a can of worms here but... What exactly are you using? What bettery, what tank/s or cartos... just what?

clearos, little crappy 1 dollar ce style clearos lol, he refuses to move up to better devices and cant figure out why the vape is inconsistent.
 
Last edited:

Ld3441

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Sep 29, 2013
736
715
Florida, USA
Juice is something that I have had a hard time finding. I have tried many and found some that were ok but nothing that I just loved. This is why I started DIY and OMG what a difference! I am now in juice heaven!

I think there is such a variety of juices and tastes that this is something nobody will ever agree on. While I love the cinnamon roll I make, I don't like the premade ones. Too overpowering for my tastes but many love it. Some things I like overpowering others do not. Just the way it is.
 

TheJakeBailey

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Sep 15, 2013
1,275
2,596
Austin,TX, USA
Good News, I have read a few of your posts but the ones I have read do not mention what equipment you are using. I may be opening a can of worms here but... What exactly are you using? What bettery, what tank/s or cartos... just what?

Perfectly working (scientifically proven) Vision spinner. Not sure what mah. Various toppers, but the most referenced are ce4/ce5, pro tank,aspire, arro, I clear 30, and recently a Cisco. All except the Cisco have produced nothing but burnt socks and .... cheek flavor. The Cisco worked for awhile, then not so much.

Now you are pretty much up to date on about 200000 words of posting. Lol. Here's to hoping you have a suggestion for him that hasn't come up yet! ;)
 

Lolli

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Nov 21, 2013
181
78
Pennsylvania
Perfectly working (scientifically proven) Vision spinner. Not sure what mah. Various toppers, but the most referenced are ce4/ce5, pro tank,aspire, arro, I clear 30, and recently a Cisco. All except the Cisco have produced nothing but burnt socks and .... cheek flavor. The Cisco worked for awhile, then not so much.

Now you are pretty much up to date on about 200000 words of posting. Lol. Here's to hoping you have a suggestion for him that hasn't come up yet! ;)

As helpful as everyone seems to be on this forum, I'm certain the best suggestions have already been presented. But dammit man, surely one of those toppers on a spinner should have worked well enough. Seems to be either the worst case of vapors tongue or (I'm not a meanie I swear)... user error?
 

TheJakeBailey

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Sep 15, 2013
1,275
2,596
Austin,TX, USA
As helpful as everyone seems to be on this forum, I'm certain the best suggestions have already been presented. But dammit man, surely one of those toppers on a spinner should have worked well enough. Seems to be either the worst case of vapors tongue or (I'm not a meanie I swear)... user error?

You would surely think so huh! And trust me, you are FAR from a meanie! Happy Holidays! ;)
 

Silver1

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Nov 11, 2013
105
371
Johannesburg, South Africa
SIlver 1 if you liske sweetish sour flavors you need to try Cucumber Mojito from Mt Baker Vapor. I bought it on a lark and just LOVE this stuff. A Lime base with a hint of mint and the cucumber just smoothes it all out to a creamy goodness.

Goodnews, It seems to me like you are a perfect candidate to start mixing your own juices. Infinite flavor possibilities.

Many thanks for the suggestion Myrany. I have heard and read quite a lot about Mt Bakers. Will make a note of that, thanks. Only problem is that Mt Bakers is not available easily here in South Africa, if at all. My strategy is first to go through most of the easily available ones. So far I'm about half way through I think. Have only found 3 juices that I really like (A coffee from Synfonya and two from from a local juice vendor Vapour Mountain - Litchi and Peach&Rooibos). I have found about 5 others that I quite like and can vape but they are not "special". My plan is to go through more of the locally available ones and then to start with international orders.

I feel that if I can find ones available locally, it will be easier and mostly cheaper to sustain ;-)

That said, the local vaping scene is picking up and more juices are finding their way here by the week...
 
Last edited:

Myrany

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Apr 14, 2013
8,477
44,353
Louisiana
Many thanks for the suggestion Myrany. I have heard and read quite a lot about Mt Bakers. Will make a note of that, thanks. Only problem is that Mt Bakers is not available easily here in South Africa, if at all. My strategy is first to go through most of the easily available ones. So far I'm about half way through I think. Have only found 3 juices that I really like (A coffee from Synfonya and two from from a local juice vendor Vapour Mountain - Litchi and Peach&Rooibos). I have found about 5 others that I quite like and can vape but they are not "special". My plan is to go through more of the locally available ones and then to start with international orders.

I feel that if I can find ones available locally, it will be easier and mostly cheaper to sustain ;-)

That said, the local vaping scene is picking up and more juices are finding their way here by the week...

OOOPs sorry. I have a bad habit of not even looking at where someone is from. I just see vaping friends and try to help.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread